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Teachers union president says Mayor Emanuel ‘exploded’ at her (Teachers not make enough)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | September 9,2011 | ROSALIND ROSSI

Posted on 09/09/2011 1:21:56 PM PDT by Hojczyk

The president of the Chicago Teachers Union says Mayor Rahm Emanuel “exploded” at her during a debate over a longer school day, pointing his finger in her face, yelling and cursing.

However, Lewis, the CTU and its parent union, the Illinois Federation of Teachers were conspicuously absent from Friday’s event featuring key players in passing Illinois new school reform bill. All had been invited.

Duncan took the opportunity to tell a crowd of mostly officials and reporters that “teachers have been beaten down too long” and “I think we need to double the salaries for teachers... Great teachers should make $130,000, $140,000, $150,000. They shouldn’t have to wait to age 55 to make a good living. They shouldn’t have to take a vow of poverty.”

The teachers union on Thursday filed its first major legal salvo in the battle over a longer school day as Lewis charged that district brass and the mayor had “declared war’’ on the union through an illegal campaign to bypass it.

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KEYWORDS: emanuel; teachers; teachersunion; union
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1 posted on 09/09/2011 1:22:01 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

They are beginning to eat their own. No wonder Daley decided to quit, he knew what was on the way and decided to get while he still could.


2 posted on 09/09/2011 1:24:31 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Hojczyk
The president of the Chicago Teachers Union says Mayor Rahm Emanuel “exploded” at her during a debate over a longer school day, pointing his finger in her face, yelling and cursing.

Yep, that sounds like our little boy Rahm.

3 posted on 09/09/2011 1:24:43 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: Hojczyk
“I think we need to double the salaries for teachers. I think I know why he "exploded".......
4 posted on 09/09/2011 1:24:43 PM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Hojczyk

Forever cynical, I wonder if it’s all Kabuki theater. That there really isn’t a dime of difference between what Emanuel wants (still weirds me out that he’s actually da mare now) and what the teachers’ union wants.


5 posted on 09/09/2011 1:25:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

He just won the election a year ago so he could do anything he wants, and no one will remember it. Just for show...Dems and unions go hand in hand. A week from now, both these clowns will be ass-kissing each other.


6 posted on 09/09/2011 1:27:42 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Hojczyk

Cool. She’s PROBABLY a Dem too..


7 posted on 09/09/2011 1:28:26 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Mr B has a new cousin on the way!)
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To: Hojczyk

I have been a part-time college instructor (i.e “adjunct faculty”) since the 80’s, all while holding a full-time job in the private sector. There is more wasted money in education than anywhere else. If you are incompetent, the absolute safest career choice is education.


8 posted on 09/09/2011 1:28:56 PM PDT by LifePath
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To: max americana

Chicago’s finances are in terrible shape....but I suspect that Ram had no idea JUST HOW BAD until he took office...you can’t really think that Daley told him the truth..


9 posted on 09/09/2011 1:33:20 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the EARTH...it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: Hojczyk

“Great teachers should make $130,000, $140,000, $150,000”.
I have long suspected the goal of teachers was to push their earnings up to the level of doctors and lawyers.


10 posted on 09/09/2011 1:34:05 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Red Badger

. . . . combat pay.


11 posted on 09/09/2011 1:35:16 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Hojczyk
If teachers were underpaid, there would be no waiting lists for teaching positions.

Thousands of teaching positions would be unfilled in Chicago and class sizes would be 100+ due to the shortage.

12 posted on 09/09/2011 1:35:42 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Hojczyk

LOL. I love hearing stories like these. Hussein’s cult is so disfunctional, they all are seething with ego problems.

We have our own share of arguments on the conservative side, but I’d like to see a little more of the 1980s Demon-rat party (when I was one of them), fighting among each other all the time.


13 posted on 09/09/2011 1:38:52 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: PGR88

Rahm sure seems to have a bad temper, and throw temper tantrums a lot.

And he sends dead fish to people he doesn’t like.

He sent the dead fish when he was well into adulthood and working in the Clinton White House, if I recall correctly. It was NOT a youthful prank.


14 posted on 09/09/2011 1:43:00 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Hojczyk

I can’t believe that somebody hasn’t kicked the crap out of that little ballet dancer yet!


15 posted on 09/09/2011 1:46:34 PM PDT by golf lover
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To: GonzoGOP

Duncan is an advocate of merit pay and so called objective teacher evaluation. The CTA is an advocate of pro forma evals and salary schedule compensation based on years and credits.Most free marketers fall in line with Duncan’s approach. When he says great teachers, he means about 10% at that levelof pay The AFT and NEA despite the sideshow in Wisconsin are really on a collision course with Obama and Duncan and Gates and Buffet. All of whom want to fundamentally transform teacher employment and pay.


16 posted on 09/09/2011 1:47:37 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!)
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To: Hojczyk
Great teachers should make $130,000, $140,000, $150,000.

If somebody wants to talk about "should" then why stop there. Why not $300,000? Why not a million. Why not drop context and evade reality. Who cares about the size of the demand for labor for teachers and the existence of competition.

17 posted on 09/09/2011 1:47:54 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Hojczyk

They shouldn’t have to take a vow of poverty.”

Maybe the unions do have to but the communists in power sure want the American to take the vow!


18 posted on 09/09/2011 1:48:35 PM PDT by Bitsy (!)
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To: Hojczyk
When I explained to him that a longer school day should not be used for warehousing or babysitting our youth he exploded..

And I think keeping kids off the streets longer is exactly what is the purpose of a longer school day and year. My son attends a CPS grade school. He has had good teachers and poor teachers. Last year's teacher was OK. If the CPS were serious about increasing the quality and quantity of education, they would first take a long and hard look at how much time is wasted during a school year. Lots of days off for teacher's institutes. A day off whenever report cards are issued. The most glaring waste last year was when the last three weeks of school were spent doing nothing that had anything to do with education. Textbooks were turned in. There was little classroom instruction, no homework. The kids watched movies, played games, etc.

19 posted on 09/09/2011 1:48:42 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." -- G.K. Chesterton)
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To: mjp

Great teachers should make $130,000, $140,000, $150,000.

......and as soon as we get some great teachers....


20 posted on 09/09/2011 1:51:09 PM PDT by Recon Dad ("Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way..")
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To: Hojczyk

i do believe that a good educator is worth the 130k+ salary. that is if they actually educate. The value created by their ability to bring each individual to their full potential through earned success would sustain such value. But that would mean unleashing market forces upon the field and, God forbid, making educators compete.


21 posted on 09/09/2011 1:51:16 PM PDT by griswold3 (Character is Destiny)
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To: GonzoGOP

They are beginning to eat their own. No wonder Daley decided to quit, he knew what was on the way and decided to get while he still could

In a little while Chicago will look like Detroit. People in Chicago like tough/slick/bullies - they ain’t seen nothing yet.


22 posted on 09/09/2011 1:52:05 PM PDT by Bitsy (!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I would like to be in a meeting where this fairy starts ranting and putting his finger in my chest.

Sounds to me like he has been getting away with such behavior for far too long.


23 posted on 09/09/2011 1:54:48 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: Hojczyk
Great teachers should make $130,000, $140,000, $150,000. They shouldn’t have to wait to age 55 to make a good living. They shouldn’t have to take a vow of poverty.”

Great teachers can't make that because you, Teachers Union, traded that away so you could have tenure for all the crummy teachers. Sorry but if you force us to pay forever for the rotten teachers, we're taking it out of the pay for the good teachers. But hey, it's only fair that everyone make the same regardless of ability (as fairness is defined by liberals), right?

24 posted on 09/09/2011 1:57:04 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Hojczyk

If more money meant better teachers I would agree, but that is not how it works in the real world. The way the system is we just end up paying more money to mostly sorry teachers. The few good teachers burn out soon and end up in another career.


25 posted on 09/09/2011 1:59:49 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Wiser now

I think great teachers should make the same range of salary as other professionals...but our system weeds out the great teachers so we would have to gut the system and start over before they could convince me they needed to be well paid. Most are overpaid now compared to their worth.


26 posted on 09/09/2011 2:03:17 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: pepsi_junkie

Yes, your comment was going to be mine. Michelle Rhee, briefly of the DC schools before the unions hounded her out, offered the following deal:
1) good teachers could make up to $140,000, roughly double the cash portion of their current compensation; but
2) no more tenure (bad teachers can be fired like a bad mechanic or bad lawyer)

The union response? Wouldn’t even allow the proposal to be PUT TO A RANK AND FILE VOTE.


27 posted on 09/09/2011 2:03:40 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: mjp
"Great teachers should make $130,000, $140,000, $150,000."

I'll give the bitch $150K, the moment I get a yearly school voucher for $15K. I hope she's a good saver, because she'll be out of a job in six months...

28 posted on 09/09/2011 2:09:10 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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Good grief! I’ll buck the tide, and say that I, as a teacher, do not “deserve” anything close to six-figures. Give me enough for food, clothing, shelter, and the occasional bag of potato chips, and I’m fine with it; I’m there to teach kids, not pad my IRA! When I’m surrounded by people who make FAR less than I, and who are losing their farms and houses and jobs, I feel rather funny about demanding a “raise” from their taxes (so that I can make 250% of what they make, instead of merely 200%). I see no reason, whatsoever, why any teacher would “need” to make more than $50,000/year... and that would be in an area where apartments are $1000/month!

(The irony is that I switched from a public school—whose kids I loved—to private school [I love them too, of course]; the culture of death promotion by the public schools became just a wee bit too much for me.)


29 posted on 09/09/2011 2:22:24 PM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: wideawake

“If teachers were underpaid, there would be no waiting lists for teaching positions. Thousands of teaching positions would be unfilled in Chicago and class sizes would be 100+ due to the shortage.”

That’s right; I loved it when our Governor Christie responded to one of those parasites in a public forum with, “You don’t have to do this”. Turned out later she had understated her salary, which in NJ is already high enough to make most Americans gasp. We have kindergarten teachers pulling down $80K+, for 180 days (8:30-3:00, with time for lunch), and they’re in their mid-forties. They will be earning $100K by 55 (regardless of how they perform), and their retirement packages are killing the municipalities they bled dry for 40 years.

The Asbury Park Press reported all NJ public school teachers’ salaries (as public information) a few years back, and a lot of school budgets failed at the ballot box as a result. Now that we have a 2% property tax cap, you’re going to get screwed either way (but only for 2% per year); all the school budget vote determines is whether your taxes go to the teachers’ unions of the police/fire unions.


30 posted on 09/09/2011 2:22:59 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Wiser now
I have long suspected the goal of teachers was to push their earnings up to the level of doctors and lawyers.

As a PhD who has made good, but not big money, let me say that teachers who demonstrate intelligence the way doctors need to (e.g., GRE scores, MCATs) may deserve more money, IF THEY PRODUCE DEMONSTRABLE RESULTS that shows they are adding value equivalent to their compensation.

31 posted on 09/09/2011 2:27:28 PM PDT by neocon1984
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To: Hojczyk

Vow of poverty, that’s rich. A teachers pension after 30 years, working 200 days a year, would require me to save a couple million bucks. That’s a heckuva nest egg.


32 posted on 09/09/2011 2:29:01 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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But unless Rahm stood up and stabbed the table with a steak knife while calling out her name and repeating the words 'DEAD, DEAD, DEAD' it does not count.

Just put some ice on it ................

33 posted on 09/09/2011 2:30:17 PM PDT by Lockbox (`)
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To: Bitsy

“They shouldn’t have to take a vow of poverty”

Here in NJ they are our upper middle class; they always compared their salaries to northern NJ’s financial jobs (many of which have left forever), without ever mentioning hours worked, competition/merit, etc.

Now NJ is being abandoned by hard-working Americans, with the unassimilated dependents and illegals filling the gap. They have no means of funding the current services they “require”, never mind the inherited liabilities caused by the gubmint retirees (most of whom flee the expensive dump they created - parasites leaving a dying host).


34 posted on 09/09/2011 2:37:42 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Hojczyk
Frankly, if someone suggested to me that teachers should make six figures, I'd explode, too. Having seen some of the more recent crop of education majors, comparing teachers to doctors or even lawyers is absurd.
35 posted on 09/09/2011 2:38:22 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (Looking forward to kicking Chicago out of Washington.)
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To: King Moonracer

“working 200 days a year”

Now that’s rich; here in NJ, they work 180 (literally less than half a year). It would be similar to the average taxpayer getting off at noon every Thursday, and being off every Friday (working 3 and 1/2 of every 7 days)!


36 posted on 09/09/2011 2:42:48 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: GonzoGOP

“No wonder Daley decided to quit...”

As a prisoner of the fascist state of Illinois, you obviously know that Daly never quit skimming graft. He has a platoon of taxpayer-funded chunky, fat cops to provide security. And Daly’s fat-ass wife has cop limo service to take her on shopping sprees to spend looted taxpayer money.

I’m sure as a resident of the former great state of Illinois, you can add more detail. I yield the floor to you. Cheers.

(This is not a hostile post directed to you. I’m hoping you can provide more details I’m not aware of.)


37 posted on 09/09/2011 2:46:08 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Hojczyk
Great teachers should make $130,000, $140,000, $150,000.

Privatize the schools.
I'm sure that great teachers will get paid very well. And I'm sure that they will deserve it.
Let the Education System enter the Free Market, and let excellence get rewarded.
Break the shackles of mediocrity.

38 posted on 09/09/2011 2:46:17 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Hojczyk

The schools need less money, not more. In the 1950’s, teachers were paid less but accomplished more with larger classes than they do now. The kids were under control without being drugged, and the parents backed up the teachers. Moreover, after elementary school, most learning takes place due to the motivation of the student (especially in math and science), not due to gold plated schools and small classes.


39 posted on 09/09/2011 3:02:39 PM PDT by Socon-Econ (Socon-Econ)
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To: El Cid

“Great teachers should make $130,000, $140,000, $150,000.”

For 9 months work? Plus, they would argue that ‘great teachers’ = ‘unionized teachers’.

I absolutely cannot stomach the left.


40 posted on 09/09/2011 3:14:18 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Hojczyk

How about we cut their salaries in half and send rebate checks out to property owners?


41 posted on 09/09/2011 3:21:07 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: GonzoGOP
They are beginning to eat their own.


42 posted on 09/09/2011 3:22:21 PM PDT by moovova
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
For 9 months work? Plus, they would argue that ‘great teachers’ = ‘unionized teachers’.

If the market thought their services were so desired - then more power to them.
But I understand they have no desire to turn an individual (in this case a teacher) into an entrepreneur. They just want slaves on their Government Union plantation.
I just wanted to point out their hypocrisy. If they really desired higher compensation for "great" teachers - they'd push for a merit based system -- i.e., the Free Market (one free from the Government plantation). But they don't. They want free money from the money tree.

43 posted on 09/09/2011 3:24:19 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: kearnyirish2
Perfect post.

We pay brutal property taxes every year in NJ for four reasons:

To pay teachers 100K to babysit our kids while filling their heads with unchallenging liberal mush.
To pay policemen 100K to sit around all day, hit on teenagers and write tickets.
To pay firemen 100K to sit around all day, hit on teenagers and "fight" a kitchen fire once a year or so.
To pay township officials 250K to coordinate all the abovementioned activity.

90% of the country may have jobs, but maybe 50% actually work.

44 posted on 09/09/2011 3:36:19 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Wiser now

Great teachers should get paid that much.

Poor ones should be canned. Pay teachers what the market is willing to pay.


45 posted on 09/09/2011 3:53:15 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! “10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government")
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To: Hojczyk

Rahm’s acting like a fiscal conservative and a social liberal


46 posted on 09/09/2011 3:55:58 PM PDT by stylin19a (obama..."Fredo-Smart")
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To: Hojczyk

NO teachers should not make that kind of money especially when they turn out kids who can barely read!


47 posted on 09/09/2011 5:07:57 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: wideawake

You’re right; now that the chickens have come to home to roost, many of those people (in all categories) are being let go at a time when nobody needs them (at least in the northeast) - they simply cost too much, with little appreciable results. Paid firemen aren’t very common in NJ when you leave the urban areas, but those departments that are paid fiercely resist any regionalization or anything else that might alleviate the burden on the taxpayers. The recent police layoffs in the news (1/3 of some departments) have left older, more costly/less effective cops on the job, and in some school districts all non-tenured teachers have already been let go, causing them to start eating into the youngest/newest tenured positions for layoffs.


48 posted on 09/09/2011 8:18:01 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

They have no means of funding the current services they “require”, never mind the inherited liabilities caused by the gubmint retirees (most of whom flee the expensive dump they created - parasites leaving a dying host).

It is amazing where the liberal/progressive agenda is in full swing, good people leave and they leave behind potential Detroits. When will people wake up and realize.


49 posted on 09/12/2011 6:11:38 AM PDT by Bitsy (!)
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To: Hojczyk

The little ballet dancer needs anger management courses. Or maybe because he IS just a ballet dancer that makes him so angry.


50 posted on 09/12/2011 6:13:57 AM PDT by Bitsy (!)
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