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Amish men jailed for not displaying buggy (orange-red triangle) safety signs
Yahoo ^ | 9/14/11 | Steve Robrahn

Posted on 09/14/2011 10:50:46 PM PDT by Libloather

Amish men jailed for not displaying buggy safety signs
By Steve Robrahn | Reuters – 15 hrs ago

LOUISVILLE, Ky (Reuters) - Eight members of a traditional Amish sect were behind bars on Tuesday after refusing to pay fines for failure to display orange-red safety triangles on their horse-drawn buggies.

The eight were being held in the Graves County Jail, serving sentences ranging between three and 10 days for failing to pay the fines on religious grounds.

Graves District Judge Deborah Hawkins ordered the men jailed Monday in Mayfield, about 200 miles from Louisville in western Kentucky. The defendants contend that paying the fines would amount to complying with a law that violates their religious restrictions against wearing or displaying bright colors or relying upon man-made symbols for their safety.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amish; buggy; jailed; kentucky; ky; louisville; religiousfreedom; religiousliberty; religiouspersecution; safety
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...serving sentences ranging between three and 10 days...

Like they've got something better to do?

1 posted on 09/14/2011 10:50:54 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

...bet it was the Yoders....


2 posted on 09/14/2011 10:51:33 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Libloather
Like they've got something better to do?

Well, the Amish are farmers and getting close to harvest, so I'd say yes, they have something better to do. This is government bulls*it at its best.

3 posted on 09/14/2011 10:52:49 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Libloather

Good grief, we’re getting picayune. This is a ridiculous use of government resources.


4 posted on 09/14/2011 10:54:40 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Libloather

If they were muslims and claimed religious exemption from this, they’d get away with it and, in fact, be praised for their principles.


5 posted on 09/14/2011 10:54:45 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Libloather

I think they should either comply with the law or not take their horse or carriages out after dark.

I’d feel really crappy if I ended up running into the back of those black carriages and killing the driver and/or horses.

I would really feel bad for the horses, not the 300 horses I have under my hood.


6 posted on 09/14/2011 10:57:03 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Winstons Julia

Nah, I’m betting on those hell-raisers, the Stoltzfus(es).


7 posted on 09/14/2011 10:57:19 PM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: hsalaw

Yup.


8 posted on 09/14/2011 10:57:25 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: Libloather
Don't want to display the signs?

Then stay off the roads.

9 posted on 09/14/2011 10:58:53 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelosi in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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To: Not now, Not ever!

Or they could build their own Amish-friendly roads that parallel public roads and only use them.


10 posted on 09/14/2011 11:05:53 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: TBP
Good grief, we’re getting picayune. This is a ridiculous use of government resources.

I guess you've never driven in Amish country ...

Its bad enuf that you're doin' the speed limit, comin' around a curve - and there's a buggy RIGHT IN FRONT of you ...

THEN, ya gotta slam on the brakes ...

Thats why the state puts up yellow warning signs with buggies on them - to make you aware ...

NOW, imagine this happens at night - the buggies have oil lamps in the front and back [NOT very bright illumination] ...

THATS WHY the state REQUIRES the REFLECTIVE signs on the REAR of the buggies ...

STILL, EVEN WITH the signs, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, you read about a car accident involving a buggy ...

USUALLY, A LOT of the buggy occupants are killed ...

11 posted on 09/14/2011 11:05:57 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Libloather

I’m keeping the Amish on my radar.


12 posted on 09/14/2011 11:05:57 PM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (He hate me)
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To: Lmo56

Not to mention the horses.

The ifra-red technology that is now being installed on cars now will probably make this a non-issue.


13 posted on 09/14/2011 11:08:06 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Not now, Not ever!

Don’t want to be in public, wear that star on your sleeve....good Nazi.


14 posted on 09/14/2011 11:09:10 PM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: Libloather

Lock them up.

At least the prison will not have to pay a light bill for their cells.


15 posted on 09/14/2011 11:21:03 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: runninglips

Sure ... because having reflective devices so cars won’t hit you and can see you is just LIKE being marked so that you can eventually be put into ovens...

Seriously... think before you post.

No one wants to DISRESPECT the Amish or gas them... they just want the Amish to have safety signs when the vehicles are out at night.....


16 posted on 09/14/2011 11:21:08 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Explorer89

Really no... it’s ALWAYS the Yoders .... trust me.


17 posted on 09/14/2011 11:22:27 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: TBP; hsalaw

I understand your sentiments but I disagree.

You are not the one who runs over the invisible buggy in the dark of night. You not only have to deal with the consequences of that yourself, with your passengers and your vehicle; but any other vehicles that may get involved; and of course the thrill of whoever you probably decimated in the buggy, complete with horse.

To ask that they have non-decorative, non-ornamental something on their dark black buggies on the dark roads is not intrusive, in my opinion.

If they don’t like the rules of the road, they shouldn’t use it. I might sympathize if the rules were silly (everyone must have pink hair!) or obsessive (paint every item in day glow and have loud beepers going off every other second), but the orange triangle rule is neither.

The Amish are not being reasonable, and the Bible does not forbid safety equipment.


18 posted on 09/14/2011 11:23:35 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: runninglips

Sorry, they are on public roads going much slower than the cars the roads were designed for. I respect their right to be Amish but if they want to drive a horse buggy on the road they should have basic safety equipment. I don’t think that violates their “Amishness”. Afterall, they are driving a buggy on an asphalt road.


19 posted on 09/14/2011 11:24:04 PM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: Lmo56

That is why we used to drive fast on Sundays, when they were in church (most of the day, iirc). We were more cautious the rest of the week.


20 posted on 09/14/2011 11:24:06 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Jonty30; hsalaw

“or not take their horse or carriages out after dark.”

an excellent solution if their consciences are so offended.


21 posted on 09/14/2011 11:24:32 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: runninglips

“Don’t want to be in public, wear that star on your sleeve....good Nazi.”

This kind of hyperbole is beneath FR.

Being required to have a reflective sign on a dark vehicle in the dead of night is hardly equivalent to having to wear a star signifying you are a Jew so you can be abused.


22 posted on 09/14/2011 11:25:58 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Winstons Julia

So why doesn’t someone simply come up with a reflective device that does not appear bright until the light hits it. I have seen grayish ones used on clothing in the oil patch. Is the orange part really necessary?


23 posted on 09/14/2011 11:26:14 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Winstons Julia

No they don’t want them in ovens, they want them to conform....like every other supposed free man in this country. Do they make bicycles have orange triangles? Walkers? The first step to perdition, is giving in to a “little common sense” govt regulation. License plates were for our protection too, then tabs, then yearly taxes, then for thefts, then for cops to access 24/7 info on owners at the touch of a button. Sorry, society is so far past just a little regulation, and it starts ever so small.


24 posted on 09/14/2011 11:29:03 PM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The Amish should invent that and build factories to .... oh wait......


25 posted on 09/14/2011 11:33:08 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: All
Nothing in the article says anything about it being night-time terrorism...farming country usually requires those funny little signs to be used on highways for all agricultural vehicles...horses on the highway are not required to display them as far as I know...but, non-motorized regs vary from state to state.
26 posted on 09/14/2011 11:33:19 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Obama is just the symptom of what is destroying the U.S.)
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To: runninglips

*sigh*

Do we really need to spell this out for you? The carriages are using the roads at night.

Maybe you should go Amish.....


27 posted on 09/14/2011 11:36:01 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: runninglips

Nice to see someone actually gets it.


28 posted on 09/14/2011 11:38:17 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: Winstons Julia

Would Amish be copacetic with mounting kerosene lanterns on the back of their buggies? That would solve the nighttime visibility problem.


29 posted on 09/14/2011 11:39:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I really don’t know. I think someone upthread said that they do that... but the flame is low and not too visible.


30 posted on 09/14/2011 11:44:17 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Libloather


31 posted on 09/14/2011 11:45:58 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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To: Libloather; oneolcop




Scofflaws!

32 posted on 09/14/2011 11:46:43 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Winstons Julia
I'm not sure it needs to be invented, only adapted and allowed as a substitute for the bright orance device.

If getting reflective surfaces on the buggy to enhance visibility at night is the issue, it might be a solution.

Of course, the State would have to accept that the absence of orange really has little effect on seeing the buggy in daylight, and the Amish would have to accept something which though it did not appear as wordly, would enhance their safety and that of the vehicles which might hit them.

It's never simple, but it could be simpler.

It might be simpler yet if someone could devise a reflective surface which appeared to be black in daylight.

33 posted on 09/14/2011 11:47:30 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: BIGLOOK
Maybe, but the gray strips on the sides and the bottom of the back of the buggy look a lot like the Scotchlite strips We had on Fire Dept. turnout gear and have on oilfield coveralls.

Would an orange triangle make that vehicle more visible? Really?

34 posted on 09/14/2011 11:51:13 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thank goodness it didn’t escalate into a rake fight.


35 posted on 09/14/2011 11:54:11 PM PDT by wolfman
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To: Smokin' Joe; All

Really... the appearance of the horse apples on the road ought to tell an aware driver that there might be Amish ahead...

But that would require...

#attackwatch - AMISH AHEAD.


36 posted on 09/14/2011 11:57:20 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Winstons Julia

There are those of us who know enough to identify various deposits on the road and take a cue from that, but anyone who needs an orange triangle to tell them a vehicle is moving slowly probably doesn’t know their s**t well enough to take advantage of the obvious trail.


37 posted on 09/15/2011 12:17:21 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Winstons Julia

Do the Amish shun as too modern the thorium mantles which make kerosene lamps much brighter?


38 posted on 09/15/2011 12:20:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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This is no more offensive than expecting people to stop at red lights when driving. Trying to turn this into some kind of romanticized police state issue is childish. Anyone living in Amish country who drives understands the problem from personal experience. And the vast majority of Amish comply with the basic safety requirements.


39 posted on 09/15/2011 12:20:46 AM PDT by Da Mav
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To: Smokin' Joe

One could complain this is double trouble. Not only could a car driver come suddenly upon a buggy, but the manure slick behind it would make it harder for the car to stop in time.


40 posted on 09/15/2011 12:21:55 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Smokin' Joe
Would an orange triangle make that vehicle more visible? Really?

Doubt it....not on a horse drawn carriage going four miles an hour in any traffic at night. The Amish were just doing what they've always done and the LEOs were doing what they do.

That said, it's a matter to be left to the Court.

Know any Amish legal eagles? Didn't think so.

Pedestrians have more protections.
41 posted on 09/15/2011 12:22:22 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Libloather

Enough with the religion excuse.

Enough with jackass judges.


42 posted on 09/15/2011 12:22:22 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: Da Mav

How about permitting these slow buggies to use the shoulder of the road?


43 posted on 09/15/2011 12:23:27 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: runninglips

>> they want them to conform...

Indeed.

But I’m not sure I’d want to discover a carriage just 50 yards ahead in the cloak of darkness. Maybe a lantern would work.


44 posted on 09/15/2011 12:28:38 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I really am not an expert.


45 posted on 09/15/2011 12:28:43 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Libloather

Too much government at all levels.


46 posted on 09/15/2011 12:30:53 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: BIGLOOK

“Know any Amish legal eagles?”

Well.... I know that the Mennonites have lawyers....the Amish don’t?


47 posted on 09/15/2011 12:32:14 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Lmo56

No sweat, with Obamas policies we’ll all be a riden horse and buggie soon.


48 posted on 09/15/2011 12:33:19 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

These roads often DON’T have shoulders.


49 posted on 09/15/2011 12:34:05 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
One could complain this is double trouble. Not only could a car driver come suddenly upon a buggy, but the manure slick behind it would make it harder for the car to stop in time.

Well, then they'd be in deep....

50 posted on 09/15/2011 12:38:39 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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