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Former US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates: Israel an ungrateful ally
Christians United for Israel ^ | September 6, 2011

Posted on 09/06/2011 7:53:06 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012

Former US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates blasted Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, saying that his policies were ungrateful towards the US and were isolating Israel on a global level.

Gates’ harsh words were said during a meeting of the National Security Council Principals Committee, Bloomberg’s Jeffrey Goldber reported Tuesday.

Gates believes Netanyahu’s government has offered the Obama administration “nothing in return” for its generous security aid, which includes access to top-quality weapons, assistance in developing missile-defense systems and high-level intelligence sharing.

The former defense secretary said that not only is Netanyahu ungrateful, but his polices were “endangering his country by refusing to grapple with Israel’s growing isolation and with the demographic challenges it faces if it keeps control of the West Bank.”

Bloomberg added that Gates’s analysis met with no resistance from other committee members.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: gates; israel; judeophobia; kenyanbornmuzzie; netanyahu; nsc; robertgates; snub
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To: ilovesarah2012

I think what troubles me the most is the Israeli State has stolen our secrets and sold them to China.


51 posted on 09/06/2011 8:35:32 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Tzfat

I have always believed one of the main reasons America has been so blessed was our support of Israel. If we abandon Israel, I fear God will abandon America.


52 posted on 09/06/2011 8:36:03 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (PC)
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To: shield

I thought Clinton had already sold China all our secrets.


53 posted on 09/06/2011 8:37:12 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012 (PC)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Go to Hell Gates,you and your ilk can march to the drummer of the evil one if you like but not me..Your little Mini Muslim Communist Obama is just mad that Benjamin Netanyahu put Obamas Muslim butt in its place..It is way past time that Obama and crew got lost and never showed their face around us again..
54 posted on 09/06/2011 8:40:13 AM PDT by PLD
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To: ilovesarah2012

The Israeli State has been doing this long before clinton. They have continued since clinton.


55 posted on 09/06/2011 8:40:57 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Captain Kirk

No, I do not. Is there any question but that England has been a loyal ally to us? I think not - but neither do we rely on their press releases.

Israel is a democracy surrounded by dictators and Islamic radicals who want to destroy it. They do not always follow our lead, thank God, but they are the only country in the region that shares American values.

Obama & Gates have a hard time recognizing that since Obama & Gates don’t care about American values.


56 posted on 09/06/2011 8:40:57 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: ilovesarah2012

Yeah, they’ll stay under the bus and LIKE it!


57 posted on 09/06/2011 8:43:26 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Ungrateful because they won’t march into the gas chamber on command.


58 posted on 09/06/2011 8:50:11 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Maybe Egypt and Libya. I'm sure they're just MOUNTAINS of gratitude.
59 posted on 09/06/2011 8:53:06 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Robert Gates should understand that we are just as reliant on Isreal for middle eastern intelligence as they are to us for security. And why are we focused on Isreal when we have far greater threats from the radicalized Islamists. Hello Iran and Pakistan may blow up as well. North Korea is marginalized at the moment but big Red China has aims all it’s own in the South China sea and they have the GDP to get it done. I question our leaders and only see alternative motivations in everything they do. Sarah Palin needs to articulate what her position is on foreign policy more assertively to get the world’s attention. I am impressed with Sarah Palin’s tenacity and cleverness. Her integrity is established with me and I support her candidacy.


60 posted on 09/06/2011 8:53:37 AM PDT by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

As an American Jew, I can sincerely say I am very ungrateful to this administration which considers most Americans “the enemy” too, so STFU, Gates.


61 posted on 09/06/2011 8:59:52 AM PDT by Rytas
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To: xp38

bttt! Great picture of the Prime Minister! Yes, he is an ally of Israel.


62 posted on 09/06/2011 9:05:03 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (To paraphrase Sarah Palin: "I love when the liberals get all wee-wee'd up.")
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To: ilovesarah2012

Is this “If Israel wasn’t there, all our problems would go away” thinking? Sounds like it to me.


63 posted on 09/06/2011 9:07:30 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: ilovesarah2012; fishtank
I have never been supportive of our relationship with Israel, believing that we have arrayed one billion Arabs with most of the world's best oil against us in return for an obligation to support and even defend 3 million people with no oil. I believe we do this not in response to any perceived national interest but to appease the 1st or 2nd most important, richest, and most influential lobby in America.

I was too young to remember the 1948 war but I remember the wars since. These wars demonstrated that under the conditions as they existed for the last half of the 20th century, the Israelis were fully capable of defending themselves against a pathetic, corrupt, and disunited array of Arab and Muslim enemies. Moreover, for decades the Israelis were the sole possessors of the atomic bomb until Pakistan became a player in the nuclear game.

Since 9/11 the equation has changed. New powers have emerged and re-emerged who are hostile to Israel as well is to the United States. Iran is notably among those which have emerged and poses an existential threat to Israel as soon as it acquires an atomic weapon. Egypt is reemerging as an enemy of Israel as result of the dithering of the Obama administration during the Arab spring in Egypt and elsewhere. These 2 countries represent the most powerful Arab countries and they bracket Israel. Syria can be added to the list shortly as the Muslim brotherhood gains power there when the present regime is swept away. One would expect Syria to continue to act as a puppet of Iran.

It is becoming increasingly clear that the invasion of Iraq set in train a series of events which have been inimical to the interests of the United States and to Israel. The emergence of Iran has already been noted and it is regretfully to be admitted that it is Iran who has benefited most from the American invasion of Iraq. We have lost prestige, allies, lives, treasure and set in motion the "Arab spring" which is turning into the Arab nightmare.

Worse, the invasion of Iraq and the reaction against it domestically and abroad meant that the Bush administration was shut down from any possibility of military intervention to prevent Iran from getting the bomb. Evidently, that unfortunate reaction also applied to Israel. As a result, it is now virtually inevitable that Iran will get the atomic weapon it covets and the balance of power in the Middle East will be radically altered to our detriment and the delivery of oil will become much more tenuous and expensive as a result. We will be lucky if that is the worst effect of Iran getting the bomb. Their possession of atomic weapon makes almost certain an arms race in the Persian Gulf and makes very much more likely that there will be a nuclear war involving a strike against Israel and perhaps against the American homeland.

America will become measurably poorer and dramatically less safe.

America has virtually no interest in preserving the state of Israel. America has an existential interest in preventing the Iranians from getting the bomb, passing it off to a terrorist group, smuggling it into the Homeland, and destroying one or more American cities. Our policies described above have made all of this more, not less, likely.

As the world has changed since 9/11 so have the tactics of war in the Middle East. It is now clear that Israel is vulnerable in 2 respects which were not the case a decade or so ago: 1st, Israel is about to become vulnerable to nuclear attack, as noted; 2nd, Israel is now vulnerable to the kind of guerrilla warfare that we have seen in Iraq and in Afghanistan and increasingly in Gaza and on the West Bank. This is a war which Israel, vastly outnumbered as it is, ultimately must lose. Sole possession of nuclear weapons is of no avail against this strategy and Israel will soon lose its status as the sole possessor of the nuclear weapon. Unlike America, Israel has no real geographic possibility of isolating herself from her neighbors. She is simply vulnerable to low-grade missiles launched from only a few miles away and she already hosts a large 5th column population. The geography disadvantages Israel and the numbers are overwhelming.

With the reemergence of the Egypt as an enemy of Israel, the geography looks even more grim and we can expect Gaza to burn.

All of this is occurring at a time when America is staggering towards bankruptcy and must inevitably trim its military establishment. This is a wholly undesirable prospect but that does not make it less inevitable. As America weakens fiscally and militarily, we will find our attenuated commitments around the world more and more debilitating and ultimately threatening of our national security. Our commitment to Israel will be among the most problematic of them all.

Our national interests, indeed our prospects for survival as a democratic republic after Obama, require that we cease squandering our resources and rigorously focus our forces where they will actually preserve and protect the nation. The lesson of Rome should not be lost on us.

The United States has no interest in making Israel our proxy or in catching spears on Israel's behalf. The old saw is true, a country has no long-term allies, only long term national interests. There is nothing in Israel worthy of risking a nuclear strike in America. I believe that we should offer citizenship to every Israeli and withdraw from the alliance with our moral duty done. This is not an outcome to be desired but it is preferable to a very likely and very ugly alternative.

Secretary Gates has been churlish in his remarks. As posters have pointed out, nations do not expect gratitude from their allies but then we ought not to make national policy out of moral platitudes. I think Gates is frustrated and scared. He sees the realities on the ground described above and so he should alert the American people to the difficulties. Instead, he takes a cheap shot at Netanyahu it was a better friend to America than Gates' boss. I think he is flailing about trying to find a way out of our strategic and moral dilemma.


64 posted on 09/06/2011 9:12:10 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: NonValueAdded

[ Is this “If Israel wasn’t there, all our problems would go away” thinking? Sounds like it to me. ]

You know if we gave Germany the Sudatenland we could get a nice signed document from the German Chancellor assuring us that there could very well be piece in our time.....

Unilateral compromise by the righteous is a portent to war.....


65 posted on 09/06/2011 9:21:18 AM PDT by GraceG
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In other words, Gates is saying "Why won't those damned Jews in Israel just cooperate and step into the cattle cars in an orderly manner, to make Obama look better?"

Mark

66 posted on 09/06/2011 9:39:27 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Robert Gates moves around quite easily with democrats progressives marxists and globalists..

Makes you wonder if he is not one of them.. and a “made man” in several conspiracy’s..


67 posted on 09/06/2011 9:49:45 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: CondorFlight

Oil?


68 posted on 09/06/2011 9:59:28 AM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: nathanbedford

The Arab/Muslim countries need to REPENT of

their hatred of Israel.

Plain and simple.


69 posted on 09/06/2011 10:00:39 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: nathanbedford
I have never been supportive of our relationship with Israel, believing that we have arrayed one billion Arabs with most of the world's best oil against us in return for an obligation to support and even defend 3 million people with no oil. I believe we do this not in response to any perceived national interest but to appease the 1st or 2nd most important, richest, and most influential lobby in America.

I was too young to remember the 1948 war but I remember the wars since. These wars demonstrated that under the conditions as they existed for the last half of the 20th century, the Israelis were fully capable of defending themselves against a pathetic, corrupt, and disunited array of Arab and Muslim enemies. Moreover, for decades the Israelis were the sole possessors of the atomic bomb until Pakistan became a player in the nuclear game.

The original reason for US support of Israel was quite simple. Israel was seen as a proxy for the US against Soviet expansion in the Middle East. Depending on who you talk you, the Soviet Union (or the US) was the first country to recognize the State of Israel, and in their case, it was simply to get Great Britain out of there. The Soviets supported the arab nations and hoped to keep the US out of the Middle East. Through the 1973 Yom Kippur war, the wars between Israel and the arab nations were proxy wars fought between the US and the USSR. If not for the US decision to rush military aid to Israel, Israel WOULD HAVE LOST THAT WAR. But once resupplied, Israel was able to counter-attack. In fact, when it appeared that Israel was about to crush both the Egyptian and Syrian armies (Israel was within 50 miles of Damascus), the USSR threatened to actively join the war against Israel if the US didn't halt Israel's military action.

That's why the US originally allied with Israel. Remember the the leftists in the US State Department were completely against the US recognition of the State of Israel, let alone the US/Israel alliance (I believe due to Soviet influence), and in fact, Marshall threatened to resign over it. Truman overrode him, and the US recognized and supported Israel's independence.

Mark

70 posted on 09/06/2011 10:04:22 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: ilovesarah2012

The point is that giving someone sophisticated weapons and then saying you can’t use them until the bastards over-run you or blast you from afar is hypocrisy.

I bet they would appreciate fewer weapons and more tough support against the Palistinians, Syrians, Egyptian Brotherhood newbies, and Iranians.

Letting things get to a war level and then telling the Israelis to back down or give in since a war would be catastrophic is not a policy of support.


71 posted on 09/06/2011 10:30:22 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: demkicker

Our Muslim dear reader has set into motion two disasters for Israel. The Arab spring was orchestrated by Obama and his pals to turn over the Arab countries surrounding Israel to jihadists who will attack Israel. Second, the September UN session will recognize a Palestanian State membership.

Gates is in the process of setting the narrative to blame Israel for what Soros, Google, Obama and Hillary have set into motion against it. As the Arab and Iranian aggression heats up after the UN vote, and Israel defends itself, they will pull the same demonization game on Bibi that they pulled on Gadaffi. They will demand that he step down and a far leftist Israeli take his place for “peace”.

Then Obammy’s peace agreement will be imposed on Israel. He will move in a “UN peace keeping” force to aid the Arabs in clearing out (slaughtering) the Jews who reside in Palestian territory.

Alinsky - Always blame someone else for what you do. If a Republican is elected, and Obama has all his ducks in a line (jihadists in power and the UN establishing a Palistanian state) I don’t see how a Republican can stop what happens.


72 posted on 09/06/2011 10:38:30 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: lurk

GW Bush was staunchly pro-Israel.


73 posted on 09/06/2011 11:00:35 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: shield

Uh. Why would China buy our secrets when all they had to do was offer Clinton money, walk into any restricted area of the capital and pick up a laptop (and did just that)?


74 posted on 09/06/2011 11:19:38 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: cblue55
You are correct. Gates is a hack of a bureaucratic cast. Nearly forty years ago after foolishly trying to implement changes to make a production system transparent which enraged a second tier manager i had a little colloquy with my boss. Who do you work for?, he asked visibly angry from getting chewed out. I work for the united States Air Force and the more generally the citizens of the United States. This produced a fit of real rage which could be summed up in a final remark. “You smart ass b-stard, you work for the person who signs your performance evaluation and you had better remember that” i really never put a lot of stock in that interpretation and it probably had something to do with my less than stellar career. Mr. Gates, however, learned that lesson early and well and has always had his antenna extended to intuit what his boss wants. For that reason as he is both very industrious and has a better than average inside the Beltway intellect he has steadily risen in the hierarchy of Washington suckups. He also never nurtured any political ambitions. Being rater satisfied to climb the bureaucratic pyramid.

As a person, Gates is a cold blooded reptile. He has no friendships only alliances that serve his interests for the moment. He is notorious for his lack of gratitude even by DC standards. He is also a notorious user of people and firmly believes that loyalty only flows up not down. A great example of a man who has based his life on telling those below him what he wanted them to believe and those above him what they wanted to hear.

Robert Gates in his cold calculating self interested way has as BO’s SecDef damaged the armed forces and the US in ways that won't be realized for a good while.

75 posted on 09/06/2011 12:22:00 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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76 posted on 09/06/2011 4:29:46 PM PDT by SJackson (Free Palestine, return it to the inhabitants who had the land taken by the Romans, Alan West)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks ilovesarah2012.
Gates believes Netanyahu's government has offered the Obama administration "nothing in return" for its generous security aid...
Unlike other jihad-cuddlers, Gates is not even a convincing liar -- aid to Israel doesn't come from, nor did it originate with, the Obama administration. Zero has persistently denied Israel access to vital weapons systems and upgrades, AND, is basically singlehandedly responsible for Israel's growing isolation.


77 posted on 09/06/2011 4:42:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ilovesarah2012

bump


78 posted on 09/06/2011 5:40:38 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: klb99

I very much doubt that the Muslims respect Zer0. They know a dhimmi when they see one.


79 posted on 09/06/2011 6:03:13 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: SJackson

Gates, like Bernanke - ANOTHER LOSER appointed by Bush II and retained by his EVEN MORE INEPT successor.


80 posted on 09/06/2011 6:31:17 PM PDT by ZULU ( Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam)
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To: nathanbedford

Our leaders could have saved the USA many lives and treasure if only they’d listened to Thomas Jefferson. That was before billion dollar lobbies existed that corrupted and compromised US national interests. These alliances have gained us nothing and cost us plenty. None of them are really a 50-50 deal for Americans.

Thomas Jefferson: “peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.”


81 posted on 09/07/2011 6:33:01 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Oh, look. All nations are being gathered against Israel ...

I wonder if "American Idol" is on tonight?

It's comforting to me to see that others have their eyes open and are listening to that still, small voice.

82 posted on 09/07/2011 6:46:35 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: SaraJohnson
Our Muslim dear reader has set into motion two disasters for Israel. The Arab spring was orchestrated by Obama and his pals to turn over the Arab countries surrounding Israel to jihadists who will attack Israel. Second, the September UN session will recognize a Palestanian State membership.

Gates is in the process of setting the narrative to blame Israel for what Soros, Google, Obama and Hillary have set into motion against it. As the Arab and Iranian aggression heats up after the UN vote, and Israel defends itself, they will pull the same demonization game on Bibi that they pulled on Gadaffi. They will demand that he step down and a far leftist Israeli take his place for “peace”.

Then Obammy’s peace agreement will be imposed on Israel. He will move in a “UN peace keeping” force to aid the Arabs in clearing out (slaughtering) the Jews who reside in Palestian territory.

Alinsky - Always blame someone else for what you do. If a Republican is elected, and Obama has all his ducks in a line (jihadists in power and the UN establishing a Palistanian state) I don’t see how a Republican can stop what happens.

Wow. I have nothing else to add except I believe your theory is correct (and frightening).

83 posted on 09/07/2011 7:05:37 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Let’s be clear what we’re talking about here. Israel is not just gathering intelligence on the U.S. It is actively conducting espionage. Google AIPAC spy case, Jonathan Pollard, if you want details. Even as it conducts this espionage, it sucks off the teats of American taxpayers more than any other country. If you want to donate your paycheck to Israel, have at it! Just keep your hands out of my pocket. Deal?


84 posted on 09/07/2011 9:44:20 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Mr Rogers

Let’s be clear what we’re talking about here. Israel is not just gathering intelligence on the U.S. It is actively conducting espionage. Google AIPAC spy case, Jonathan Pollard, if you want details. Even as it conducts this espionage, it sucks off the teats of American taxpayers more than any other country. If you want to donate your paycheck to Israel, have at it! Just keep your hands out of my pocket. Deal?


85 posted on 09/07/2011 9:44:35 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: SaraJohnson

I fear you are exactly right. They’ve set the table for the destruction of Israel - and if true, God help us all....


86 posted on 09/07/2011 2:47:06 PM PDT by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: Tzfat

U.S. spy on Israel???? Name....one, just one, U.S. spy who was arrested for espionage on Israel.


87 posted on 09/08/2011 12:43:52 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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