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McCain: Torture hurt us
Politico ^ | 2011-09-11 | Abby Phillip

Posted on 09/12/2011 8:26:04 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

Sen. John McCain, a critic of President George W. Bush's use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” in the war on terror, reflected on the “issue of torture” a decade after the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

“Abu Ghraib and the torture of prisoners hurt us a great deal and did provide a propaganda tool for our enemies including Al Qaeda,” the Arizona Republican said on "Fox News Sunday."

Noting that on the 10th anniversary of those attacks he did not want to dwell on his differences with the current and previous administration, McCain applauded both Bush and President Barack Obama for the advancements made in the war on terror.

“Many of the things that we did achieve were very laudable,” McCain said. The United States now has “vastly improved capabilities” to combat our enemies.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 10thanniversary; 911; abughraib; bastards; gitmo; guantanamobay; mccain; mccain4alqaeda; mccain4jihad; mccain4terrorists; mccaintruthfile; mcinsane; mclame; mcnuts; mcstain; torture; wot
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To: rabscuttle385

Thank you John McCain for your military service to your country and for giving Sarah Palin the VP nod.

Your work is done. Please retire.


41 posted on 09/12/2011 3:17:40 PM PDT by UnChained (The "stimulus" CAUSED the economy to tank.)
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To: rabscuttle385
“Abu Ghraib and the torture of prisoners hurt us a great deal and did provide a propaganda tool for our enemies including Al Qaeda,”...

and the New York Times and the Democratic Party.

42 posted on 09/12/2011 3:23:06 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: rabscuttle385

I am late in the game on this thread. First I saw it. What the hell is he spouting. Now for real he is trash. God he would suck as President along with Obama.


43 posted on 09/12/2011 3:54:20 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: rabscuttle385

Can I have my vote back. Seriously I know I voted for Sarah like everyone else but this guy just plain sucks!!!!


44 posted on 09/12/2011 3:55:15 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: rabscuttle385

Yes McLame torture does hurt so please stop torturing me!


45 posted on 09/12/2011 3:55:41 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: o2bfree

I’ve heard other guys who were POWs with McCain say that when he was dragged back to his cell after being tortured he was so badly beaten he was unable to move.


46 posted on 09/12/2011 4:00:19 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Rytas
I apologize for voting for him but there was no other way to vote for Sarah.

It's called a write-in vote.

No excuses.

47 posted on 09/12/2011 4:20:04 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=2881

Excerpts:

Poe: Yes, but McCain has a long history of collusion with the Shadow Party.

During the 2000 presidential campaign, Soros sponsored two so-called “Shadow Conventions,” held at the same time and in the same cities as the Republican and Democratic Conventions, in Philadelphia and Los Angeles respectively. Their purpose was to promote campaign finance reform. John McCain gave the keynote speech at the Philadelphia “Soros Convention” (as columnist Robert Novak dubbed it), while Russ Feingold did so at the LA event.

McCain’s service to the Shadow Party brought him financial benefits. In 2001, McCain founded the Reform Institute for Campaign and Election Issues. The Institute’s major funders were mostly leftwing foundations. Prominent among them was George Soros’ Open Society Institute.

Poe: As I said, the McCain-Feingold Act was a Trojan Horse. It made the Shadow Party possible. Among other things, it forced the Democratic Party into a financial crisis, enabling Soros to swoop in and buy up the Party at a bargain-basement price.

Democrats have traditionally relied on large, soft-money donations from unions, while Republicans relied more on small, “hard-money” donations from mom-and-pop donors. When McCain-Feingold outlawed soft-money donations to the parties, Republicans were not unduly hampered, but Democrats flew into a panic. They faced the real possibility of bankruptcy.

Enter George Soros. After forcing the Democrats into a fiscal crisis, he then offered to rescue them. He set up a network of non-profit, “issue-advocacy” groups – the Shadow Party – and invited all the big Democrat donors to contribute to his network. Thus they could still contribute to the Democrat cause, but without giving directly to the Party. The Party became dependent on Soros to raise campaign contributions which the law now forbade the Party itself to raise.


48 posted on 09/12/2011 4:20:52 PM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH
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To: DuncanWaring

“..after being tortured he was so badly beaten he was unable to move.”

That’s true and it explains his views even if he is dead wrong on waterboarding. He is a RINO jerk!


49 posted on 09/12/2011 4:46:45 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (I have a liberal arts degree, do you want fries with that?)
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To: rabscuttle385
Enhanced interrogation helped us.

Calling it toture hurt us.

50 posted on 09/12/2011 5:13:33 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: rabscuttle385

The difference between waterboarding and John McCain is that waterboarding does have an end point. John McCain’s television appearances do not.


51 posted on 09/12/2011 5:46:22 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: rabscuttle385

John McCain: be quiet. You had your shot at it and got beat. You were so inept, many of us thought you actually wanted to lose.


52 posted on 09/12/2011 5:47:51 PM PDT by Rapscallion (The majority of democrats (50%+) pay no income taxes.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Will McCain never go away? So McCain thinks if we didn’t scare the ragheads a little bit they would have renounced their oft stated intent to kill, enslave or convert all infidels. Pure lunacy. McCain is a lunatic. We used to lock those people up.

I’ll say this though, what ever that poor excuse of a man is smoking must be really good s***.


53 posted on 09/12/2011 5:58:16 PM PDT by dools0007world
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To: luvbach1

I do not believe he endured much torture because his father was a US Senator. N. Vietnamese even offered to trade him back to the US. To his credit he declined. It all goes down hill from there as far as I’m concerned with him.

Did you know he’s the jerk who mistakenly fired a missle on the deck of the Ticonderoga while awaiting take off? Killed and injured many sailors and did lots of damage to the ship and its air arm. I also think the damage to his face most likely happened when he ejected after his plane was hit by an enemy missile or when he was captured on landing.


54 posted on 09/12/2011 6:09:09 PM PDT by dools0007world
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To: o2bfree

I cannot stand McCain or his politics- beginning with the Keating episode. That said, he cannot raise either of his arms above shoulder level due to permanent injuries he suffered at the hands of the North Viets. He was indeed tortured, and beaten repeatedly— and attempted suicide but was stopped by the guards. He was put in solitary for two years.

All these things add up in a person to tearing down their inner self. And it shows in his attitude toward ANY kind of forceful means to get critical intel. He needs to retire. He was a jonah in the Navy and is one now.


55 posted on 09/12/2011 6:10:46 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: dools0007world

You have this completely wrong. Suggest you look up the official report from Naval Institute Proceedings.

On the USS Forrestal, John McCain was sitting in his fully armed & fueled A-4 Skyhawk, in rotation for launch, next to an A-4 piloted by LCDR Fred White. White’s A-4 was struck by a Zuni rocket fired accidentally from an F-4 Phantom across the deck. The rocket launcher assembly on the F-4 had an electrical safety pin with a flag on it, notorious for flying off in the wind on deck. So, when the power on the F-4 was switched over to internal power, the safety pin did not prevent a power surge, and this fired the rocket.

White’s plane was hit by the rocket and his fuel tanks ignited- the rocket did not explode-it punctured the tanks and they caught. The impact also dislodged 2 1K lb. bombs onto the flaming fuel. LCDR White was killed when a bomb cooked off from the fire. McCain’s plane was surrounded by the fire, just prior to this explosion, and he climbed out of the cockpit, over the nose and then out onto the refueling probe to escape. McCain’s plane and armament then blew up completely leaving a crater in the deck.

The fire team chief and the first wave of firefighters were killed instantly in the explosion. McCain just barely escaped his own plane’s explosion.

John McCain did not fire ANY missile. And the ship was the USS Forrestal, NOT the Ticonderoga.

I can’t stand McCain, but you should get things factually correct. He was also repeatedly tortured, hung by his arms from behind his back to where he could never again raise his arms above his shoulders. He was also put in solitary for two years and his hair turned white from poor nutrition. His problem is his experiences and trying to conflate them with our effective waterboarding of islamofascists. Good Night.


56 posted on 09/12/2011 6:55:09 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: rabscuttle385

I agree with McCain here. (Can’t believe I said that.)

Torture is un-American (8th Amendment, anyone?).

Also un-American is sending our boys into a war zone with an RoE that a local police department would chafe at.

The two are not unconnected.


57 posted on 09/12/2011 6:58:35 PM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: NonValueAdded

Crap!

I’ve been trying to write those exact words for 10 years!

Thank You for speaking my mind.


58 posted on 09/12/2011 7:01:38 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I Stand With Sarah!)
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To: indylindy

LOL!

Yours or mine?


59 posted on 09/12/2011 7:02:50 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I Stand With Sarah!)
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To: Randy Larsen

The rule is that they must be freshly washed. LOL


60 posted on 09/12/2011 7:06:28 PM PDT by dforest
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