Can America Afford to Allow ANY Labor Unions to Legally Exist?

Vanity/Commonsense | September 14, 2011 | Graewoulf

[Graewoulf]

With the very successful bankrupting of America by Dictator Obama, Dodd-Frank bill/law/bill, un-Constitutional Entitlement taxation laws such as Social Security System, MediCare, MediAid, and obabmatrauma"care", does America really need to continue to allow our Labor Unions to exist? Is this not overkill?

Look at the record of the Teacher's Union in 2008: they supported a candidate that was totally incompetent, and totally without experience to take over running the world's largest business, which is the US Federal Government.

One would think that teachers would be educated enough to distinguish between competent and incompetent, qualified and unqualified. It gives one pause, as these are the same teachers who are being paid by us to teach our children THEIR values.

Now that America has been so successfully bankrupted, do we really need this much overkill? The Liberal's Welfare State has won, and we all promise to learn Chinese, hire only illegal aliens, and keep on voting for those who promise to burden us with the most debt possible.

The debt-creators have won, but do we need to have Labor Unions to continue to bully us around?

Hopefully, the New Jersey Law against Bully Behavior can be approved by the NINE SUPREMES, so that all of America can be protected from those bad bully bastions of behavior beneficial only to Labor Unions, and their spawn.

[SoCal Pubbie]

“People who want to abolish labor unions really need to read a bit of history about the world before they existed and what prompted their creation.”

Do the conditions to which you refer still exist in non union companies today? Are there not laws on the books that cover virtually every aspect of hiring, managing, and firing an employee? From the number, duration, and frequency of rest periods, to the number of hours an employee can work without overtime, to safety rules, to minimum wages that can be paid, to the minimum age one can be allowed to work, to discrimination in hiring, every aspect of a job is mandated, regulated, scrutinized, and reported. What is left for the union to do today to “protect” the workers?

[wita]

And just like business and government, it attracts people into leadership positions with less than honorable intentions.

Yea. I always enjoyed the latest rape of union pension funds, back in the days before creative accounting, (although that would be pretty far back). Government is another story in itself as at least a union thug could be prosecuted for his crimes, it was rare to never for crooks in congress to get justice for theirs. Or should that read punishment for theirs?

[SC_Pete]

Public sector unions should be abolished. That should be done by a GOP Congress and President. Private unions are dying on their own.

[chris37]

Let’s bust em up and make em illegal.

They are nothing more than a democrat money laundering vote generating machine.

And democrats are communists.

Let’s roll!

[Steamburg]

We have to differentiate between what is now a union (criminal enterprise) and what collective bargaining on a voluntary local scale was once about. Worker and Trade associations were communist ideas, but most people that originally joined because of crappy management. We need to remember, that we still have crappy management (White House,SEIU, NEA, Teamsters, Etc.)and thus there is some need for people to band together to protect themselves. The trick is that the banding together must by totally voluntary and revocable at any time.

[PENANCE]

In America you do not have a RIGHT to a job. You do not have a RIGHT to a minimum wage, living wage, any wage. The original unions were not composed of slaves. Slavery had been abolished.

Unions are NOT organized labor, they are organized crime (e.g. theft, extortion, assault, battery, etc.); and they have been since their inception.

[Navy Patriot]

Unions have always been associated with and trade support with Marxists and Communists, and therefore I believe all unions, Marxists, and Communist organizations should be illegal.

[9YearLurker]

There’s nothing unions do (that isn’t market distorting and economy killing) that wouldn’t effectively be handled by a free market.

Nothing.

[Melas]

The problem is that banning unions is quasi-constitutional at best. Frank and Bob have the legal right to tell their mutual employer that they want XYZ and if they don’t get it, they’re both going to quit. Frank and Bob have the constitutional rights to assemble and freely associate, and they second they decide to approach the boss in a unified fashion, they’ve become a union.

[cuban leaf]

—There’s nothing unions do (that isn’t market distorting and economy killing) that wouldn’t effectively be handled by a free market.—

What about a company that has 100 unskilled labor postions ant 300 people showing up for those jobs every day. Why pay more than a few dollars an hour, in cash, at the end of the day, and rehire whoever you need the following day.

Of course, those who toe the line best and work their fingers to the bone to the point of risking their health are the ones that will be hired tomorrow.

That is a “free” market.

[cuban leaf]

On a side note, I cannot believe I am sounding like I support unions. I don’t. At least not in their current form. I’ve been anti-union my entire adult life, even when I had to belong to them.

But I have a sense of history and know why they were necessary and, if abolished along with all labor laws (which I abhor even more), would be just as necessary as they were the first time.

I’m for limited unions. Their power can easily be limited through right to work laws and other actual “freedom enhancing” laws for the very workers the unions want to represent.

[cuban leaf]

—In America you do not have a RIGHT to a job.—

Yes. I know. When I talk of “right to work” I am talking about what it actually means in places like NC, where the NLRB is trying to get Boeing to go back to Washington.

I feel about unions the way our founding fathers felt about government.

[cuban leaf]

—Unions are NOT organized labor, they are organized crime (e.g. theft, extortion, assault, battery, etc.); and they have been since their inception.—

Unions are like businesses. And big labor is like big business.

There are good ones and bad ones and downright evil ones.

[9YearLurker]

And for the 80+% of American business that isn’t unionized now?

Per usual, government legislated against practices (that is, legislated to give unions special protections) at the time that they were becoming unacceptable in the world generally.

Same goes with civil rights, child labor, etc.. Most legislation just documents when the bulk of society had swung to make practices acceptable or not acceptable—and so were changing anyway.

Legislation rarely leads, it quite reliably follows.

[cuban leaf]

—Unions are NOT organized labor, they are organized crime (e.g. theft, extortion, assault, battery, etc.); and they have been since their inception.—

My uncle was a very high up muckymuck of a union back in the day (the people he represented worked on those monolythic towers that bring power from dams). He and I would get into very heated arguments about unions. That said, I NEVER questioned his strong moral standards and desire do do the best by his men. He was also a ridiculously hard worker. He’s still alive (in his early 80’s) living in an RV park with a very comfortable retirement that he got by buying a few homes and doing all the work himself to improve them and then sell.

Frankly, he was the hardest worker I ever met. We strongly disagreed about unions, but I also strongly respected his opinion and motives.

Like everything else in this country, many (but not all) unions have become so bloated with power and are so controlled by people who are only looking out for number one that they are a serious problem. It was not “always” that way and still isn’t for some unions, though they may be in a tiny minority by now.

[Iron Munro]

How long before the Obama administration unionizes (or attempts to unionize) America's armed forces?

That is the only way he will be able to force enough people into unions to save them from extinction.

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[cuban leaf]

—Do the conditions to which you refer still exist in non union companies today?—

Nope. And it is because of the existence of unions and all the repressive laws protecting workers to the point that it is almost impossible to fire anyone who righteously deservers it.

Did you know the sales tax in Vancouver Washington is the lowest in the state. It is because they have to keep people from crossing the bridge to shop in Oregon, where there is no sales tax.

To be blunt, I think unions are bad, but I think the government laws are worse.

[cuban leaf]

—Worker and Trade associations were communist ideas, —

Shhhh. Don’t tell any one, but the early Christian church was communist. Voluntarily, of course. That didn’t last long though, people being people - even Christian people. ;->

[cuban leaf]

—How long before the Obama administration unionizes (or attempts to unionize) America’s armed forces? —

Can you imagine the guys about to hit Omaha beach going on strike for “better working conditions and/or pay”.

Why is anyone still talking about taht zero. He has officially jumped the shark. We should be more worried about who the dems will put up to run against the pubs in 2012. It certainly will not be him.

[The_Repugnant_Conservative]

Necessary Evil

The freedom to form a union and enter into collective bargaining is a necessary counterbalance. Just look to their origins during the Industrial Revolution. Outlaw them completely and prepare to be reintroduced to the reasons they were needed. Give them too much power and discover they are no better than the Mill Owners were.