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Perry tells NH no to border fence
Yahoo ^ | 9/3/11 | Steve Peoples - ap

Posted on 09/03/2011 1:35:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: 9YearLurker

If some of those 18% were skilled enough to do the high-tech work that most jobs now require.

There’s a big gap between available jobs and available workers because we have a large, uneducated, unmotivated underclass.

Not everyone, certainly. Lots of good people out of work right now, because of terrible economic policy.

These are times when a high school diploma, a generic college degree, or basic competency just isn’t enough.


221 posted on 09/03/2011 3:08:37 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: rintense
How you can even defend a governor who kowtows to illegals is beyond me

Sarah Palin had no trouble defending Perry. Is that beyond you? You think he's part of the problem, Sarah Palin said he was part of the solution. I respect Sarah Palin, and trust her judgement over yours.

Now, you brought up McCain. Give us the quote about what she said about McCain and border security. Then we can discuss whether she was wrong. McCain was for amnesty, but is he bad on border security (assuming you are correct, which we won't know until you provide a quote like I did for Perry): Senators Kyl and McCain propose new border security plan

I'm not going to get into defending McCain here, beyond questioning what exact quote from Palin you are insinuating makes her WRONG about McCain on border security.

222 posted on 09/03/2011 3:08:37 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Leaning Right
Please consider this. A border fence is a lasting SYMBOL.

It sure is. Just look at those illegal aliens in the video jumping over Border Fence like jack-rabbits.

It is a symbol of, "Look at what those dumb Gringos spent $3 Billion on? A Climbing Wall for our exercise! Hahahaha!!!!"

If you want to get rid of illegals, start hitting illegal EMPLOYERS hard.

When the heat is on and the jobs dry up, illegals deport themselves.

Illegal aliens are self-deporting from Georgia

223 posted on 09/03/2011 3:09:48 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: Perdogg

When they are finished and before you pay them, you throw them on the Mexico side.


224 posted on 09/03/2011 3:10:55 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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To: rintense

I actually said he was against it for TEXAS. You are the one who said he opposed Arizona’s law, which was false, as you have now acknowledged in another thread where you posted his support for the Arizona law, inexplicably calling it a “flip-flop” even though he said exactly the same thing he has said all along.

I do appreciate though that you took the time to look it up, and find out that Perry actually DID back his AG, not opposed him as you falsely claim here.


225 posted on 09/03/2011 3:11:38 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: okie01
Hmm, the old "We haven't invented wells, pipes and pumps" ploy.

DOES NOT WORK.

We see through that one quite easily. But, tell you what, for all of you who just gotta take your cows to water in the river we'll build the fence around you on the North ~ but NO GATES.

You're on your own.

226 posted on 09/03/2011 3:13:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Carry_Okie

California border and Texas border are vastly different in terrain. What works one place is a costly boondoggle in another.


227 posted on 09/03/2011 3:13:28 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: NormsRevenge; Perdogg; gandalftb; A. Morgan; LaybackLenny

I said on another thread,
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” And you sure shouldn’t sell Liberty cheaply, for no purpose.

Stating that “it would not be the right direction for Texas” is not opposition. This is the Governor who called Social Security a “Ponzi scheme,” global warming a “carbon cult,” and called printing money for political purposes, “treasonous.”

The Feds only authorized 700 miles of fencing, and made actual efforts at 300. The border is 2000 miles long, and 1200 miles is in Texas. That wall was designed to be a failure: scalable with a truck or ladder, and un-manned. The plans always called for the fence to be “non-contiguous sections.”

Eminent domain by the Federal Government to take land and land use in Texas in order to set up a real fence would take 1200 miles, however deep, of private property from Texans. It would wipe out productive farms, ranches and homesteads owned by Americans. But again: there’s only plans for 300 miles in Texas.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Feds-warn-of-eminent-domain-to-build-border-fence-1801431.php

“”The remaining 370 miles, to be built primarily in urban areas, are expected to have actual steel fencing. About 85 miles, in 26 noncontiguous sections, are expected to be built in Texas. The bulk of that fencing, about 70 miles, is slated for South Texas.””

We do have our DPS, our helicopters, our Rangers. We have 250 of the 1000 National Guardsmen and 2/6 aerial drones that Obama’s administration sent and we did win a reprieve when he decided to pull the troops after only 6 months. Then, there’s that fence, for all of its holes

We do have 1200 miles of border, so the few resources we have are stretched thin. By the time personnel reaches an area, say at the fence, where movement is detected, the invaders are nowhere to be seen.


228 posted on 09/03/2011 3:14:11 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.https://www.rickperry.org)
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To: rintense

One reason he “poo pooed” Arizona’s law was due to a part in it that would put the local law enforcement officers in danger of being sued. You know he was able to spot a bad part of the law that would have some unintended consequences. You know that does come from some experience in office.


229 posted on 09/03/2011 3:15:14 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: Cyber Liberty

A law for Arizona may not apply to Texas. A law might be good for California but not for Virginia, because we have different problems.

Perry doesn’t think Texas needs an Arizona-type law. You can say that, and attack him for it, and it would be the truth. But it’s false to claim he doesn’t support Arizona’s law, for ARIZONA. Arizona is NOT Texas, and it has different problems and needs different solutions than Texas might need.


230 posted on 09/03/2011 3:16:02 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: okie01

I think Cesar Chavez, himself, was native born and preferred the use of American labor at a living wage ~ something like that.


231 posted on 09/03/2011 3:16:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: bgill

A fence would work in some areas, but you know darn well it would be prohibitively expensive and downright dumb to fence much of that forbidding terrain.

As for the river, if this drought doesn’t break soon, they’ll be walking across on dry ground. Still gotta scale cliffs, though.


232 posted on 09/03/2011 3:17:54 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: KantianBurke

yeah, seriously.


233 posted on 09/03/2011 3:18:01 PM PDT by RC one (Voting isn't a simple act of civic duty anymore, it's a complex act of civil war.)
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To: bert

Tunnels are a problem only if you want to detect them. If, instead, you want to destroy them upon the least discovery, they are no problem at all. Nobel demonstrated the solution. Just blow them up with a stick of dynamite.


234 posted on 09/03/2011 3:19:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Winstons Julia
In Israel there are tunnels.

America has 30+ million illegals. How many illegals have made it through Israel's tunnels?

235 posted on 09/03/2011 3:20:13 PM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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To: Jedidah
"The ignorance of Texas geography on this thread is astonishing, since it is essentially a thread about Texas geography."

I'm used to it. I lived on the border for 25 years and still have family there including my retired Border Patrol father in law. What we've got to stop are the 'sanctuary cities', anchor babies and government benefits for Mexican National illegal aliens and OTM's. Stop those and the problem will take care of itself. And how many miles long is that Israeli border wall?

236 posted on 09/03/2011 3:20:13 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Leaning Right

WHICH federal powers would be greater? Like this is the DEMARK ~ that’s where it all starts. Just one mm to the other side is noman’s land.


237 posted on 09/03/2011 3:21:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: bgill

Get with the common sense.

How much smaller is Israel’s border?

My point is that a wall/fence won’t work. We need to get serious... not argue about trivialities.


238 posted on 09/03/2011 3:23:11 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: comebacknewt

“I only see one problem with a border fence...”

Imagine machine gun turrets on the fence posts.

Problem solved.


239 posted on 09/03/2011 3:26:11 PM PDT by Josh Painter ("The only thing these 'investments' will get us is a bullet train to bankruptcy." - Palin)
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To: okie01
It doesn't make sense -- from El Paso to Brownsville. The Rio Grande is the only water source for fifty miles thru much of that area. A fence that blocked cattle, livestock and irrigation pumps off from the river would make millions of acres worthless and impoverish thousands.

Shoulder to shoulder National Guard would block the poor little bunny rabbits, too. You're right, high time we knocked down what fencing we have and open up the whole thing. What should we do about the ranchers who have water wells on their property to water their cattle and irrigate their fields (never mind that a good percent of it is unsuitable for cattle or vegetables).

240 posted on 09/03/2011 3:29:40 PM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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