Opposing HPV Vaccine "Unethical" - M.D. Anderson Cancer Center President

Texas Tribune ^ | September 13, 2011 | Reeve Hamilton

[MEG33]

Bless your heart.

[Politicalmom]

I’ll visit a cancer patient when he visits my 27 year old nephew, who was severely damaged by a DPT shot. He functions at the level of a three year old, doesn’t speak, and has a terrible seizure disorder because of a vaccine.

Nobody decides what’s “ethical” for my family but me.

[icanhasbailout]

You seem to be addressing someone else’s argument, I am talking about the ethics of the doctor quoted in the article.

[wolfcreek]

I didn't say all children or even 10 yr. olds and my daughters are now 27 and 30. They know way more than you or I on that subject and I trust them explicitly.

You know what DO, I'm sick of listening to you SP koolaide drinkers. We've got an election to win here.

For the sake of our online friendship, maybe we shouldn't discuss politics until we have a nominee.And if you can't line up behind that person, maybe not even then.

[MEGoody]

I am thinking one can be exposed to HPV even after marriage.

It is true that life is not full of guarantees. Doesn't change my position, however. Guardasil should be given to children by choice of the parents, not the state.

[bvw]

Dittos!

[MEGoody]

Man I am so sick od these parents today that think taking care of their children and the issues that come up everyday is just to much to deal with.

So you'd be fine with Michelle Obama dictating to you how you should feed your children, how much to feed them, and how much exercise you must make sure they get everyday - just as long as you had the ability to fill out a form to "opt out"?

Is there anything at all you think is over the line for the government to require as long as you have the ability to actively "opt out"?

[Marty62]

Obviously you missed my point.

Parents have abdicated their rights to the school to the State to the Feds.

If (horror) they might have to actually raise their children WITHOUT some beauracrat telling them what to do most would roll up in the fetal position.

I was watching AFV and they had a vid of a little boy that lost a camera. His sister asked him what was wrong. He said Mommy is going to kill me. He kept saying it over and over.

I thought my word what have we done to our children.
If they manage to survive the womb, do they have to spend their childhood worried that Mommy/Daddy will kill them?

How we have destroyed our own house.
Not unlike Rioters that destroy their own neighborhood.

[DoughtyOne]

I didn't say all children or even 10 yr. olds and my daughters are now 27 and 30. They know way more than you or I on that subject and I trust them explicitly.

I believe we were talking about the need to innoculate early, addressing the ten year olds.  You told me that your daughters gave you the scoop, and didn't address a change in age range.  What was I supposed to think?

You know what DO, I'm sick of listening to you SP koolaide drinkers. We've got an election to win here.

I'm not a Palin Koolaide drinker, but I do find it amusing that a Perry Koolaide drinker would lecture someone on the topic of Koolaide drinking.  If Koolaide drinking and won elections were all we concerned oursives with, Social Security would have been fixed between January 21st, 2001, and December 31st, 2006.  So would a lot of other things.  I do not want a repeat of that, and Perry is simply worthless.

For the sake of our online friendship, maybe we shouldn't discuss politics until we have a nominee.And if you can't line up behind that person, maybe not even then.

Okay Wolfcreek, that's fine with me.  That doesn't mean that if I happen to stumble across something you have said that I disagree with, I won't make a comment.

If I agree with you, I might also say something.

[federal__reserve]

Guardasil should be given to children by choice of the parents, not the state.

Not just Gardasil, but also for school choice, nutrition at home & school and prayer in school.

However I would make an exception for vaccinations to prevent contagious diseases.

[MEGoody]

Agree.

[af_vet_rr]

I am not sure what you are arguing, but Rush said this morning that the Perry actions did not constitute crony capitalism nor were they a pay to play or other type of illegal action and that Bachman and Palin were wrong to make that insinuation.

It's not about the $5,000, it's about the fact that Merck hired Perry's good friend, legal advisor, and former Chief of Staff Mike Toomey as a lobbyist, and that Perry then signed an order that was going to make Merck millions.

If Rahm Emanuel had left his position as the White House Chief of Staff and went to work as a lobbyist for Merck, and Obama then signed an executive order that stood to make Merck millions, Rush would definitely have a problem with it.

[BuckeyeTexan]

I accused you of trying to use Saul Alinsky tactics against me. Which, of course, you did -although, so far, it’s been a major flop.

Of course it was a flop. That was the whole point. Texans are interested in picking fights with non-Texan FReepers. I didn't ask fellow Texans to "get you." I pinged them to your rant about how arrogant and obnoxious we Texans supposedly are and even when goaded Texans didn't gang up on you.

So your original claim is bunk. Texans don't roam around FR ganging up on non-Texans. If you ever encounter such behavior, ping me. Until then, high school is out.

BTW, congratulations on that win in NY!

[BuckeyeTexan]

are interested = aren’t interested

[ichabod1]

Well, I’m going through the refresher course to get my human subjects research certificate renewed.

There IS controversy and debate about the influence of big Pharma’s profit motive on medicine. And I think a Merck bought president of MD Anderson would be a problem. However, I don’t KNOW that President Pinho is bought and paid for. I probably was talking out the wrong end on that one. Moreover, I think a great deal of the rabid anti-pharma sentiment is misplaced - they’re doing like they’ve done with energy - someone does something stupid, or careless, or illegal and instead of focusing on the offender, and looking for others, they try to shut down the whole industry.

Anyway, no hard feelings I hope.

[Liberty Valance]

[Mase]

No hard feelings at all.

You're absolutely right about the rabid anti-pharma sentiment. The drug industry has done some unfortunate things but, in most cases, they've done these things because of some government interference. Government would love to kill the golden goose. That would be a travesty. Too many folks who call themselves conservative support policies that would ensure the demise of this industry. The US is one of the last markets where the drug industry can make a profit. Profit drives innovation. I want more innovation, not less. Price controlled markets do not produce new drugs. That's why so many of all the new drug discoveries happen here in the USA.

The problem, whatever it might be, will always stem from government, not industry. Thanks for the debate.