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Perry Underestimated Merck Donations in Debate
The Corner ^ | 9-13-11 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 09/13/2011 1:59:52 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

When Rick Perry joked last night that the $5,000 he had received from Merck wasn’t enough to buy him off, the line failed to charm the audience as he’d expected. Turns out, the line also significantly low-balled how much he’d received from Merck. “Merck PAC—the company’s D.C.-based political action committee—has given Perry $28,500 since 2001, according to Texas Ethics Commission filings. The bulk of that money came prior to 2007,” the Los Angeles Times reports today. Even so, that doesn’t make Merck one of Perry’s top donors: the LA Times notes that he’s received over the years donations totaling more than six figures from over 200 sources.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bigpharma; captaingardasil; corporatecronyism; gardisil; perry; rinorick; vaccines
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1 posted on 09/13/2011 2:00:01 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

That $2850. per year. OMG...THE HORROR, THE HORROR.


2 posted on 09/13/2011 2:02:12 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Is there no end to his strategic fund raising abilities?

Surely he has been chosen by God for such times as these.


3 posted on 09/13/2011 2:04:02 PM PDT by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Ya know I appreciate the New York Tiomes, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, and other liberal newspapers and Media for all of these fine investigative reports on Rick Perry

But where were they 2 1/2 years ago when Obama needed investigating? Where are they now when Obama needs investigating. We still don’t know Obma grades in college, his thesis, How he got toPakistan and we don’t know about his affairs with his room mate when he was in college.

They don’t mind digging for dirt against Republicans, but they are mute about our Muslim in Chief.


4 posted on 09/13/2011 2:07:34 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: afraidfortherepublic

He raised over $39,000,000 for the 2010 campaign, and some are trying to smear him over $2850/year.

It’s ridiculous, and Sarah Palin is being dishonest accusing Perry of crony capitalism.


5 posted on 09/13/2011 2:07:34 PM PDT by Carling (DeMint to Obama: I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter.)
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To: Marty62

I am with you
How could anyone who values honest reporting write that

there are many things perry is guilty of. This is not one


6 posted on 09/13/2011 2:07:55 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Carling
-"It’s ridiculous, and Sarah Palin is being dishonest accusing Perry of crony capitalism."

Let's all support crony capitalism (as long as a "Republican" is doing it). Party before ideals!

7 posted on 09/13/2011 2:11:27 PM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: Marty62

I think Perry should get into the used car business or get in to the lucrative undertaker profession, either one would suit him fine...jmho


8 posted on 09/13/2011 2:11:44 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or flippin bust)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

they over paid.


9 posted on 09/13/2011 2:12:37 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
My exact point yesterday, the MSM is playing hard and loose with Perry's popularity and had him at #1 before he even entered the race or opened his mouth, or even had others opening their mouths for him.

Once they've gotten everyone in the GOP to believe that Perry's "the guy to beat," then they drag out lots of facts, insinuations, and/or other stats (real or made up) about the guy, and he'll sink.

Then they will compare the "real Rick Perry" against the "unreal Barack Obama" and Perry will not overwhelm the public, let alone conservatives!

The MSM usually does the above one week or 24 hrs prior to the General Election, however the true Rick Perry will come out and hopefully, all of our "friends" here on FR will not become fighting mad when others just don't think of him as "their guy" (I don't have a "guy or gal" as a favorite, I just refuse to jump on the one that all of the newest "buzz" is about!)

For instance, I never would have thought of myself as thinking seriously about Rick Santorum but the more I hear the guy talk, the better I like him. Everyone will say, "but he can't get elected." I'm so tired of hearing this old saw that it's becoming the "lie told a thousand times becomes the truth!"

Sorry, at this point, the only two people on that stage who would fit that category (to me, however) would be Jon (John Kerry twin, with less charm) Huntsman and Ron Paul (I know Paul has lots of friends here but the guy's really a Libertarian and I'm not that.)

10 posted on 09/13/2011 2:14:44 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

So, that goes all the way back to ‘01.. How much of that is for the Gardasil issue? Not that I care, but it is to make a point.


11 posted on 09/13/2011 2:14:52 PM PDT by lahargis
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To: afraidfortherepublic

How many times are you hacks going to post this?


12 posted on 09/13/2011 2:16:23 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Big deal. You could make a case about "crony capitalism" with dozens of donors to the campagnes of Perry...of Bachman...of Romney...

The Gardisil issue is an issue but not a deal killer.

13 posted on 09/13/2011 2:16:33 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The unemployment problem only can be solved when Obama is unemployed.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I think it’s good that a politician doesn’t know how much any given corporation donates.


14 posted on 09/13/2011 2:16:33 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Don’t forget the campaign fund is the politician’s retirement benefit. They get to keep everything that has not been used during the campaign. If a politician gets LOTS of donations and has little competition, he does not have to use much from his campaign chest so he gets to pocket quite a bit of money when he is ready to leave public office. My US representative retired with $4 million. I’ll bet that someone in Perry’s position to help his donors will be retiring with a lot more than that.


15 posted on 09/13/2011 2:17:32 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Sarah Palin smeared Rick Perry and his integrity without any proof.

When the media did that to Palin, I was outraged. Now that Palin is a part of the media, apparently her supporters have selective outrage at baseless smears.


16 posted on 09/13/2011 2:18:35 PM PDT by Carling (DeMint to Obama: I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter.)
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To: Carling

She just got the words wrong. Should be as Rush said, “quid pro quo”.

I myself accused Obama of the very same over the swine flu vaccine. I would wager most here would agree.


17 posted on 09/13/2011 2:19:16 PM PDT by dforest
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To: VRW Conspirator

No, pandering to La Raza and open borders is the deal killer.


18 posted on 09/13/2011 2:20:53 PM PDT by dforest
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If Katrina Trinko was a good or fair journalist she would show the contributions year by year instead of making the reader wonder. This article creates HASH!


19 posted on 09/13/2011 2:20:53 PM PDT by Rapscallion (The majority of democrats (50%+) pay no income taxes.)
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To: zerosix

I have always admired Rick Santorum.


20 posted on 09/13/2011 2:21:21 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: indylindy

What is the evidence of this quid pro quo? Plus, since the vaccinations never happened, did Perry have to return his money to Merck?


21 posted on 09/13/2011 2:21:21 PM PDT by Carling (DeMint to Obama: I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter.)
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To: The Bronze Titan
I know the Democrat's mantra against Perry is "crony capitalism", but how is it unethical for Merck to support Perry after Perry campaigned to throw trial lawyers out of Texas? If I was a pharmaceutical, I'd do it.

Should medical and drug companies not support candidates who saved them from trial lawyers? You'd prefer they support the Democrats?

Use your brain if you have one.

22 posted on 09/13/2011 2:21:36 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

As perry detractors have explained to me ad nauseum, it’s not just that you get a donation, it’s whether the donation comes right before the action. So Perry was correct to only take into account the donations that happened in close proximity of the action he took.

What’s worse about this whole argument is that Merck stopped lobbying for these vaccine mandates after the uproar. They went another route, one of advertising and getting federal programs to finance the drug. Those programs were implemented in a lot of states, including Alaska during Palin’s term. While they were paid for by taxpayer dollars, they were strictly voluntary, so you didn’t have to “opt-out” of them.


23 posted on 09/13/2011 2:23:00 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Marty62
That $2850. per year. OMG...THE HORROR, THE HORROR.

Perry's off by $23,500 and that's your response?

24 posted on 09/13/2011 2:23:20 PM PDT by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: Marty62
As Michelle Malkin writes, Perry had personal reasons that may have been more important than a Merck contribution.

There was an “ex-chief of staff lobbying for Merck and a staffer’s mother-in-law serving as a state director of an advocacy group bankrolled by Merck to push legislatures across the country to put forward bills mandating the Gardasil vaccine for preteen girls.”

25 posted on 09/13/2011 2:23:34 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: indylindy
CoS => Lobbiest => mandate

Appearance of impropriety

Not even arguable and no evidence of wrong doing needed.

Plus I resent the hell out of people here who argue his Scouting and Military background somehow exempt him from this type scrutiny.

Expect more to come out.

26 posted on 09/13/2011 2:24:37 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Carling

She didn’t smear him. She told the truth.

Perry is for sale.


27 posted on 09/13/2011 2:27:17 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The “I can’t be bought for $5,000” line was terrible. You immediately thought-so you need more than $5,000 dollars?


28 posted on 09/13/2011 2:27:26 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Carling

What bothers me about this whole thing is that Perry said he did this to force the insurance companies to pay for the vaccine. He is willing to use govt to make companies do what he thinks they should do. THIS is big govt meddling. And this is what no one is talking about.


29 posted on 09/13/2011 2:27:52 PM PDT by brytlea (Wake me when it's over...)
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To: Venturer
Poor Former Democrat Perry.

True conservative have no time for someone with his record, and the Left hates anyone to the right of Stalin.

Not enough milksops to make him viable.

More and more it becomes noted that Perrybots use exactly the same methodology as Mittbots, perhaps because their candidates are so much alike.

Both insist that if you are voting for a real conservative instead of their socialist drone you must want Obama to win.

Both have a contingent vociferously squawking ad hominems at their rivals. With Mitt, the clucking is that all of their opponents hate Mormons, with a very klu klux klan sort of hate. In a similar vein, we see the Perrybots attempting to insist that people supporting Herman Cain or Michelle Bachmann are really all Ron Paulistas.

Really, they have no choice. The scandals regarding Perry are longstanding and the people who opposed him when they happened are not likely to overlook them now.

30 posted on 09/13/2011 2:32:25 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

much like capitalism, Perry is the worst candidate... except for all the rest.


31 posted on 09/13/2011 2:33:18 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: bwc2221

As Michelle Malkin writes, Perry had personal reasons that may have been more important than a Merck contribution.

There was an “ex-chief of staff lobbying for Merck and a staffer’s mother-in-law serving as a state director of an advocacy group bankrolled by Merck to push legislatures across the country to put forward bills mandating the Gardasil vaccine for preteen girls.”
__________________________________________________________

Yes this is what Palin was talking about on Greta.


32 posted on 09/13/2011 2:34:07 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I believe that he understated the amount, not underestimated. But regardless, assuming that the $30 million in campaign funds collected is correct, the Merck amount is less than one-tenth of one percent. I doubt that that makes them that influential of a contributor.


33 posted on 09/13/2011 2:36:33 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Carling
"It’s ridiculous, and Sarah Palin is being dishonest accusing Perry of crony capitalism."

Except for one big thing. His Chief of Staff could have gone to work for 10,000 different companies or organizations. But he was at Merck. The one company that got the executive order exception.

To me, it isn't so much the money, it's the likely call from Merck, "Good morning Rick, hey I was wondering if you could do me a little favor, y'see there's a vaccine called Gardasil that got left out of the school vaccine protocols, it's really a great little potion, and it would be a shame if it got left out. Merck really wants to help with addressing this issue and....."

34 posted on 09/13/2011 2:57:27 PM PDT by cookcounty ("I love loving him," --brilliant Matha's Vinyud liberal explaining her support for Obama)
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To: indylindy
No she didn't get the words wrong. She deliberately smeared Perry so Greta and her new buddies at Fox would love her. It was pathetic. She knew exactly what she was doing.

Perry will prevail here because he is the actual true outsider. Fox is using Sarah the useful idiot to trash the only candidate that can beat Romney.

After last night I will vote Romney for sure should Perry fade, unless Cain steps up. Bachman, done, Palin, fraud.

35 posted on 09/13/2011 2:59:14 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: cookcounty

What benefit does Perry get when his Chief of Staff goes to work for Merck, and what benefit did Merck get when the so-called “mandate” was never put into effect?

It’s silliness. I expect gutterball shots from Bachmann, since she has about 3 months left as a candidate if she is luck, but to hear Palin’s smear of Perry was a disappointment to me.


36 posted on 09/13/2011 3:15:10 PM PDT by Carling (DeMint to Obama: I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Anyone else notice the facial expressions, demeanor, and behavior of Perry?

It scary similar to Bush and they were just discussing this on KFI Los Angeles and several others mentioned this last night, right here


37 posted on 09/13/2011 3:36:01 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Carling
What benefit does Perry get when his Chief of Staff goes to work for Merck

You'll likely never know. That how corruption works...Behind closed doors, with payoffs, graft, influence, favors etc, etc.

38 posted on 09/13/2011 3:37:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

You do realize that there are over 700 pages of documentation on Perry’s EO, right?

Educate yourself.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0811/The_HPV_files_In_emails_Perry_mostly_absent.html


39 posted on 09/13/2011 3:48:29 PM PDT by Carling (DeMint to Obama: I want to read the bill, not listen to talking points off a TelePrompter.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Those programs were implemented in a lot of states, including Alaska during Palin’s term. While they were paid for by taxpayer dollars, they were strictly voluntary, so you didn’t have to “opt-out” of them.

This is not meant as a slam against Alaska because after researching this a little more, I discovered numerous states were implementing the Gardiasil vaccine and more were close to starting to insert it into mandatory or at least recommended vaccines. The CDC and health organizations were putting on a great display of its greatness and need and pushing to have states get in on the bandwagon. 18 states including Alaska opted to use the federal tax-payer funds to provide free vaccines and Alaska specifically beginning in 2007 used the federal money to fund vaccines for 9 to 18 year old girls. (And yes, it does look like the federal regulations that came with the accepted federal oversight did not include the parental involvement required as did insurance companies if done without tax payer money.) My point being, Alaska was recommending it and giving it to the girls free-of-charge but did not have to present it as a necessary vaccine which the parent could then opt out of.)

However, I discovered that Alaska, in the midst of the federal and health care propaganda (or perhaps just 'misunderstanding of the vaccine at that time') that Alaska was not only recommending it to 8 - 18 year old girls but was also encouraging women 18 to 26 years old to get the vaccine. In fact, the State of Alaska had developed a financing plan in association with Merck & Co. Inc., the vaccine’s manufacturer, so that those older college aged girls and young women not covered for the vaccine free of charge (older age) could make loan payments to Merck.

Now I'm not saying there was anything there, but I am trying to indicate that this situation was ripe for bad decisions and even ripe for possible abuse in so many different places throughout our country at that time.

Now I started this post with my description of that time period, believing it would soften the Alaska role as well as all the other states' roles in this issue. I'm not trying to blame Alaska or give undue credit to Perry here.

I'm just saying our governors all over the country were being provided with health information that seemed very credible to all of them, at least for the most part, and they were either implementing programs or would have implemented them soon.

I think we need to remember this when this very same issue arises with many more of our governors at some point. There were 18 states alone that took the federal tax-payer money to fund the vaccines. Rick Perry had the exact same idea as the other states, that this was a miracle drug and just needed to get out there (just like so many more governors out there were thinking). He just funded the program differently.

From:

http://hss.state.ak.us/press/2007/pr053107fed-funding-hpv-vax.htm

Excerpt:

The CDC recommends the vaccine for girls and women 9 through 26 years old, but the Alaska Department of Health and Social Services only has funding to cover the vaccine for those ages 9 through 18. Women ages 19 through 26 may be able to receive some coverage through Medicaid, their health insurance companies or a special financial aid program set up by Merck & Co. Inc., the vaccine’s manufacturer.

40 posted on 09/13/2011 4:02:00 PM PDT by casinva (IMAGINE: PERRY, PALIN, AND CAIN STANDING SIDE BY SIDE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION)
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To: dragnet2

and I hear he even wears a cowboy hat and you know what that means. It is even rumored that he talks with a Texas accent, most likely a plant from south of the border.

Get real people! Of those running, most are not electable no matter how you try to smear the leaders. I think there was a great debate, however, it was not balanced, nor did the fringe candidates really get alot of input.

imho s/ and you know what they say about opinions...


41 posted on 09/13/2011 4:13:33 PM PDT by BlowNegative (The Thing about Silent Warfare - Don't leave footprints)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It was a conflict of interest for Perry to take one penny from Merck while he was pushing their agenda.

Perry says his price is over $5000, knowing he received more than that amount, so this makes an honest skeptic wonder what his price is.


42 posted on 09/13/2011 4:18:27 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: normy

You know, normy, I can’t speak for Sarah Palin. Soooo, I will speak for myself.

Most folks around here know I have been really tough on Palin.

I don’t apologize for being tough on any of them.

But when they are right, I will agree with them. In this case, Palin and Bachmann are right.

Face it, Perry was going to get exposure on this sooner or later. He should be glad it happened now rather than later. Instead we have to hear that Mrs. Kremer is a cow, Michele is a cow, and I guess Palin is too. Shameful.

I don’t really think Bachmann could win the nomination. But I am glad she is a fighter.

Sad thing for conservatives. We would rather make excuses for what we know is not conservative than back a conservative.

Conservatives are called kooks. Fine, call me a kook.


43 posted on 09/13/2011 4:20:59 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Carling
"He raised over $39,000,000 for the 2010 campaign, and some are trying to smear him over $2850/year."

If his price is a mere $2850/year, then what did that other $39,000,000 buy? Maybe nothing, but it is a legit question.

44 posted on 09/13/2011 4:22:05 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: MrEdd

Gee Mr. Edd it sure is tough to see why the people of Texas elected him 3 times. He sure is an a-hole according to some.


45 posted on 09/13/2011 4:24:15 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: UnwashedPeasant
It was a conflict of interest for Perry to take one penny from Merck while he was pushing their agenda.

Does that mean it would be a conflict of interest for Sarah Palin to take one penny from tea partiers while she pushes our agenda? Or is it only corrupt if it's the other guy?

46 posted on 09/13/2011 5:23:50 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: cradle of freedom

Your understanding is at best only partially correct.

“While the F.E.C. clearly says campaign committee cash can’t be tapped for personal use, there are no such stipulations for certain political action committees, most controversially “leadership PACs” that elected officials can use to support various political causes other than their own.”

So the first question is whether the money is in an actual campaign account, or if it is in a PAC.

PAC money can be kept, although they keep talking about changing the rules.


47 posted on 09/13/2011 5:28:48 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Sarah Palin isn’t governor of Texas. In fact, she’s not a government official at all, therefore, no conflict of interest. Besides, none of the politician would be able to accept donations from members of the tea party, since they all claim to be pushing the agenda.


48 posted on 09/13/2011 5:39:01 PM PDT by beandog (You can't elevate Perry by tearing down Palin)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"Does that mean it would be a conflict of interest for Sarah Palin to take one penny from tea partiers while she pushes our agenda? Or is it only corrupt if it's the other guy?"

If Palin enacted legislation after receiving a bribe from the Tea Party, and if the Tea Party were a business entity instead of a movement, it would also be Crony Capitalism.

Of course, your analogy to Palin is ridiculous.

49 posted on 09/13/2011 5:40:44 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

Why do you think it is rediculous? The charge wasn’t about Perry, it was about a conflict of interest that would arise simply because he got money from a donor while pushing the donor’s agenda.

But that is by definition what donors do. Donors give money to candidates who push their agenda. Drug companies want to sell drugs, and they give money to candidates who make it easier to sell drugs. Tea Partiers want small government, tax cuts, and spending cuts, and they give money to candidates who will vote for spending cuts, tax cuts, and small government.

By default, Sarah Palin will push legislation after receiving the “bribe” from the tea party “members”, i.e. all the people who say they are part of the tea party, and who will give her their donations to win the nomination and the presidency. When she wins, she will then send down a budget that cuts taxes and spending, she will push a bill to repeal obamacare, she’ll secure the border — all the things we told her to do when we sent her money.

There is NOTHING wrong with this. That is my point — it is absurd to complain about politicians doing what pleases their donors. When we see politicians do what we like, we send them money (Joe Wilson and “you lie” being a particular example). If politicians stop doing what we want, we threaten to stop sending them money, like the RNC “not one thin dime” campaign.

Essentially, we “bribe” candidates to remain faithful to our principles, by offering and witholding campaign contributions.

Here is the cheat sheet. Money given to a politician you don’t like = “pay-off”. Money given to a politician you like = “grass-roots activism”.


50 posted on 09/13/2011 7:13:45 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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