Posted on 09/07/2011 9:00:11 AM PDT by AT7Saluki
... We are educated professionals who work with kids every day and often see your child in a different light than you do. If we give you advice, don't fight it. Take it, and digest it in the same way you would consider advice from a doctor or lawyer. I have become used to some parents who just don't want to hear anything negative about their child, but sometimes if you're willing to take early warning advice to heart, it can help you head off an issue that could become much greater in the future.
Trust us. At times when I tell parents that their child has been a behavior problem, I can almost see the hairs rise on their backs. They are ready to fight and defend their child, and it is exhausting...
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Or is disrupting ALL learning preferable - is that your preferred outcome?
More ridiculous and unfounded assertions. Are you sure you didn’t vote for Obama? You certainly reason like him.
No, not all government schools are “godless in their worldview,” unless you mean that they don’t teach religion. Which is fine with me. That’s my job as a parent, aided by my church and extended family.
You also assert, absurdly, that “simply to get along the classroom and complete assignments, they think and reason godlessly.”
Balderdash. What is “godless” about calculus? Literature and world history and geography, and physics and chemistry and biology? All that we discover is God-created or influenced, and to refuse to learn it is irresponsible.
I do hope you’re just young and ignorant and not one of those parents who are so fearful that they handicap their kids so that they never learn to function well in society.
Seriously, I wish you the best. Your wretched scary world is too small for further discussion.
Homework re-inforces what the student learned that day and helps prepare the student for what he or she will learn the next day. It's one thing to "understand" how to work out a problem by watching a teacher do it on the blackboard; it's another thing altogether sitting down and figuring out how to apply what you learned in the classroom to solve a problem by yourself.
>Well....It should be simple for you.
How is teaching children to think godlessly, not evil?
How is teaching children to be comfortable and entitled to another’s labor to fund a service their parent’s want for tuition-free not evil?
How is teaching children to submit to the will of the voting mob ( misnamed “school board”) over the very thoughts they think and hold in their hearts, not evil .
I am a public school teacher, and I do a good job. I am always teaching, as are many of the other teachers in my school.
Many of my students go to church. There they learn about God. My students learn about literature, as we are currently learning about the Scarlet Letter.
I know you like to shout and get excited, but I have Muslim students, atheist students, Christian students, and some of other religions as well. I’d like for you to suggest what I should do that wouldn’t get me sued by their parents.
My job is to disseminate information and prepare them for life after school. If their parents want them to have a “godly” education, they can send them to a private school, but as a previous private school attendee myself, the stuff that goes on at a public school infests private schools too.
I know that this post may illicit more yelling, so I’ll leave it at that.
Yep. The most thoroughly Marxist institute in this country is the one a vast majority of otherwise conservative people support. Home schooling your kids is the only right, Christian thing to do. Their your kids, your responsibility. The fact that good people will let others have their kids all day baffles me.
illicit = elicit
“Give us more money so we can donate more money to the Democrat Party”?
Be particularly aware of the ones who call themselves "educators". They can be legends in their own minds.
Nice piece... if separating children from their parents is the goal.
Which it is.
I guess I touched a raw nerve!
ML/NJ
so, you’re saying that law schools and engineering schools are as degraded as teaching programs?
we know from donald trump that obama’s undergrad grades were low;
the implication was that obama made into the ivy league schools by means of affirmative action.
See my post #57
i understand that standards have been lowered, for various reasons, affirmative action.
when i was in grad school i worked in the registrar’s office of a university. sat and gre scores were part our daily work.
the scores of teaching, journalism and athletics were very low.
thanks for your thoughtful reply.
“Good teachers do not cooperate with destroying a child’s faith and teaching him to think and reason godless. “
Are you implying that the ability to reason is necessarily and inextricably linked to one’s religion, or to their exposure to religion?
Are you saying that a person never having been exposed to religious training is incapable of reason?
Just want to understand, you see.
I see reason and faith to be separate somehow.
Government schools can have good math teachers in them, yes or no? Can they have good English teachers, or good Spanish teachers? Can they have good Chemistry teachers? By good I mean ‘effective’. I would also assert, with some safety, that by good, I could also mean both ‘moral’ and in many cases ‘saved’. Government teachers are not outside of salvation, or are incapable of acting in a ‘moral’ way in the performance of their duties.
Your position is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a government teacher to be good. Your assertion is that this is an actually an ‘axiom’ - proven. This puts you in the very same crowd as the anthropomorphic global warming nuts. You assume that everyone regards your statement as ‘proven’, that it is impossible for a government teacher to be effective at teaching any subject.
“AGW is proven, and any debate from you is an indication that you are incapable of evaluating the accuracy and applicability of the evidence. In a word, sir, you are a mouth breathing, potentially malicious person for not believing in what 9 out of 10 climate scientists believe.”
This is the sort of thing you hear out of the more rabid, agenda-pushing liberal types.
So you see, ideology has nothing to do with this situation. I can guess that you believe and hold to generally conservative ideals, and yet you are quite mad in believing NOT ONLY that it is impossible for a government teacher to be effective, BUT ALSO that you believe EVERYONE ELSE TAKES THIS TO BE PROVEN ON ITS FACE.
Water is wet. That’s an axiom.
What you did was create a generalization. You then assert that it was a proven fact. You assume they are all bad, without having met even MOST public school teachers. You imply they are all Godless and/or godless.
Worse, you ignore evidence to the contrary, and in fact you rail against the effectiveness in those same teachers at pushing a godless, socialist agenda. If I were to assert, for example: “Government effectively uses public school education to indoctrinate young men and women into a life of godless socialism, and ultimately a numbed serfdom,” you’d likely agree with it. It may actually be true. I see evidence to support it and to reject it, actually.
Well, if no government teacher can be effective (good) and all are axiomatically not effective (bad), then what fear would one have of public school, other than its a waste of time (another topic worthy of debate perhaps). None are good at teaching anything at all, including a godless, socialist agenda, right?
You can’t POSSIBLY mean that all government teachers are immoral (bad), because as a good, Bible-believing LDS member, you’ll recall that all judgement belongs to the Lord, and judge not, lest ye be judged.
Seldom can you take such a large group of people, say public school teachers, make a general characterization of them, and then assert an axiom like “All are bad (ineffective or evil)”. There are always exceptions, isn’t that correct?
As such, if you are the one responsible for teaching your offspring what an axiom is, I’d have to say that you demonstrated here that you don’t know what one is. As such, I can state for a fact that you have no business asserting you are qualified at teaching him or her what one is.
Not that I have a problem with it, since there are a great many teachers out there teaching things they are not qualified to teach. Mind you, the difference between an axiom and a generalization, or the assertion of a generalization, is significant. You may be a stellar English teacher, but this lapse in understand could lead one to question other assertions - like the one where MOST parents would be qualified to educate their own children. You assert that ALL parents could and should.
I assert they shouldn’t. I further assert they can’t. I assert most are so afraid of math that they don’t even know the government stole the fortunes from most of them and gave it to the banks. I assert that if they understood basic math, and grasped what it will do to them unto retirement and death at this point, they may be tempted to riot.
Many on Wall Street believed they might, and packed ‘bug out bags’ for the day they finally ‘got it’. They never did, of course, and now they are looking for ways to create the next new weath transfer device. Wall Street compensation reached record levels in 2010 ($135B).
My assertion, that most parents are too stupid and too ignorant to teach their kids is something I could more readily get 12 reasonably prudent people to accept than your assertion, which is that ALL parents should be teaching their own kids at home, because all government teachers are bad. That’s my belief, and I’ve got nothing to back that up of course.
You’ve provided me evidence that you can’t distinguish an axiom from an assertion, or a generalization. ‘Warmers’ do that on purpose - forcing assertions on to people as axioms - ‘CO2 from people causes warming’. I can’t tell if you are doing it to push and agenda like they do, or whether its just ignorance.
All teachers?...Well....That would depend upon the parent's worldiview.
Is the worldview of the parents God-centered or godless? In a private school these matters would be settled by private agreement between the principal, teachers, members of the board of the private school, and the parents.
In my private homeschool, all lessons were within the framework of a God-centered worldview. Science and math reflected the greatness of God's understanding. It was our duty before God to learn as much as possible about his creations and to use that knowledge to love and serve others.
By the way....My three homeschoolers entered college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. All finished all college general courses and Calculus III by the age of 15. Two earned B.S. degrees in math by the age of 18. The oldest was equally successful in other areas of business and sports but still will earn a masters in accounting at an age typical of those attending government school. He is taking his last course now and will be awarded his degree in December.
Children should never be forced by the government to attend a school that is godless in its worldview. Children of atheists should not be forced to attend schools that are God-centered. Taxpayers should not be forced to fund schools in any manner because NO school can be religiously, politically, or culturally neutral.
Yet...Unless a parent can ransom their by paying extra for private or homeschool, the parent and child are under armed police threat to submit to a religious worldview that likely undermines every religious, political, and cultural value taught in the home.
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