Perry tells NH no to border fence

Yahoo ^ | 9/3/11 | Steve Peoples - ap

[NormsRevenge]

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry says he opposes a fence along the U.S. border with Mexico.

Speaking to hundreds of New Hampshire voters at a private reception Saturday afternoon, the Texas governor says a fence would be ineffective and take too long to build.

The comments, which produced one angry shout, expose a rift with some conservative voters over Perry's immigration record. Tea party activists in Texas have been particularly upset by his steady opposition to the fence. He also signed a law giving illegal immigrants in-state tuition for Texas universities.

[trisham]

Thanks, wagglebee.

[Diogenesis]

Exactly. PERRYCARE has gone national.

ROMNEYCARE has gone national.

ROMNEYMARRIAGE has gone national.

RINOs.

[trisham]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2773201/posts?page=350#350

[Winstons Julia]

With all due respect, I don’t see a lot of “Gardasil will kill you” there.
AFAIK Perry says it was a mistake to mandate it, but California is considering it because the medical community is saying that the benefits may outweigh the risks.

I believe, though, that it shouldn’t be mandated.

[wagglebee]

With all due respect, I don’t see a lot of “Gardasil will kill you” there.

Then what about the girls who DIED because of it?

AFAIK Perry says it was a mistake to mandate it,

He has acknowledged a lot of mistakes, how many more should we expect?

but California is considering it because the medical community is saying that the benefits may outweigh the risks.

Really? You think Perry is somehow validated because the leftists in California agree?

I believe, though, that it shouldn’t be mandated.

But Perry DID mandate it.

[lonestar]

There was no "no man's land" on any of the border areas between Western Europe and the East Bloc.

I was walking in a park. There were barriers and no people around. My friend and I climbed unter the barriers and continued our walk through the park.

All of a sudden we heard yelling nad saw a guard in an elevated guard house yelling at us.

It was near Brandenburg Gate.

I got to West Berlin by first going to East Berlin by train from Yugoslavia. I entered West Berlin through Checkpoint Charlie. I have looked down the BerlinWall from both sides.

I know from experience what I'm talking about...and you obviously don't!

[muawiyah]

YOU WERE ON THE INSIDE OF THE WALL, not the Outside!

So, where did the guard yell at you? At the Brandenburg crossing (where they were constantly shifting the large concrete barricades around all the time to fool folks who might try the "drive a truck through it" trick) or somewhere along the West Side of the Large Fence that had a mine field on the East Side?

That was several hundred miles long and extended from the Baltic to Austria ~ Hungary's border fence with Austria was not removed until May 1989.

I think I told you I was assigned duty ALONG the American sector in West Germany, not the Russian sector of the GDR.

Like I said there were no "NO MAN'S ZONES" ~ just a fence or wall (in Berlin), a clearly identified and fenced in mine field, and on the Freeworld side a chickenwire fence that marked the furthest you wanted to go if you wanted to avoid getting hit with shrapnel should one of the mines explode.

But if you walked in a park where the Berlin Wall ran, and just climbed under barriers, you are quite lucky you weren't shot.

[Winstons Julia]

What about other vaccinations?

[muawiyah]

The California leftwingtards imagine Gardasil will protect them from genital warts ~ but it’s probably too late.

[xzins]

It depends on what you mean by troops, tech, and monitoring.

I do agree, though, that a fence is, BY ITSELF, not an effective strategy. The maginot line proved that.

[muawiyah]

BTW, I am speaking from hundreds of hours of experience and it's pretty obvious you have absolutely no comprehension of how extensive the East Bloc fences and mine fields were. I have photos, memories, and so on. Recently I retraced on Google.com one area where I spent a little longer time than normal. This was in a Salient from West Germany sticking into East Germany. We had a narrow neck of land with a road to get there, but once we were in we were pretty much surrounded by East Germany. They even kept us lit up with infrared at night. You couldn't take a dump without being under observation.

Now, a question for you ~ why would you leave Yugoslavia to go to GDR? That sounds remarkably strange. Those people were crazy.

[Cicero]

What’s is his objection to stimulating the ladder business? Or doesn’t he have any friends or donors in that line of work?

Seriously, there are real problems with Perry. He’s talking like a conservative now on most issues, but so did McCain last fall. Talk means nothing. Just look at his record. If Perry ever got into the White House, he would immediately move back left like all the other insiders.

[rodguy911]

You are not the only one. A lot of us already have and for many other reasons besides the fence.

[SharpRightTurn]

“I get the “it would be ineffective and too expensive” - but without some viable and “better” alternative, then what do we have? Maybe if his option is to much more heavily arm the border patrol, increase its numbers and training, and to supplement with our armed forces - then he has a legitimate view. But what are his alternatives?”

I haven’t heard anyone who supports a border fence who is advocating disbanding the Border Patrol. I suspect most would be in favor of a fence, keeping the current level of the BP, and adding as many more agents as needed.

But what would be the cost (compared to constructing a fence) of federal salaries, benefits, and pensions for enough BP to stop the flow of illegals if there is no fence? Labor costs are always the highest expense of any endeavor. I suspect over a period of years, the labor costs of an adequate number of BP agents to secure the border without a fence would dwarf the cost of a fence.

And whatever the cost of the fence, it would be miniscule compared to various federal boondoggle programs that yield no benefit whatsover.

We need a fence and the overwhelming number of Americans support a fence. It’s a winning issue.

Does Perry oppose it because his Chamber of Commerce buddies have told him to oppose it?

[rodguy911]

We are still in the primaries and we are entitled to our opinions and we are entitled to Sarah Palin who will vote for a fence.

[xzins]

How about build a fence in places where fences make sense depending on terrain, population, etc., and then use a no-man’s land with FLIR technology, monitored and backed up by continuous National Guard patrols and flights.

When we used FLIR in helicopters and tanks, you could see a rabbit crossing the path of a deer. It was amazing stuff.

[babygene]

“We need land mines on the border.”

And snipers...

[o-n-money]

Abortions don’t rape and rob.

[wagglebee]

What about other vaccinations?

Other vaccinations (mumps, measles, chicken pox, polio, etc.) are for diseases which are easily transferred via ORDINARY ACTIVITIES. HPV does not fit into this category.

EVERYONE can avoid getting HPV. NOBODY knows what the long-term consequences of Gardasil are.

Merck lost a ton of money on Vioxx, they needed a home run and Gardasil was it. They spent a fortune lobbying elected officials and Perry fell for it.

[1hedLyte]

This post contains one doctor’s explanation for the EO.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2765204/posts?page=30#30

“... the reason for the Executive Order was to speed up private insurance coverage and to make it easier for parents to exercise their right to opt out”