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Perry comes under fire at the CNN/Tea Party Debate
CNN ^ | 9/12/11 | Peter Hamby

Posted on 09/12/2011 7:57:15 PM PDT by Kartographer

Edited on 09/12/2011 8:50:42 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Sonny M

You dare not say “big tent.”

But let’s face it ... there was no Free Republic then, either... both of my parents were alive ... and my father worked for him...

Everyone’s polarized. He would take the best from the best and ignore the rest.

And on Free Republic, that’s what I do.

I don’t bear anyone ill will. I read the posts and take the wisdom and leave the stupidity alone (most of the time.)

Sometimes I just laugh at the flame wars.

Reagan dealt with having to understand that socialism is with us. (It’s more vocal now)... and Reagan dealt with people telling him that he should never negotiate with the USSR because you could never trust them.

I really don’t see a Reagan out there. We NEED a Reagan ... or a candidate that will consult Reagan-era trusted or trained voices.

I know a few.


161 posted on 09/12/2011 10:13:27 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: DRey
we will have to agree to disagree...mandates about sexual transmission of a particular cancer to a 12 year old that is not having sex, is the government going too far again. My daughter never was vaccinated against small pox. When I took her in she was running a low grade fever and the pediatrician said no he would not give it....he went farther and said unless she leaves the country, she would never need to have the vaccination as the possible side effects were greater than the chance of getting small pox because the US had not had a case of small pox in a couple of decades....with all the illegal immigrants and legal ones from the 3rd world I don't know what the status is now...Immigrants were usually examined before they were allow out of Ellis island. Those that had diseases were turned back....that rule made too much sense for some politicians and it is no longer mandatory... She is over 40 and has never had a small pox vaccine..
162 posted on 09/12/2011 10:13:35 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: CodeToad
I'm unclear about this "opt out" option you reference.

Are you implying that Perry implemented policies that violate civil rights and people can "opt out"?

I'm unclear what you mean by "haters". You mean like Rush haters, Hannity haters, or perhaps MORMON haters? What 'bout Islam haters?

Perhaps we should talk 'bout the Niger haters, Chink haters, Jap hater, Kraut haters, or idigenious American aborigene hater, et ali. Is this any different than West Side Story?

WTF. The only thing different - AFAICS - are the dance moves.

163 posted on 09/12/2011 10:22:26 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: Marty62

” His mistake was not checking with Abbott to find out if he Constitutionally COULD sign such an order. “

You’re saying that using the authority the voters of Texas entrusted him with to push a dangerous experimental drug on their kids was something he didn’t know was wrong already? He really needed a lawyer?


164 posted on 09/12/2011 10:25:16 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: altura

He really needs to polish his debate skills. I am trying to keep an open mind about him - not rallying around anyone just yet. But in the last two debates he just doesn’t come off as a Leader and take charge guy, like say Newt has been doing.


165 posted on 09/12/2011 10:26:09 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: DRey

So you are OK with forcing a 1,000,000+ teen girls take a vaccine that may or may not work, which more than likely has side effects for something that might effect .12 percent of them?

You sound like those people who want to ban peanut butter from a school because one kids is allergic to it!


166 posted on 09/12/2011 10:27:35 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
I'm curious if you are emoting on that issue.

What are the objective numbers? Don't bandy about numbers without empirical support.

Cite Zero's numbers concerning Exec Orders, and graph them aginst his peers.

The American electorate may be intellectually dull - but they are not collectively stupid - and so your insight may save us from devastation.

I beg you to share the source of your insight.

167 posted on 09/12/2011 10:29:07 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: Kartographer
You sound like a deranged lunatic. Got Paul?

I intended on "opting out" for my daughter. That was my decision if the vaccine was ever actually required. It never was.
168 posted on 09/12/2011 10:33:26 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: varina davis
' What a joke that so many are looking for the “perfect” GOP candidate. Not going to happen. Rick Perry is as close as it gets... '

Then we're screwed.

169 posted on 09/12/2011 10:35:44 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: tarotsailor

I agree we are done for.


170 posted on 09/12/2011 10:36:46 PM PDT by Brimack34 (Tea party will not settle)
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To: kara2008
"I didn't excerpt one word from the CNN article. I excerpted Michelle Malkin and attributed her in my comment before the excerpt from her article. (Michelle Malkin source article). Can I re-post my comment or can you restore it? Thanks"

You're joking, right? Please tell us that you don't really believe that removing one word makes for an excerpt.

Proper excerpts of articles which contain 600 words or less need at least half removed with no continuation in the thread.

Proper excerpts of articles greater in length than 600 words should only have 300 words upon final posting with no continuation in the thread.

Answering your questions: No. And No.

171 posted on 09/12/2011 10:37:57 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: goat granny

I haven’t had the smallpox vaccine either. And now I have eczema so can never have it. I certainly wish my mother had fought for me.


172 posted on 09/12/2011 10:38:33 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: DRey

Sorry to disappoint you but Paul isn’t my cup of Tea. If Perry is so great do us all a favor and keep him as your Governor.


173 posted on 09/12/2011 10:40:50 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I would be happy to keep him as our governor. Unfortunately, we need him more as our president right now. We’ll be SOL for a while finding his replacement.


174 posted on 09/12/2011 10:42:07 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: tarotsailor
We've ALWAYS been screwed from a "perfect' perspective. That's been clearly exposited in Genesis. Recent developments ase some sort of revelation to ya, eh?

I'm unconvinced that Perry is as close as it gets to the "perfect" oonservative presidential candidate. I have time to make up MY mind; the entire American electorate also does.

You believe the United States of America is screwed if the owerwhelming majority of electorate do not hold tha same opionion as yourself (or those in various states of agreement with yourself).

175 posted on 09/12/2011 10:42:41 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: raygun

I mean exactly the same thing as if GM came out with the Yugo and said that the Yugo wàs the best they could do. I would then say GM was screwed.

If Perry is the best leader our country can produce, prepare the next generation for diminished expectations.


176 posted on 09/12/2011 11:07:42 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: tarotsailor

You want to hunker down back-to-back with our weapons out and ask each other what up?


177 posted on 09/12/2011 11:12:26 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: D-fendr

” I don’t get it either. The vaccine does work, kids have to be vaccinated now (it was a lot worse when I was a kid), and there was to be an opt out. “

Gardasil is the vaccine promoted as protection against various types of cervical cancer supposedly caused by the HPV virus, and obviously is intended for other purposes. Even with the number of deaths and injury from the vaccine the ads ran non-stop on TV while state and federal governments tried to find ever newer and more invasive ways of making mandatory vaccination a reality. They got their wish; Obamacare calls for mandatory vaccination and proof of updates to vaccinations in order to get any healthcare.

Neither, Gardasil® nor any of the individual active ingredients have been previously approved for commercial marketing or use under the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, the Public Health Service Act, or the Virus-Serum-Toxin Act, according to their application for patent.

Gardasil! It isn’t just for the girls!

In 2010 Merck was still waiting for the blessings of FDA to make mandatory their Gardasil vaccine for boys. As recently as November 2010, FDA was thinking of changing the terminology for male Gardasil from “Mandatory” to “Recommended”; after all, we’re dealing with the family jewels here and these are far more important than a few dead ovaries. But approval did come after the male version of Gardasil was tested on 602 young men from the ages of 9 to 26. (I can’t help but wonder how many of these young men knew they were being tested with this deadly vaccine).

Please note in this next article that Gardasil has been expanded to include far more than cervical cancer and includes the observation that “HPV is THOUGHT to be the cause”…not, is the cause or, we know it’s the cause, or we can prove conclusively, or there is substantial evidence,…they just think it could be. This is a broad and vague claim and totally without any conclusive supporting evidence.

Med Page Today:

WASHINGTON — An FDA advisory panel has expressed its support for expanding the indication on the quadrivalent human papillomavirus recombinant vaccine Gardasil to prevent anal intraepithelial neoplasia and anal cancer in males and females ages 9 through 26.

Gardasil was approved in 2006 to prevent genital warts and cervical, vulvar, and vaginal cancer in females ages 9 to 26; the vaccine’s indication was expanded in 2009 to include prevention of genital warts in males of that age range.

FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee agreed that the three-dose vaccine should also be used to prevent anal intraepithelial neoplasia and anal cancer caused by HPV strains 6, 11, 16, and 18. HPV is thought to be the cause of 90% of anal cancers.”

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In 2008 Merck planned the expansion of Gardasil injections targeting young boys and says the most important new opportunity for the vaccine will be for its use in males. (Merck claims: The vaccine could help prevent males from contracting Human Papilloma virus and spreading it to females through sexual contact.) Merck was on track to seek approval for use in males by the end of 2008 and of course now they have approval. And how many of the deaths and other injuries to young boys and men will go under-reported while MERCK profits?

Gardasil was never tested for cancer causing agents or proof of cancer prevention. It still has not been tested or proven to prevent cervical cancer or any of the other afflictions it claims to prevent. They just “think” it might.

In the interim, Merck’s sales of Gardasil have plummeted beginning back in 2007. Merck claims the reason was that women and girls forgot to go back for the second and third shots.

“We have put in place substantial reminder programs that allow them to improve the ability to remember to go back to the second and third dose. So, we’re doing it by mail, we’re doing it by e-mail, we’re doing it by text messages, and a variety of different technologies to be able to make sure [that] they get to their second, and third doses.”

Only they didn’t come back. Many who received the first shots suffered from partial paralysis, seizures, fevers, muscle spasms and a host of other symptoms. Although every effort was made by Merck and the CDC to squash or minimalize any adverse event reporting, the stories leaked out and the news wasn’t good. The CDC as of 2010 had posted these responses to Gardasil among hundreds of adverse events:

Examples:

“Pt had unwitnessed seizure on 5/21/09. H/O probable seizure activity in the past 6 wks. After seizure, pt has had complaint of headache, dizziness, weakness, balance difficulty. 7/6/09 MR received for DOS 5/21-24/2009 with D/C DX: Seizure. Headache. Pt presented to ER after episode of unresponsiveness with limb flexion, staring, and fall. Disoriented with slurred speech, inappropriate affect, weakness, tiredness and severe H/A after. Recent episodes of involuntary fluttering of R hand. Started on Depakote.

(Depakote is a psychotropic drug used for bi-polar disorder)

Body aches, fatigue, blisters inside mouth, swollen glands, sores on lips and gums, swollen lips were also reported in many cases.”

The VAER report (Vaccine Adverse Event Report) is populated with reports of seizures, fainting, involuntary flailing of limbs, rashes, fevers, paralysis, vomiting, muscle contractions, ringing in the ears, blurred vision, and many other symptoms which appeared immediately after the first injection of Gardasil. It will be years before we know the long term and most likely devastating effects of this killer vaccine.

Gardasil contains extremely high levels of aluminum and polysorbate 80, a known cause of sterility in lab tests on mice, and also known to cause sterility in humans. High levels of other neurotoxic chemicals and the presence of thimerisol, a derivitive of mercury is said to be present although MERCK continues to deny that allegation.

Thanks to the Vaccine Liability Fund, funded in whole by US taxpayers, MERCK will never be held responsible or liable for the deaths and injuries they have caused and instead will simply add up the billions in profits while taxpayers foot the bill for the damages.

Cynthia Janek wrote an article in 2006 for the New American called “FDA and HPV….when did they know?….(follow up). Janek’s research revealed:

“ …the FDA knew back in 2003 that a HPV is not the actual cause of cervical cancer. The actual cause is a ‘persistent HPV infection that may act as a tumor promoter in cancer induction.’”

“What we have here is proof that there is scientific evidence that has been published in the past 15 years that states that HPV infection does not bear a direct relationship to the forming of cervical cancer. It also tells us that HPV, if allowed to will be taken care of by our own body’s natural processes. . .“most infections are short-lived and not associated with cervical cancer.” With this being said, why do we need Gardasil when our own body is more than capable of eradicating HPV?

What we need is a government policy to assist women with the cost of getting follow-up tests when persistent HPV infection is present. This would make more sense and our government would save so much money on these types of programs instead of $360 each for the Gardasil vaccination.” MERCK applied to the FDA for approval of the vaccine to be used on older women.”

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As MERCK can produce not one independent test trial that proves the link between HPV and cervical cancer, and has even less evidence that Gardasil in fact will prevent any form of cervical cancer, one might think the FDA would have no hesitation in denying access to the market for this lethal vaccine. Oh! We could only dream! The FDA, noted for its funding by the same companies who seek their approval, was dragging its feet, but gave its approval of the extended vaccine in 2010.

As the FDA states with regards to many pharmaceuticals, death is an acceptable side affect. Acceptable to whom? MERCK? Now that the male version of the vaccine is on the market, I believe all males at MERCK and followed by everyone at the FDA should receive the initial doses. We should vaccinate all their children too…….we don’t need successive generations of genocidal monsters.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/janak/071220


178 posted on 09/12/2011 11:15:49 PM PDT by tarotsailor
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To: tarotsailor

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/hpv/vac-faqs.htm


179 posted on 09/12/2011 11:26:22 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: tarotsailor
Pretty decent rebuttal. I'm going to go with:
As the FDA states with regards to many pharmaceuticals, death is an acceptable side affect.
Dunno if I believe that's worth $5 million. You mean for death of an infant (or what)?

Get 'em to sign a paper for that amount (to be paid in perpetuity). You could start there, and then throw the other crap into their face.

You don't need me to be THERE to hold you hand, eh?

Ya know, when I was an infant I came down with measles: German - hard - meaasles and I nearly died. The school system insisted that I get immunized for measles.

You do what you have to do...

One THING: my folks never allowed me to be immunized for measles.

180 posted on 09/12/2011 11:29:12 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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