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Confederate Flying Machine Will Rise Again at Auction
MSNBC ^ | September 13, 2011 | Jeremy Hsu

Posted on 09/14/2011 11:54:56 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

While Rebel and Union soldiers still fought it out with bayonets and cannons, a Confederate designer had the foresight to imagine flying machines attacking Northern armies. He couldn't implement his vision during the war, and the plans disappeared into history, until resurfacing at a rare book dealer's shop 150 years later. Now those rediscovered designs have found their way to the auction block, providing a glimpse at how Victorian-era technology could have beat the Wright Brothers to the punch. The papers of R. Finley Hunt, a dentist with a passion for flight, describe scenarios where flying machines bombed Federal troops across Civil War battlefields. Hunt's papers are set to go up for sale at the Space and Aviation Artifacts auction during the week of Sept. 15-22...

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anaconda; civilwar; history; merrimac; monitor; repeatingrifle; uscivilwar
A guy tried to start the Confederate Air Force 100 years ahead of schedule.
1 posted on 09/14/2011 11:54:59 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Somebody should try building one of these machines to see how they fly.


2 posted on 09/15/2011 12:06:39 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; Jonty30

Neato.


3 posted on 09/15/2011 12:13:04 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

A little late there Finley...


4 posted on 09/15/2011 12:16:58 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

“”What if planes had appeared above the wilderness when [Union general Ulysses S.] Grant began his campaign in the Shenandoah Valley?”

He would have bombed those damn yankee bluecoats back to the stone age?


5 posted on 09/15/2011 12:21:35 AM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; JoeProBono; Perdogg; SunkenCiv

Holy crap ! This guy was brilliant. That would've taken out the entire Yankee military in a matter of minutes.

6 posted on 09/15/2011 12:40:52 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The hot-air balloon existed at that time but was not used. I know the Confederates attempted to use submarines. Kind of gives a new twist to “the South shall rise again” doesn’t it?


7 posted on 09/15/2011 12:43:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The hot-air balloon existed at that time but was not used.

It was used, tethered, to observe for artillery and to keep track of troop movements.

I know the Confederates attempted to use submarines.

Not only attempted, but sank the first enemy vessel sunk in battle with one. That the Hunley sank on the way home only kept them from doing it again.

Kind of gives a new twist to “the South shall rise again” doesn’t it?

Yep!

8 posted on 09/15/2011 12:48:46 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

That would’ve taken out the entire Yankee military in a matter of minutes.

True, but it would have meant the extermination of the
whales. It was a tough call but someone had to make it.


9 posted on 09/15/2011 12:57:04 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: max americana

Grapeshot and elevated cannons?

Mythbusters should see if they can get one of these to fly...


10 posted on 09/15/2011 1:09:24 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

11 posted on 09/15/2011 2:18:21 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: Jonty30
Somebody should try building one of these machines to see how they fly.

I heartily agree. Some of Leonardo's machines have been built although, to my knowledge, not a flying machine. This Confederate flying machine might look like the time machine in the movie by the same name.

12 posted on 09/15/2011 2:49:21 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The hot-air balloon existed at that time but was not used.

Balloons were used and aerial imagery was recorded.

13 posted on 09/15/2011 2:50:40 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: BerryDingle

They doubled as barrage baloons as well. In fact, they were so effective that no strafing aircraft were used for the next 45 years. ;-)


14 posted on 09/15/2011 3:40:14 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: tet68

The US maintained air superiority in Vietnam, but still lost thanks to the media and politicians.

I have a friend that was there during tet. Thanks for your service.

My grandfather was in the 7th ID during WWI and my dad was in the Navy during the Korean War.


15 posted on 09/15/2011 3:59:10 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
An airplane with a steam engine was hardly a practical idea. Tethered balloons were used for observation during the Civil War.


16 posted on 09/15/2011 4:29:22 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark

One of my favorite books is “The Mysterious Island” by Jules Verne. It all started with a bunch of prisoners of war escaping in a balloon during the seige of Richmond. A storm blows them all the way to the pacific.


17 posted on 09/15/2011 5:02:52 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie
CAF... BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!

If there is a Red X above go to http://www.fisaviation.com/images/pa/bbp10.jpg

18 posted on 09/15/2011 5:53:26 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Colonel Kangaroo

19 posted on 09/15/2011 6:11:01 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

With the industrial superiority of the North over the South the introduction of flying machines would have turned out much the same as the introduction of ironclads during the war. The South had the first, but it didn’t do them any good, and they were overwhelmed in short order.


20 posted on 09/15/2011 6:32:53 AM PDT by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: ltc8k6

Myth busters are a bunch o knuckleheads. They take someone’s good idea, apply their lousy engineering skills,fail,and claim it is busted


21 posted on 09/15/2011 6:47:38 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: BerryDingle

I mean... not used as a mobile airborne platform for attacking troops.


22 posted on 09/15/2011 9:56:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I think the Union used balloons, during the Peninsula campaign.


23 posted on 09/15/2011 10:47:15 AM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Hot air balloons were used for reconnaissance, little more, and weren’t very effective because they were at the mercy of the winds. This discovery (even if it had been within the capabilities of the CSA, or some part of it likely) sounds like literal pie in the sky, a lost-causer dream. The response to the Merrimac was the Monitor, and the response to these things would have been the first anti-aircraft guns. :’)


24 posted on 09/16/2011 4:02:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Not only attempted, but sank the first enemy vessel sunk in battle with one. That the Hunley sank on the way home only kept them from doing it again.

The Hunley killed far more confederates than it did yankees.

25 posted on 09/16/2011 9:00:54 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
The Hunley killed far more confederates than it did yankees.

Yep, it did.

It sank repeatedly, killing 13 crewmembers total in two events before it was raised yet again and sortied to sink the Housatonic. One of those killed in those early mishaps was the inventor.

On the sortie which sank the Housatonic, only 5 yankees were killed, but the crew of eight in the Hunley was lost when the sub sank, as well as the submarine.

Considering, though this was the first time a submarine had sunk an opposting naval vessel in warfare, that was an accomplishment. Any fledgling technology will have its mishaps.

26 posted on 09/16/2011 9:39:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Had the Monitor not been under construction about the same time the CSS Virginia was built on the Merrimac's raised hull, the two would never have fought each other so early on. The Virginia would have broken blockades without an effective adversary that could keep her busy.

I always thought it was a grave tactical error not to pursue sinking the blockading ships in spite of the presence of the Monitor, putting that mission first and foremost, forcing the Monitor to come to those ships' defence.

The Virginia had enough guns to engage both a blockading ship and the Monitor at the same time.

27 posted on 09/16/2011 10:12:16 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: JoeProBono

It looks like some sort of radial engine, with a lighter boiler, would it have been powerful enough to get the plane off the ground? Or would it have been employed in a lighter-than-air craft?


28 posted on 09/16/2011 10:17:25 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

29 posted on 09/16/2011 10:35:32 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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