Rising GOP star Haley has own history with HPV vaccine fallout
Posted on 09/17/2011 3:24:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Michele Bachmann claims HPV vaccine made woman's daughter mentally retarded
‘After the debate was concluded, she also asserted that HPV vaccines cause “mental retardation.”’
I read to that point. As far as I know that was an outright lie. So I read no more.
“innocent little girls” can also mean little girls who are not sexually active - this vaccination is after all for a sexually transmitted disease.
Now I will agree just because someone believe such and such caused something it shouldn’t be repeated as likely fact. Especially from a person who wants to hold high office. Honest investigation should prevail.
It isn't a lie:
"Appearing on Fox News after the debate, Bachmann recounted a conversation with a woman in the audience. “There’s a woman who came up crying to me tonight after the debate. She said her daughter was given that vaccine,” Bachmann said. “She told me her daughter suffered mental retardation as a result. There are very dangerous consequences.”"
She said a woman told her that their daughter suffered mental retardation as a result. Are saying there was no woman who told her that?
That is essentially the same thing as Bush saying the British told him Saddam was seeking yellow cake from Niger and then everyone calling Bush a liar... Never mind that they did tell him that and said as much...
Sorry, stick a “you” between “Are” and “saying ...”
This author hit it out of the park. Her rational, factual and reasonable take on the subject should totally end this discussion as a campaign issue in my opinion. I wish we could get back to America’s number one issue: jobs and the economy.
I'm saying any candidate who quotes some unnamed person, making unverifiable claims, isn't showing a whole lot of good judgement. I'm sure nutjobs say all kinds of things to her on the campaign trail.
“I’m saying any candidate who quotes some unnamed person, making unverifiable claims, isn’t showing a whole lot of good judgement. I’m sure nutjobs say all kinds of things to her on the campaign trail.”
I don’t have a problem with that statement. I agree.
But you called her a liar. That is something all together different.
Sorry, correction to my previous response to you...
You said what the author of this article said was true - that Bachmann said it caused mental retardation - which is not what she said. I called what the author said a lie and you say its not.
A rare but documented side effect is brain damage. A layperson might call the results mental retardation.
Everyone seems to be missing Mrs. Bachmann’s larger point is that there’s no compelling reason for government to put its weight behind this vaccine, which is intended to guard against the consequences of consensual sexual behavior (rapes aside) even if it’s “for the chillun.” Not even to get it on an insured list, because that merely socialistically increases everybody’s premium including those who would never touch this vaccine. Mrs. Bachmann is on the side of choosing freedom. It would be better to outright subsidize the poor who wanted Gardasil, than the legal loop-the-loop proposed by Perry.
I didn't call her anything. You said this: "I read to that point. As far as I know that was an outright lie." Which implied to me that the event never happened; so I provided a quote showing it did. You weren't specific as to what the author was supposedly lying about.
DB, you get the award for the most use of the word “said” in the shortest post.
BACHMANN: Well, of course, I don't know the thoughts and the intents of the governor's heart. I have no idea what they are, nor would I speculate." SOURCE
I should have gone to bed hours ago... I mangled a number of posts tonight...
……....In summary, Gardasil has one of the most favorable risk-benefit ratios of any pharmaceutical.
Having spent 15 years at the FDA and having seen regulation — the good, the bad and the ugly — up close, I am as opposed to anyone (except perhaps Ron Paul) to non-essential government intrusion into our lives. But some interventions are good. Among those I would include vaccination against childhood diseases and compulsory use of seat belts and motorcycle helmets.
I am discouraged by politicians who not only don’t know much about science, technology, or medicine (which is perhaps understandable) but also don’t know what they don’t know (which is unacceptable).
Here’s my advice to the presidential hopefuls: If you’re not sure of the facts, keep quiet.” Henry I. Miller, M.D., is Robert Wesson Fellow in Scientific Philosophy & Public Policy Hoover Institution.]
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The American Academy of Pediatrics also issued a pointed rebuttal to Bachmann's comments, without mentioning her name:
The American Academy of Pediatrics would like to correct false statements made in the Republican presidential campaign that HPV vaccine is dangerous and can cause mental retardation. There is absolutely no scientific validity to this statement. Since the vaccine has been introduced, more than 35 million doses have been administered, and it has an excellent safety record.
The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the American Academy of Family Physicians all recommend that girls receive HPV vaccine around age 11 or 12. That’s because this is the age at which the vaccine produces the best immune response in the body, and because it’s important to protect girls well before the onset of sexual activity. In the U.S., about 6 million people, including teens, become infected with HPV each year, and 4,000 women die from cervical cancer. This is a life-saving vaccine that can protect girls from cervical cancer. Source
Opposing HPV Vaccine "Unethical" - M.D. Anderson Cancer Center President "............ Dr. Ronald DePinho, the new president of MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, says the vaccine is not just sound but "one of the great scientific advances in the history of medicine."......
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…….”The Gardasil vaccine was recommended the FDA’s vaccine approval committee, more than 6 months before Governor Perry’s Executive Order. All girls who qualified for the Federal Vaccines for Children program were eligible to receive the vaccine free of charge: Medicaid, CHIPs, and uninsured or those with insurance that won’t pay for vaccines. The Texas Legislature had previously delegated unconditional authority to mandate new vaccines to the Department of State Health Services, which is under Governor Perry and the Executive Branch.” Source
"The Governor’s Executive Order (RP 65) that caused all the controversy also ordered the director of DSHS to make it easier for parents to opt out of vaccines. The Legislature had changed the law from “opt in” to a requirement to “opt out” once for all the school years. Next, they changed to a two year limit on the opt out, and then in 2005, the Legislature restricted the period to one year and required a new State form bearing a “seal.” Parents had to go to Austin or start early in the summer. There were bureaucrats who maintained that the only way to get the form with the seal was to go to Austin, find the right office and make the request in person. Perry used his EO to tell the Director of DSHS to make the request (and the seal) available on-line, making it easier to “opt out.” Source
Michele Bachmann: Accidental Kamikaze
Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann – Minneapolis Convention Center – April 7, 2010
Sarah Palin’s Alaska Took Federal Funds to Increase Access to Gardasil
Virtually nobody’s talking about opposing Gardasil per se, even though it may add to “moral risk” as adolescent children become aware of its purpose. Certainly not Mrs. Bachmann.
A lot of people take great umbrage at putting the government’s weight behind it.
But smoking gets outlawed without blinking...right??
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