Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Perry and the Ponzis
National Review Online ^ | September 12, 2011 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 09/12/2011 3:14:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Until a half a minute ago, liberals called Social Security a Ponzi scheme, too.

Is Texas governor and Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry a courageous and welcome truth teller for calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme, or is he being needlessly provocative instead? Or maybe you think Perry’s Ponzi comparison is just plain wrong. I favor the truth-teller option, but the debate will surely go on.

In any case, it’s certain that Perry’s Ponzi-scheme claim is in no way original. Not only have a raft of conservatives called Social Security a Ponzi scheme over the years, quite a few very respectable liberals have done so as well. It is clearly wrong either to treat the Ponzi-scheme analogy as unprecedented or to rule it altogether out of legitimate public debate. A historical tour of the use of the Ponzi-scheme metaphor will make the point.

Jonathan Last has already identified a 1967 Newsweek column by liberal economist and Nobel laureate Paul Samuelson as perhaps the earliest use of the Social Security/Ponzi-scheme comparison in public argument. Samuelson was actually drawing on the Ponzi analogy to defend Social Security. His claim was that the perpetual succession of human generations establishes the conditions for a sustainable Ponzi scheme. Regardless of whether Samuelson was the first commentator to use the Ponzi analogy, he has clearly been the most influential. Policy briefs and books churned out by conservative think tanks such as Heritage and Cato have cited Samuelson’s Ponzi column for years. This is likely how the comparison made its way into public debate.

Samuelson’s idea that Social Security could best be understood as an enduring and rational Ponzi scheme grew out of his “overlapping-generations model,” introduced in a seminal 1958 paper. Samuelson’s model implied that public debt in general, and Social Security in particular, could be financed over successive generations without major tax increases. In the 1980s, Samuelson’s overlapping-generations model was seized upon by Keynesian economists to serve as a microeconomic foundation for their favored theories and plans.

The unfortunate weakness of Samuelson’s model is its assumption that a growing economy will produce continual population increase. In an April 1978 follow-up in Newsweek to his original 1967 column, Samuelson acknowledged that demographic reality was disproving this assumption. Samuelson repeated his use of the Ponzi analogy and continued to defend his hopes for Social Security as best he could. While Samuelson hung onto some slim indications in 1977 that U.S. fertility might be on the upswing, it grew increasingly clear to critics that the post–Baby Boom decline in births was not going to be reversed. Increasingly, Samuelson’s Ponzi-scheme analogy was seized upon by those who doubted Social Security’s long-term soundness. Continued


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: economy; perry; perry2012; ponzischeme; retirement
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-50 last
To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

41 posted on 09/12/2011 5:56:15 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Flotsam_Jetsome

True enough but the “Gentle Man” has become courser — not like the man who spoke to the nation after the Challenger accident — who comforted the nation, celebrated the astronauts and their endeavors (mentioned God) and encouraged children to excel, to follow their example and live their dreams.

It’s different now and we need to wake up those who have forgotten (or were never taught), and explain what losing that “Gentle Man” means to them and the world.


42 posted on 09/12/2011 6:11:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: samtheman
Maybe at the next debate Perry should say: "The truth? You want the truth? You can't handle the truth."


43 posted on 09/12/2011 6:14:28 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Cincinatus' Wife
Rick Perry has said that Social Security must be "fixed." In that, he has finally faced reality.

No one--NO ONE--in government today or who will be elected as a majority in government tomorrow will be able, or even willing, to end Social Security. Anyone trying to do so will be tossed out of office.

It will be finagled, it will be juggled, it will be adjusted, but it will never be ended. The American people will not accept ending SS and will not elect anyone who suggests the same.

Not Rick Perry, not Sarah Palin, not Ron Paul, not Michele Bachmann, not Herman Cain, not Newt Gingrich, not Mark Rubio . . . none of them will ever suggest ending SS.

Social Security has become a part of the American culture and psyche and thus will never be ended.

That is precisely why we must eliminate Obama care NOW. Once a huge entitlement becomes part of the culture and relied upon by a plurality of the population, it can never be undone.
44 posted on 09/12/2011 6:18:46 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Cincinatus' Wife
The unfortunate weakness of Samuelson’s model is its assumption that a growing economy will produce continual population increase. In an April 1978 follow-up in Newsweek to his original 1967 column, Samuelson acknowledged that demographic reality was disproving this assumption. Samuelson repeated his use of the Ponzi analogy and continued to defend his hopes for Social Security as best he could. While Samuelson hung onto some slim indications in 1977 that U.S. fertility might be on the upswing, it grew increasingly clear to critics that the post–Baby Boom decline in births was not going to be reversed. Increasingly, Samuelson’s Ponzi-scheme analogy was seized upon by those who doubted Social Security’s long-term soundness.

So, in other words, the leftist 'Save the Earth by killing off it's Human infection' crowd has now doomed Social Security.

Liberals are truly the cause of every disaster in the world.

45 posted on 09/12/2011 6:22:10 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cincinatus' Wife
Here is an article. I don't believe we are allowed to post USA Today on it's own thread due to USAToday's demands...

Rick Perry: I am going to be honest with the American people

46 posted on 09/12/2011 7:17:29 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bachmann needs to turn in her Tea Pary membership card.

I want blunt talk and people that will face issues head on.

Instead, it looks like Bachmann has decided to go the “scare the grannys” route and demigogue the issue, which is the formula for never fixing the problem. Sorry, I’ve had enough of that from Democrats and RINOs.


47 posted on 09/12/2011 8:13:32 AM PDT by Brookhaven
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Brookhaven

CNN’s just released poll has Bachmann at 4% (down from 10% two weeks ago).


48 posted on 09/12/2011 8:19:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: shield

Thank You!


49 posted on 09/12/2011 8:24:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Cincinatus' Wife

BTTT!


50 posted on 09/12/2011 6:54:28 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-50 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson