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On Immigration, Rick Perry Takes Heat for Texas DREAM Act
Los Angeles Times ^ | Sept. 12, 2011

Posted on 09/13/2011 1:35:12 PM PDT by T.L.Sink

Perry, who signed a Texas version of the DREAM Act (which allows young people in the country illegally to pay in-state tuition at public colleges and universities) drew several rounds of boos when he defended this policy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; dream; illegals; perry; rino
After the debate, on Greta's Fox program both Bachmann and Palin hammered Perry for having a chief of staff who was a lobbyist for Merck pharmaceutical which provided the mandated medicine to young girls for cervical cancer prevention.
1 posted on 09/13/2011 1:35:14 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

Yeah, and they were both wrong and are getting their butts kicked for it also.


2 posted on 09/13/2011 1:42:28 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: T.L.Sink

The Gardasil issue is not an issue at all. Perry called it a mistake and he’s entitled to make a mistake from time to time. There is no perfect politician and there is no perfect conservative. Bachmann’s reaction in the debate last night was way over the top. Palin’s support of Bachmann reaction was piling on, imo.

The Texas Dream Act is a problem for Perry. Perry not supporting a fence along the entire border is a much bigger problem.

Obama getting a second term is reaches critical mass.

If it remains Romney v Perry, I will not be voting for Willard.


3 posted on 09/13/2011 1:55:09 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: T.L.Sink

Perry’s stance on immigration is troubling and should be questioned. I have my own concerns with what his plans would be as President regarding immigration. Of course, as governor for 11 years in a border state, I’m guessing his position on it is a bit more realistic than the “build a fence” nonsense.

Plus, this Gardisil “pay-for-play” silliness is nothing but a distraction.


4 posted on 09/13/2011 1:56:26 PM PDT by Carling (DeMint to Obama: I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter.)
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To: RowdyFFC

I have a strong feeling you were against the mandated vaccine before you were for it. Half of the conservatives on this site are willing to compromise their principles because they believe that the rodeo clown is the great white hope.
Rick is an empty suit and the MSM will tear him up if he wins the nomination.


5 posted on 09/13/2011 1:56:32 PM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: T.L.Sink
Perry is a no-go for me. I live in CA and have first hand knowledge and experience concerning the damage to this country by the invasion of illegals.

Not going to knowingly put anybody in the WH who does anything to support, or reward, the invading hordes.

6 posted on 09/13/2011 2:04:45 PM PDT by onceone
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To: T.L.Sink
Rush and Levin like Perry but they too are having trouble with his being just totally wrong on the illegal alien invasion issue. Especially his giving illegal (what part of "illegal" does the Gov fail to understand?) aliens privileges supposedly reserved for Texans.
Rush advises Perry to correct this serious problem that could scuttle his chances now because if he back-tracks later it would make him seem an insincere opportunist.
7 posted on 09/13/2011 2:09:19 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Count to ten when dealing with fools--with liberals make it twenty.")
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To: T.L.Sink

If the conservative movement can’t find a conservative other than a liberal republican that pretends to be a conservative as long as we make excuses for him/her, then we are over.

You all whoop it all up. We are all hat and no cattle.


8 posted on 09/13/2011 2:10:19 PM PDT by dforest
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To: onceone
Not going to knowingly put anybody in the WH who does anything to support, or reward, the invading hordes.

I suspect on primary election day, you will be writing in:

None of the above

9 posted on 09/13/2011 2:16:40 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Happy Rain; onceone

You guys make good points. We don’t need another Texas waffler on illegal immigration in the form of a Bush-lite. That Comprehensive Immigration (a/k/a amnesty) bill eroded the conservative base and helped give us Obama.


10 posted on 09/13/2011 2:18:50 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: onceone
Perry is a no-go for me. I live in CA and have first hand knowledge and experience concerning the damage to this country by the invasion of illegals.

Not going to knowingly put anybody in the WH who does anything to support, or reward, the invading hordes.

Agreed...although I don't trust or believe any of the candidates will do the right thing on illegal immigration. There will be a faux attempt at securing the border...and a decree from all the governors of the border states that their state is "secure" (after some efforts to build fences in some areas and other "technological" monitoring). After that is done, amnesty will be granted under the guise that the border is now secure and we won't have to go thru the charade again (similar to 1986). The fix is in, and the Republicans have little stomach to deal with things because they fear the so-called hispanic vote.

11 posted on 09/13/2011 2:26:44 PM PDT by Azzurri
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To: thackney
I suspect on primary election day, you will be writing in: None of the above

That remains to be seen.

12 posted on 09/13/2011 2:28:12 PM PDT by onceone
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To: T.L.Sink
Also,like McCain and Lindsey Graham,Perry called everyone who wants the immigration laws strictly enforced a racist.

His “because you don't like the sound of his name” is the race card played as well or better than the most liberal Democrat.

13 posted on 09/13/2011 2:29:00 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Count to ten when dealing with fools--with liberals make it twenty.")
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To: indylindy

Absolutely! We need a candidate who has the guts to face and deal with the harsh reality all citizen taxpayers are facing: bankrupt public school districts, insolvent hospitals, ever-rising costs for prison incarceration and bilingualism, and the human and fiscal ravages of the drug cartel. We don’t need someone like Perry who panders to Hispanic illegal lobby for votes.


14 posted on 09/13/2011 2:34:28 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Sarah-bot

Of course I was never FOR the mandated vaccine. I went with my daughter in 2003 (four years before Gardasil was approved) to pick up the papers that allowed her, thanks to Rick Perry’s legislation, to OPT OUT of ANY immunizations she deemed dangerous to her her children. It was a one time opt out, you pick up the papers, signed them and turned them into the school. That way SHE gets to decide what needles are stuck in her children.

She even took the opt out forms to the hospital with her when the next two were born to make sure they checked with her before they stuck needles in her newborns so she could make sure her pediatrician checked them out to be sure they weren’t experiencing any condition that might excerbate with a newborn vaccination.

Because that was the law in 2003, she doesn’t ever have to fill out anymore opt out/out in forms, and she has Rick Perry to thank for that one time opt out also. Since the legislature, after the Gardasil flopaloozalama, opened up the education statutes in 2007, krapped on them, and screwed them all up, NOW parents wanting the opt out/opt in choices have to get a buttload of papers, from the state, not the school, get a doctor’s signature, pay to have their own signatures notarized and send the forms back to the state, not the school, EVERY TWO YEARS!

I don’t have anything against rodeo clowns. One of my best friends, Leon Coffee, is one of the greatest rodeo clowns on the circuit. Finest man you want to know as well as a great athlete. I’d even trust him leading this country before I would Obama.

I guess it’s a good thing that SOME of us, who bother to participate in local county issues dealt with thru the state, that have worked with Governor Perry’s Office for years, know that he too is a good man.

I certainly understand how some pisswad do nothing couch pototato can sit in their chairs and believe all the lies and propaganda put out by the democrats and tote their bucket of horse manure for them.

You ought get up, get around, get to working with your politicians, find out who they really are so you can get rid of some of that paranoia and angst.


15 posted on 09/13/2011 2:36:54 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: Carling

Because of some folks going all wobbly on the fence issue many of us have decided that IT MUST BE A VERY TALL WALL ~ all you do with your criticism is up the anti.


16 posted on 09/13/2011 2:39:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RowdyFFC

Nicely said RowdyFFC, but your words will fall on the deaf ears of the anti-Perry squad.


17 posted on 09/13/2011 2:39:22 PM PDT by magritte
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To: T.L.Sink

“On Immigration, Rick Perry Takes Heat for Texas DREAM Act”

Good. Unless and until he makes an abject apology for his open-border stances and repents of them, he should be booed off any stage he gets on (except, of course, the La Raza stage).


18 posted on 09/13/2011 2:39:29 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn
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To: Reagan Man

They all make mistakes but this was an Obama-scale mistake: ignore the state legislature, appear to be acting on behalf of a staff lobbyist, and give a phony opt-out instead of an opt-in, as Bachmann suggested.


19 posted on 09/13/2011 2:41:56 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Azzurri
At this time I don't trust any of the candidates either. I am waiting to see if this is all there is.

In the mean time, just prepping in case it is.

20 posted on 09/13/2011 2:42:23 PM PDT by onceone
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To: RowdyFFC

If Leon Coffee is your friend, you must have some decent qualities.


21 posted on 09/13/2011 2:46:00 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Happy Rain

“an insincere opportunist”

Ricardo?


22 posted on 09/13/2011 2:50:57 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn
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To: Happy Rain

Great point! That’s the sort of slime-ball political phraseology that implies that all citizens who want our borders enforced are racist. And you’re right to point out that it’s the sort of slander that Gramnesty and others of his ilk have tried to exploit.


23 posted on 09/13/2011 2:52:07 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: thackney

Well, I try...his brother Lawrence has helped me win the many buckles for barrels, calves, and even got me into roping heels for him for awhile. Both fine men and old family friends.


24 posted on 09/13/2011 2:54:45 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: T.L.Sink
instead of an opt-in

I've seen this discussion before, but I don't understand it.

What legislation would be an opt-in besides not doing any legislation?

The vaccine already exists. It is relatively expensive. By requiring it is how we get insurance to pay for it.

25 posted on 09/13/2011 2:54:57 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: T.L.Sink
>>>>>this was an Obama-scale mistake

Okay. In your opinion. Not mine. It was unfortunate that Perry chose the EO route and didn't go through the state legislature. He said that was a mistake and I take him at his word. I don't see crony capitalism, however, and the opt-out clause is just that.

As for Bachmann. I lost a great of respect for her last night. Didn't appreciate her canned answers and political stunts. She continued her attacks today with more speculation. Very unpresidential.

26 posted on 09/13/2011 2:57:33 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: thackney
The vaccine already exists. It is relatively expensive. By requiring it is how we get insurance to pay for it.

Insurance pays? The only way insurance pays is by increasing their premiums on all their customers. The US tax payer was already covering the cost of the vaccine for the 'poor' wild girls.

27 posted on 09/13/2011 2:58:20 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: RowdyFFC

When I finally got my family to go see a rodeo outside of Houston, we are smiled greatly to find Leon there as well.


28 posted on 09/13/2011 2:59:32 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: SharpRightTurn

Right. It just goes to show that the latest unvetted fresh face to get in the race has high poll ratings. But it’s a sad day for conservatives when a Wolf Blitzer shows that he’s in fact just another open-borders amnestyite trying to spin his way out of a public record position that can’t be denied.


29 posted on 09/13/2011 3:12:22 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink
Mark Levin just gave Perry a pretty hard thumbs down over the illegal alien thing—said he was worse than W on it.
30 posted on 09/13/2011 3:13:16 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Count to ten when dealing with fools--with liberals make it twenty.")
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To: T.L.Sink

The only fair thing to do Nationally, is keep illegals out and you don’t do that by giving them freebes and making nice about invasion. You close the borders and ship them out when you find them and punish employer abettors.

However, no Texan can be governor without pandering to Mexicans. That’s a fact.


31 posted on 09/13/2011 9:22:45 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Happy Rain

What a pair! Bush and Perry. I wonder what’s in the drinking water in Texas that Republicans are swallowing!


32 posted on 09/13/2011 9:41:12 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: SaraJohnson

But that’s precisely the difference between LEADERSHIP and being a political panderer. If Perry promotes that policy in his state he’ll pander as president too. It’s a matter of personal character and proclaiming a clear message about what’s right and what’s wrong. Unless Perry actually believes the bull he’s been spreading. He’s either a hypocritical panderer or he’s dead wrong on the issue. Either way, we don’t need that in a president.


33 posted on 09/13/2011 9:54:04 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

Romney will be far worse.


34 posted on 09/13/2011 9:58:16 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: T.L.Sink

Perry claims to know the difference between State power and responsibilities and Federal power and responsibilities under the constitution. So as governor he could do what he did legally - under the constitution. The people of the State dealt with his bad decision on the vacine as is their responsibility under the constitution.

But as President, he could not act as if he is running Texas from on High. He would have to cede to the States decisions that are not in the Federal purview and he would have to enforce immigration law which is one of the few duties of the Fededal government.

So it would behoove him to educate the public about the lost tenth Amendment and how he sees his role as President versus how he sees his role and power as Gov. of Texas.

People are booing his actions as Gov. as if he is going to do those things as President. Maybe he is planning to do that. That is what we need to find out from the candidates.


35 posted on 09/14/2011 6:13:50 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

You make a good point and I’m not disputing the legality of the legislation he sponsored but the fact that such things as the DREAM Act are completely antithetical to conservatism. It’s not the legality but his wisdom that I question. By the way, I love the Tenth Amendment but federal courts have superior jurisdiction over any state law. With respect to the vacine, this definitely gives the appearance of arbitrary rule by fiat. Not only was it mishandled by ignoring the legislature but his chief of staff was a Merck lobbyist. We all know that in politics appearance is often more important than the action itself. I can’t read Perry’s mind but I think that he’s already got too much baggage to be seriously considered as a presidential contender.


36 posted on 09/14/2011 1:04:28 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

I question the wisdom of the Dream Act, too. On one hand, Texas has been invaded big time. The political elite have made clear they will never close the border nor will they export the criminals. So we have all these illegals who are living here since they were small and we are stuck with the problem of assigning them to a permanent under class status or encouraging education and upward mobility.

At the Federal level, this betrayal has to stop. Dealing the States massive populations of illegals, is a crime against the constitution. The Federal government is charged with protecting our borders from invasion.


37 posted on 09/14/2011 5:26:59 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Reagan Man
As long as we are all letting it hang out, Bachmann, as good as she is articulating the issues, is unelectable because she is married to a guy that lisps worse than Liberace and has serious First Dude maybe in the closet problems.

Her attack on the Gardasil issue just shows that she doesn't know how to win a nomination.

And anybody who would work as a lawyer for the IRS is suspect.

Romney is like a vampire that keeps coming back, but his upcoming humiliating defeats in primary after primary ought to exorcise this coward fake con man from a family of fake coward con men from the GOP once and for all.

The communist press is working overtime on digging up dirt on Perry.

The rest of the GOP field ought not to be helping them.

38 posted on 09/14/2011 5:42:26 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Rome2000
>>>>>Romney is like a vampire that keeps coming back

LOL Willard looks like a bloodsucker more and more.

>>>>>The communist press is working overtime on digging up dirt on Perry.
The rest of the GOP field ought not to be helping them.

Agreed. Cain and Newt did not join the attackdogs, however. It was obvious the others displayed desperation on some level. Perry has thrown a scare into the entire GOP establishment. You can see it with the moderate GOP wing, with the Bushies and the McCain clan too.

39 posted on 09/14/2011 6:07:14 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: RowdyFFC

Well said.


40 posted on 09/14/2011 11:36:07 PM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: SaraJohnson

Your argument is the same rationalization (excuse?) that Perry has used: The federal government won’t enforce feseral law so as long as they’re here (illegally) let’s let them horn in on all the benefits that citizens are being taxed billions of dollars for - education in the public schools, medical care in already insolvent hospitals, social welfare benefits, escalating costs for prison incarceration, etc. This is specious reasoning and just compounds a problem which is already out-of-control. Employers who ILLEGALLY employ illegal aliens are no less guilty than a state which gives them public funds such as tutition benefits. The assumption that we should reward criminals in the hope that they will become “upwardly mobile” is inimical to even the most rudimentary concept of American jurisprudence. But when it brings votes, who cares?
Article.IV., Section.4., U.S. Constitution:
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall PROTECT EACH OF THEM AGAINST INVASION.

The reasoning of the amnestyites and open-borders crowd is that since we’re not enforcing federal law and our own constitution, then let’s let the illegals pour in, give them benefits, and add to the debt of an already bankrupt nation! After all, some might become ‘upwardly mobile.’ Not to mention the facts which involve the declining quality of life in America. “Civilizations don’t dies from murder, but by suicide.” - Arnold Toynbee


41 posted on 09/15/2011 5:11:29 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink
I totally agree with you. But you also need to understand Texas in relation to Mexico.

What happens in Texas to people with a conscience is this: They live with Mexico. It is our border state like Ohio is to Kentucky - without the official constitutional designation. If you are “rich” in Texas - rich is relative in this statement - you go over to Mexico and what do you see?

Honest to God, when I was a child and went to Mexico to “shop” with my family (my dad was an officer in the Navy) all of my shopping money was gone before I left the parking area. To see beggars - not like America's healthy shakedown beggars - but people with children who had festering wounds on their amputated stumps and with every bone in their body protruding from starvation because they could not work, begging for food, it was the sight of suffering that was unbearable. So at twelve, I never arrived at the Mexican shopping area on the border with the money my dad gave me for spending on myself because I gave it all away on the way there. I gave away the meals my dad bought for me while we were in Mexico at American designated safe resturants, on the way out.

This is what the elite of Texas deal with. It is what the rest of the country does not understand about Mexico. In fact, it has gotten worse in Mexico. Now they have tortured and mutilated bodies hanging from bridges. And Hamas is part of the glory.

Right or wrong...this is what is real in Texas. No excuses to Perry for screwing up in giving illegals in-state tution, but maybe you understand what Texas governors are dealing with, even while you don't approve. I don't approve and yet, I do understand.

Being who I am, I advocate for the US to take over Mexico and be done with this evil crap. We could use the land and the resources to go with all the people who have had to flee from Mexico's dark horror and oppression. Perry might do that as the cartels move into the US and express themselves. Obama and his friend across the aisle McCain, will accommodate them in hanging us from bridges. Perry, if he's like me, hates the ruling class of Mexico for what they do to their “masses.”

The amoral will make us all slaves of socialist oligarchy like we see in Mexico.

42 posted on 09/15/2011 6:11:20 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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