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DOJ Advises Gibson Guitar to Export Labor to Madagascar
Red State ^ | Wednesday, August 31st at 11:16PM EDT | Ben Howe

Posted on 09/01/2011 12:02:29 AM PDT by Cymbaline

The Gibson Guitar saga has taken a sinister turn.

It seems that the Department of Justice wasn’t satisfied with merely raiding the law abiding factories of Gibson Guitar with armed agents, shutting down their operation costing them millions, and leaving the American company in the dark as to how to proceed without going out of business.

Now, according to CEO Henry Juszkiewicz, agents of the United States government are bluntly informing them that they’d be better off shipping their manufacturing labor overseas.

(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: corruption; crushfedgov; democrats; doj; doj4foreigners; dojisajoke; dojvsamerica; dojvsamericans; ebony; fedgov; fedzilla; gibson; gibsonguitars; govtabuse; holder; juszkiewicz; lping; madagascar; obama; rapeofliberty; rarewoods; tyranny; unions
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So now we've gone from railing against companies exporting jobs overseas, to REQUIRING companies to export jobs overseas?
1 posted on 09/01/2011 12:02:38 AM PDT by Cymbaline
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2 posted on 09/01/2011 12:06:57 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Cymbaline
agents of the United States government are bluntly informing them that they’d be better off shipping their manufacturing labor overseas.

That's good it didn't happen on this property. Because 'sod off' is just an introductory phrase to bullshit like that.

/johnny

3 posted on 09/01/2011 12:10:41 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Cymbaline

Looks like his job is to put US citizens out of their jobs!


4 posted on 09/01/2011 12:19:03 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Cymbaline

Our government no longer defends working citizens or American businesses.


5 posted on 09/01/2011 12:20:16 AM PDT by Faith
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To: Cymbaline

Perhaps they don’t employee enough of “ Holder’s people.”


6 posted on 09/01/2011 12:20:29 AM PDT by tal hajus ("Thank you sir. May I have another?" GOP)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Building a Boeing aircraft plant in S. Carolina = Bad. Moving Gibson to Madagascar = Good.


7 posted on 09/01/2011 12:22:14 AM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Cymbaline

Sorry, Comrades - you didn’t support Obama in his election bid; off to the gulag with you.

Or would you like to make a big, fat “contribution” to the Democrat Party coffers?


8 posted on 09/01/2011 12:22:19 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Cymbaline

This is beyond tyranny. It is malignant evil.

IMO, the low-level bureaucrats that enforce this crap are just as guilty as the higher-ups who foist these regulations off on us.

If only a way could be found to dissuade people from collaborating with these agencies. Slums have “no go” areas; why shouldn’t productive companies?


9 posted on 09/01/2011 12:22:57 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: tal hajus

If “Holder’s People” who work at Gibson were large DNC donors, things would be different.


10 posted on 09/01/2011 12:24:01 AM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Cymbaline

bookmark bump!


11 posted on 09/01/2011 12:25:58 AM PDT by nralife (www.fireholder.com)
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To: Cymbaline

This story should play well with the swing voters Obummer desperately needs to win reelection. One wonders if he really does want to get reelected or just cause as much damage as he can on his way out of the door? Between this and the Jobs speech debacle one does wonder.


12 posted on 09/01/2011 12:26:31 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Cymbaline
I read the comments on the site... Someone suggests one of the candidates show up at the deabte with a Gibson Guitar and tell this story.

Please if anyone on FR has any connections with any campaigns use this idea. Get a Gibson Guitar (I suggest a Gold Top Les Paul because it is iconic!) and get in front of a Fox News Camera and get this story out there!

13 posted on 09/01/2011 12:28:00 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Cymbaline

Madagascar is where Heinrich Himmler originally proposed sending the jews.


14 posted on 09/01/2011 12:28:14 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Cymbaline

Does anyone know, what’s so special about the ebony Gibson is using? Lots of guitar companies use ebony, so what’s special about Gibson?


15 posted on 09/01/2011 12:28:59 AM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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"Does anyone know, what’s so special about the ebony Gibson is using? Lots of guitar companies use ebony, so what’s special about Gibson?"

Most of the other Guitar Companies contribute to Democrat Campaigns. Gibson doesn't as much.

16 posted on 09/01/2011 12:31:02 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Cymbaline

WTF??? My tagline is getting more relevant with each passing day!


17 posted on 09/01/2011 12:32:25 AM PDT by Ronin (Obamanation has replaced Bizarroworld as the most twisted place in the universe.)
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To: Cymbaline

Only if those jobs involve sanding the surfaces of Indian rosewood.

Our government is collectively insane.


18 posted on 09/01/2011 12:34:31 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Cymbaline
We need to see an actual photostatic copy of the Federal document stating this.

Then plaster it all over the internet and perhaps get a GOP candidate to make this another Obama anti-American campaign issue with the voters.

19 posted on 09/01/2011 12:40:48 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Cymbaline

Gibson donates to the wrong party.


20 posted on 09/01/2011 12:42:52 AM PDT by oyez ( America is being pimped.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
I read the comments on the site... Someone suggests one of the candidates show up at the deabte with a Gibson Guitar and tell this story. Please if anyone on FR has any connections with any campaigns use this idea. Get a Gibson Guitar (I suggest a Gold Top Les Paul because it is iconic!) and get in front of a Fox News Camera and get this story out there!

I agree except unless that person holding the guitar also has an actual copy of the Federal document suggesting the move to Madagascar, the MSM will discount the veracity of the story.

21 posted on 09/01/2011 12:43:34 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Most of the other Guitar Companies contribute to Democrat Campaigns. Gibson doesn't as much.

So Fender, Martin, Taylor, Gretsch, Carvin, Ibanez, Jackson, Washburn, etc all are Democrat donors?

22 posted on 09/01/2011 12:48:31 AM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Cymbaline

This whole Gibson story is DISASTER for Obama. Much of his ‘08 support was from old white hippies who revere Gibson. Word has gotten around Guitar World. Doubt they’ll vote for him again.


23 posted on 09/01/2011 12:48:48 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Cymbaline

24 posted on 09/01/2011 12:50:19 AM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Cymbaline

Ebony comes from several places, Madagascar is one
Gabon is another the same with rose wood.
Long ago when I was apprentice to an instrument maker
there were various restrictions, so I suppose it’s
the same today. We used to go to flea markets looking
for curios made of ebony to cut up for nuts bridges etc.
My big dulcimore which unhappily was stolen some
years ago had Brazilian Rosewood finger board with
ebony inlays and mother of pearl doves, a hand carved
man in the moon on the neck and other work that made it
one of a kind. Sigh.


25 posted on 09/01/2011 12:52:41 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Cymbaline

The issue is not with ebony, it’s with Indian rosewood, which the indians prefer to handwork there. Problem is the work does not meet Gibson’s standards, so additional finishing work is needed at the Gibson factory.

According the the DOJ, this violates some technicality or other, and explains why the DOJ suggests doing the work outside the US where this looney law does not apply.

This is pure insanity and is perfectly illustrative of why this our government needs a thoroughgoing high-pressure hosedown.


26 posted on 09/01/2011 12:57:02 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Cymbaline

That’s great.

I was thinking Gibson should diversify and get into the gun manufacturing business, using domestic steel of course.


27 posted on 09/01/2011 12:59:29 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: Cymbaline
Also see Red State's article: Obama and Holder Drop a Bomb on Jobs and Competition..

Excerpt:

So much going on suddenly this week.

Barack Obama and Eric Holder’s DoJ has decided to come after AT&T for its plans to merge with T-Mobile, possibly doing the bidding of donors while hindering jobs growth in America as well as nationwide 4G wireless Internet competition...

So Holder wants to drive Gibson manufacturing out of the US, and to keep T-Mobile in German hands, and prevent AT&T from bringing jobs back to America. Do I have that right?..

Back in California, Amazon offered Democrats a compromise that included the possibility of thousands of jobs in this state. I am informed the Democrats have rejected the offer. I hope now Amazon realizes the only option is millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute. The unconstitutional Internet sales tax/Amazon Tax must not be paid.

28 posted on 09/01/2011 1:03:39 AM PDT by kara2008 (Palin 2012)
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To: Cymbaline

The DOJ is now filled with traitirs!


29 posted on 09/01/2011 1:17:11 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Cymbaline
Michelle Obama Gives French First Lady a Gibson Guitar (made from "a “choice piece of Indian rosewood.”)...

So did Michelle give Carla Bruni-Sarkozy the Gibson guitar before the first raid/$500K wood confiscation or after it when Obama's DOJ was planning the second armed raid and Indian Rosewood confiscation? Hmmmmm? This is just sick.

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30 posted on 09/01/2011 1:28:48 AM PDT by kara2008 (Palin 2012)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Where the hell is the GOP on this? McCain probably loves it but what about the conservatives.

Seems ready-made for GOP campaign ads.


31 posted on 09/01/2011 2:23:23 AM PDT by LyinLibs (All moslems are somewhere on the killing-you spectrum)
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To: Cymbaline

BuMp.


32 posted on 09/01/2011 2:45:44 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: Cymbaline

I’m a Strat’ guy, but my next axe may have to be a Les Paul. Better start working out though, they weigh a ton!


33 posted on 09/01/2011 3:01:49 AM PDT by j_tull (I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.)
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To: Cymbaline

Hussein wants businesses to outsource.


34 posted on 09/01/2011 3:06:33 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Cymbaline

Made in Madagascar? Might as well be Made in China, no one would pay prices like for Gibson Made in USA. I suggest a special run of ‘Government Seizure’ guitars, and Tennessee Governor start looking out for jobs in his state.


35 posted on 09/01/2011 3:25:03 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: j_tull
Try an SG if weight is a problem.

Plenty o sustain and crunch.


Don't annoy us further.
We have our work to do

Just think about the average. What use have they for you?

Forget about your silly whim.
It doesn't fit the plan.


36 posted on 09/01/2011 3:28:25 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: dsc

“IMO, the low-level bureaucrats that enforce this crap are just as guilty as the higher-ups who foist these regulations off on us.”

Nuremberg precedent.


37 posted on 09/01/2011 3:29:32 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Disgusted with the establishment GOP and their enablers.)
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To: j_tull

“I’m a Strat’ guy, but my next axe may have to be a Les Paul. Better start working out though, they weigh a ton!”

I used to have a custom made strat clone with a Mahogany body. It did weigh a ton.


38 posted on 09/01/2011 3:32:18 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Disgusted with the establishment GOP and their enablers.)
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To: j_tull

I was a Les Paul guy my whole life, but a just play for myself as a hobby.

I have kept a second Strat around at times, just for something different to play I started committing to practicing more recently, and found myself favoring the comfort and versatility of the Strat much I just sold my Les Paul Custom.

They are/were Squier and Epiphone imports, so collector value is not my concern. The smaller necks of the imports fit my hand far better.


39 posted on 09/01/2011 3:33:07 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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Why isn’t boehner screaming about this!


40 posted on 09/01/2011 3:39:27 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: Cymbaline
It's now clear that the "Justice" Department will attack any non-Union businesses and try to destroy them. Likewise, where insufficient Minority employment exists, you can expect FORCED HIRING of un-skilled, un-qualified, un-economicly-viable Obama-worshippers to be implemented.

This is what America has become....join The Party, or else.

Selective enforcement of only PARTS of the Law, to gain votes/favor with Donors and/or the voterbase of the "Progressives".

GET WHITEY!

41 posted on 09/01/2011 3:59:43 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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DOJ Advises Gibson Guitar to Export Labor to Madagascar
Okay. Come on. Stop it. This is from The Onion, right?

'series' Gibson needs to cut a TV Commercial NOW and run it before and after Barry's 'Jobs Speech' (snicker). That'd boost Obama approval rating's to an all time .. LOW.

[Don't worry Barry when you hit ZERO the only way is up.]

42 posted on 09/01/2011 4:00:59 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Condor51

Send Gibson’s business (jobs) overseas? Apparently Gibson must not be a union shop


43 posted on 09/01/2011 4:03:34 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Cymbaline

Tyrant’s AG (Weaponizer of Hezbollah):
HE is your King. He rules America.
All companies, and people, especially whites,
must pay the DNC or now die"

44 posted on 09/01/2011 4:07:25 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Cymbaline

Gibson uses mahogany and rosewood from India. They have used this wood (legal) for over 17 years. There was another raid in 2009 (they have yet to get the confiscated wood products back.)
Competitor C F Martin & Co uses the same wood but Chris Martin is a donor to the democratic party, whereas Gibson has supported republicans. The Martin Co has had no action taken against them.
The Gibson company has taken precautions to make sure the wood is legal and approved by both governments.


45 posted on 09/01/2011 4:07:51 AM PDT by PastorJimCM (truth matters)
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To: dsc

Deserves repeating:

“This is beyond tyranny. It is malignant evil.”


46 posted on 09/01/2011 4:12:38 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Cymbaline
*** Does anyone know, what’s so special about the ebony Gibson is using? Lots of guitar companies use ebony, so what’s special about Gibson? ***

Well you have some answers but here's how it breaks down to me.

First it's not just the Ebony, but most of the 'exotic' woods Gibson uses on their top line guitars. And per 'international agreements' and STOO-PID US Eco-Nazi 'laws', there's 'Good Exotic Wood' (legal) and 'Bad Exotic Wood' (illegal). And to use 'the 'bad exotic wood' you need gobs of paperwork proving that you had it before all the laws and regs went into effect.

In short, it's kind of like 'Blood Diamonds'. There's nothing wrong with them except the source they came from and in what year. Also that Gibson Guitar is getting the shaft from Barry's Gestapo, 'just for kicks'.

Note: I don't understand the whole 'Blood Diamond' baloney either. A 4 Caret Diamond is a 4 Caret Diamond. No matter from where in Africa it came from.

47 posted on 09/01/2011 4:23:28 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Cymbaline

Maybe this is what Obama’s “jobs speech” is going to be about.


48 posted on 09/01/2011 4:26:28 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Condor51

regarding the why..... it is the result of tight sphinctered women who have been taught since birth they need to be advocates and make a difference. They are wood advocates.


49 posted on 09/01/2011 4:28:05 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: Jack Hammer

From what I heard on the radio yesterday, their competition, Martin guitars, are owned by a democrap supporter and uses the same woods and has had no problems from the government like the pub supporting Gibson company does. No politics going on here, no sir.


50 posted on 09/01/2011 4:34:39 AM PDT by rightly_dividing (1st Cor. 15:1-4)
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