Posted on 09/13/2011 3:24:23 PM PDT by Evil Slayer
I think she’s got the right take on Perry and Gardasil. It’s not that it was a mistake, it’s that he did it at all.
Yeah, but he must have said it while the show was on, between 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. CDT.
I remember all the hysteria over the MMR & chickenpox vaccines. That turned out to be much ado about not much.
I know that no medication is 100% safe for 100% of the people and that adverse events can happen.
I know that there was an opt-out provision for the HPV vaccine in Texas.
And I know that there are a considerable number of low rent/ low brow ‘parents’ who wouldn’t get their kids vaccinated for anything if not required to enter school.
I think we are getting all tied up in the benefits or not of the vaccine. The important issue here is that Perry was all too willing to put government in control and also the perception, if not outright ties, to crony capitalism. I think his willingness to put government over the people is serious and the influence of Merck is telling.
Perry says he only got $5000 but it was really $6000, not a big difference, but it has come out that he has received much, much more from Merck throughout his carreer and the ties of people in his administration lead to other sticky issues. It appears more dirt will be coming on that whole deal.
The political wizard moved votes from Perry to Romney - not to herself. Dope.
Indeed
Sorry, but you are wrong on that. You should actually listen to what Sarah Palin says, and not make things up about her.
She NEVER said Merck talked to her. And in fact, there is no evidence MErck talked to her. Merck stopped their campaign in February of 2007, which was 2 months after she took office.
What Palin said was she dealt with the issue of adding a vaccine to the mandatory list. She mentioned an e-mail. You can search all of her e-mails, and you'll see that NO e-mails mention Merck of Gardasil.
The e-mail she mentions was about the chicken-pox vaccine. The Alaska Board of Education was adding the CP vaccine to the mandatory list. Sarah's e-mail says she opposed that, but that her staff should make it clear that as Governor, she had NO say in what vaccines were on the list, so she couldn't do anything about it, but to tell people she opposed making the CP vaccine mandatory.
A few Palin supporters got ahead of her, and misrepresented what she said. Palin told the truth. Your statement about her is false, so you should stop saying she said things that she didn't.
As I said, in another part of her interview, she mentioned her e-mail, which was about the BoE mandating the chicken pox vaccine.
The only thing I can't really figure out how to defend Palin about in her statement is her saying she told her health and human services department that Alaska was not going to mandate immunizations.
I'm not sure what she meant about that. In her e-mail, she clearly indicates that as Governor, she has no control over immunization mandates. Those are controlled by the Board of Education. She couldn't stop the Chicken Pox vaccine, even though she opposed it. So if her BoE had decided to put Gardasil on their list, she wouldn't have been able to stop that either.
Remember though that when Perry signed his EO, Palin had only been governor for a month. So she may mean here simply that she talked to her HHS department to make sure they didn't do anything to encourage the vaccine.
BTW, Palin was not opposed to giving Gardasil to young girls. She only opposed mandating it. She actually presided over a federally-funded program which used taxpayer dollars to give out free and reduced-price Gardasil vaccines to 8-18 year-old girls.
But again, that was a voluntary program. Palin has been clear that she does not support mandatory Gardasil, or mandatory chickenpox.
I don't know if she is opposed to any other mandatory vaccines. I looked through her record, and saw no indication she ever tried to change Alaska's mandatory vaccine law, nor was their anything in her e-mails about it.
So all I can say for sure is that she opposed the mandatory CP vaccine (because we have the e-mail) and she opposed mandator Garasil (from her statement that you quoted).
The other thing your quote clears up is the claim by some that when Palin endorsed Perry for governor, she wouldn't have known about his Gardasil "problem". This quote proves that she knew ALL about Perry's Gardasil EO, and understood the difficulty with it, as soon as it happened.
She still endorsed him for Governor and called him a true conservative, so apparently it wasn't a disqualifying issue to her.
That quote is from someone who either doesn’t understand drug reports, or doesn’t care about misleading. When collecting the statistics, the ONLY causality considered is time proximity — meaning “things that happened within x days of taking the vaccine”.
49 women died within a certain period of time after taking Gardasil. Note that thousands of women died during those same periods of time, without taking the vaccine. Women die, and sometimes they will happen to die after taking a vaccine.
The CDC studied 29 of the deaths where they could get information. In NONE of those 29 cases was the cause of death tied to the Gardasil vaccination.
A lot of people get confused by drug reaction reports, because they don’t understand it’s simply a time-association. So they think the drugs actually caused all sorts of problems.
That article will make you laugh. It’s easier to opt out of vaccines in texas than it is to GET your vaccines in order in texas. I made the list to show how.
To opt out, google “texas vaccine opt-out”. Go to the link, fill out the request form (takes 30 seconds, I did it). CLick enter to submit. Wait a while, you’ll get mail with the completed form (Texas fills it out for you). You just check off the vaccines you want to opt out of, and get it signed and notarized. Then you take it to school.
If you think that is complicated, I’d hate to see you try to fill out employment forms. I had to do 15 government-mandated forms for a temp job as a haunt monster, took me 40 minutes.
In the article, one of their complaints was that you have to give your mailing address. Another was that they use the post office to mail you your form. They also thought that giving the full name and birthdate of your children would complicate things.
The also complained both that the state took too long to MAIL the form, and then contradictorily that 90 days was too short a time to get it signed and notarized.
The sad thing is that these were supposedly bright people, trying to pretend they were too stupid to fill out a trivial request form.
It’s also not really a “potentially lethal medication”, any more than any of the other vaccines kids are “forced” to take.
And unlike, say, Polio, where people DO die from the vaccine, and virtually NOBODY dies from Polio anymore, there have been no confirmed cases of death caused by Gardasil, but 80% of the women in America will have an HPV infection at some point in their lives.
I oppose mandatory Gardasil vaccination, but I understand why people would push it, and it’s absurd for Bachman, a lawyer with no medical experience, to be actively discouraging women from getting the facts about Gardasil.
If women skip the vaccine because they are afraid of turning mentally retarded, and they get HPV, contract cervical cancer, and die, will that be Bachman’s fault?
Anyway, Perry’s order never went into effect, so NO girls got vaccinated because of what he did. But if they had vaccinated girls, lives would have been saved, not lost.
THere were several reports last night of “what Palin said” that were wildly wrong. One report claimed she said Merck contacter her to force Gardasil on her state, and she responded “hell no”, and had e-mails to prove it.
It turns out she didn’t say that, her e-mail was about the chicken-pox vaccine, and in her e-mail she says that the governor has no control over which vaccines are mandatory in Alaska, it’s controlled by the Board of Education. Also she opposed the CP vaccine (she didn’t say that by name, just said she opposed mandating shots for our girls, but since she didn’t push to end mandatory vaccines, I assume she was talking about the CP vaccine).
Palin was right that Perry’s CoStaff going to Merck, and then coming back and lobbying to get better government treatment of his new company, is a form of “crony capitalism”. But she didn’t say Perry was using “pay-for-play”, so far as I can tell.
It’s just a throwaway line, like the stupid “Palin is 100% Vetted” line. As if the media doesn’t have a boatload of things they are holding just waiting for Palin to run for the nomination.
Michelle essentially says that Bachman shouldn’t talk about medical stuff, which is what Rush was saying.
Michelle also falls for the stupid argument that the opt-out is hard, but she just quotes the article, so maybe she didn’t really read it enough to understand how hilarious it is.
It’s a 30 second process to request the form, the state fills in the whole form for you, you just check the vaccines you want to opt out of, sign it and get it notarized (that’s the hardest part), and turn it in.
It’s easier than doing your personal property tax, a lot easier than your income taxes, easier than the employment forms when you get a job, and it’s easier than getting the vaccines.
Yes — it is easier to do the opt-out, than it is to actually get the vaccines and do the paperwork that proves you got them.
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The important issue here is that Perry was all too willing to put government in control...
Agreed. OTOH, Perry has been gov in Texas for almost eleven years...plenty long enough for a few mistakes to have been made along the way. And he has said that the EO was a mistake. I'm willing to accept that. Which is not to say that I necessarily think that requiring HPV immunization is a bad thing.
...also the perception, if not outright ties, to crony capitalism. I think his willingness to put government over the people is serious and the influence of Merck is telling.
On this point, I'll refer to the idea of 'six degrees of separation'...that any one person on Earth is only six steps away from any other person on Earth. In any 'community', such as the political community, I would imagine that any one person is something like two degrees away (on average) from any other person in that community. Put any one of them under the microscope and its going to get ugly. Or can be made out to look ugly. For example, Sarah Palin, by way of her association with McCain. In my mind, only 'Crony Politicism' can explain her endorsement of John McCain in the Senate race in 2010. I shudder to think that Political Idealism was the reason.
Ronald Reagan was the last presidential contender that I was wildly enthusiastic about starting with his speech at the 1976 GOP presidential convention. And I liked Pete DuPont when he was running but that went nowhere. Haven't followed him since so I might have changed my mind about him subsequently. Anyway, I'm trying to convey my lack of enthusiasm about the current field but, of those in contention, I do lean Perry. As I'm sure you've divined. I look at the Big Picture in terms of nat'l security and economic issues in weighing candidates. Their positions on social issues barely register a blip on my radar.
Nice chatting with you. Gotta' run because my 'to do before winter' list is a mile long & I'm in Wisconsin! (Oh, need to add that I spent most of my life in Oklahoma...a very solid Red State!! Doing' my part to turn WI into at least a maroon state.)
She`s acting exactly like the Newsweek cover picture painted her as,,,a loon. No way, no how would I want her in charge of the nuclear football.
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