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The Worst Fox News-Google Debate Moment: Audience Boos a Gay Soldier
The Atlantic ^ | September 23, 2011 | Garance Franke-Ruta

Posted on 09/23/2011 12:19:04 AM PDT by lbryce

The last three GOP presidential primary debates have been nearly as notable for the actions of audience-members as for the candidates who appeared before them.

In California at the MSNBC-Politico debate at the Reagan library, the audience applauded mention of the high number of executions in Texas and Rick Perry's defense of the death penalty. "If you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of Texas, and that is that you will be executed," the Texas governor said to hoots, whistles, and applause.

In Tampa, Fla., at the CNN-Tea Party Express debate, the audience cheered the idea of letting an uninsured 30-year-old man die (video) without care, greeting the idea with applause and shouts of "Yeah!"

And last night, at the Fox News-Google debate in Orlando, Fla., some audience-members booed a recently-out gay soldier stationed in Iraq who submitted a question through Google's YouTube video-sharing site. His offense? Asking the candidates if they would circumvent the progress made for gays and lesbians in the military.

Watch the interaction with Stephen Hill:

"Any type of sexual activity has no place in the military," former senator Rick Santorum told Hill, saying that the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" ban on out service constituted "special privileges" and "social experimentation."

The audience response led former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer to tweet, "Booing a soldier serving our nation is uncalled for. If I were on stage, I would make that point."

But he wasn't on the stage, and none standing there spoke up on Hill's behalf.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dadt; debates; doaskdotell; gay; gop; homonaziagenda; homonazisoldier; homopsychoagenda; homopsychosoldier; homosexualagenda; homosexualism; homotyranny; homotyrantsoldier; narcissism; republicanvalues; ricksantorum; santorum
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1 posted on 09/23/2011 12:19:16 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce
The audience response led former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer to tweet, "Booing a soldier serving our nation is uncalled for.

Correct.

2 posted on 09/23/2011 12:23:42 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (undecided)
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To: lbryce

That moment and the dog poop joke were the best parts.


3 posted on 09/23/2011 12:25:14 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Darkwolf377

He’s not being booed for being a soldier, he is being booed for his behavior. Being a soldier does not indemnify one against their other actions being judged.


4 posted on 09/23/2011 12:26:36 AM PDT by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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To: lbryce

“Any type of sexual activity has no place in the military”

This can’t be repeated enough. Gays out. Women waaaaay in the back / homefront. Soldiers in.

Keep that stuff at home, off base, or on shore-leave.


5 posted on 09/23/2011 12:27:42 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: lbryce

worth noting that gay men have bravely served the United States in every war since the Revolutionary War. However, they kept their personal life private and that is how it should be when serving your country in the serious role of serving in the military.


6 posted on 09/23/2011 12:28:20 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: lbryce

Who cares about a few scattered boos. Santorum hit that question out of the park. I believe few up on stage would have taken it head on like Rick without hedging and being overly PC. Santorum is a solid guy.


7 posted on 09/23/2011 12:29:36 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Dragonspirit
He’s not being booed for being a soldier, he is being booed for his behavior. Being a soldier does not indemnify one against their other actions being judged.

He asked a question--he didn't perform any "actions". And I suspect if a soldier was booed at a Dem event, you wouldn't be defending the action because "he wasn't being booed for being a soldier" (which NO ONE has suggested).

As a soldier, he deserves the respect of those whose lives he is defending with his own. Has nothing to do with condoning his point of view.

Man, we can't even show simple respect to our soldiers anymore unless they're "our" kind of soldiers? What the heck is going on here?

8 posted on 09/23/2011 12:32:08 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (undecided)
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To: Dragonspirit

9 posted on 09/23/2011 12:32:30 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO:Satan's Evil Twin)
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To: lbryce

Frankly the audiences at these debates may just lose this election for the Repubs.


10 posted on 09/23/2011 12:34:29 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Dragonspirit
"He’s not being booed for being a soldier, he is being booed for his behavior."

For conduct that SHOULD get him dishonorably discharged. The disruption caused by Obama's pandering to the homosexual lobby will likely have terrible repercussions.

Rick Santorum gave an excellent answer, by the way.

11 posted on 09/23/2011 12:40:10 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: lbryce
Honesty is the best policy. Coddling a pervert who incidentally got beat up, fired, served his country, is sick, etc., is polite, but not honest. These homos need to accept that their actions are sick demented and immoral, not parade their deficiencies as though they were badges of achievement.
12 posted on 09/23/2011 12:43:00 AM PDT by anton
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To: lbryce

The soldier’s question illuminates a point: the UCMJ section banning homosexual acts is (as far as I know) unchanged. President Obama’s ‘ending’ the ban could be reversed by another Executive Order, by the next President, or even by himself, if it should prove to be necessary for good order and discipline. So, for a serviceman or woman of homophilliac tendancies, knowing what the candidates’ position would be on the question is essential. If one is such a person, and if one has made the mistake of going public with one’s preferences, and if a candidate who would reinstitute the ban looks likely to win the next election , it would be a good time to consider a change in careers.


13 posted on 09/23/2011 12:43:08 AM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: lbryce
Sacrifice the land of freak and the home of the knave on the alter of perversion. can i get a hooah? /crickets...

The knife is firmly embedded in the back of our military.

14 posted on 09/23/2011 12:43:15 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: lbryce
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever."

-- Thomas Jefferson


15 posted on 09/23/2011 12:44:37 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: lbryce

Got a child to donate??


16 posted on 09/23/2011 12:44:54 AM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: Marty62

I agree. From another thread, slightly corrected:

I wish people wouldn’t boo or cheer at these things. Let the answers come, and let viewers sit there and think for themselves.

We are right on so many issues, but those we hope to sway back off at such displays from the audience—while the curious viewer should be thinking about what the candidate says, and should be thinking about that without the emotion, he’s suddenly blasted with boos and instinctively backs off.

Most people don’t hate gays—they just want them to leave the rest of us alone. So when a serving soldier in Iraq asks this question, to suddenly hear boos from the crowd has the potential to make a wavering viewer back off just when the candidates gave good responses that reasonable people can agree with.

No, I’m not talking about preventing freedom of expression. I’m just recalling how when I wasn’t as conservative as I am now, listening to the answers at presidential debates given by Reagan, for example, and then later hearing the MSM flip out over certain things, I’d think “That’s not how I received that answer.”

The cheering and such makes it so much more like a lib emotion-charged event, instead of an opportunity to hear responses. And I don’t care if someone’s gay or whatever, if they’re a soldier they deserve to say what they have to say, even if it’s stupid.


17 posted on 09/23/2011 12:45:23 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (undecided)
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To: lbryce

Knowing the candidates’ policy on rendition of dual citizenship terrorists in the military is also important to the terrorists in question. Shall we refrain from booing them also?


18 posted on 09/23/2011 12:49:07 AM PDT by anton
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To: Marty62

I think there are a hell of a lot more people who feel that way than the media lets on. And people are also tired of gays being in the debate at all with so many serious issues that need to be discussed. People have had enough of the bull coming from interest group advocacy.


19 posted on 09/23/2011 12:51:13 AM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: Waco

Why? Have you already donated all of yours?


20 posted on 09/23/2011 12:51:13 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO:Satan's Evil Twin)
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To: VietVet

If you say you will put DADT back—you will get the military vote.
The privacy of the ballot protects from being arrested by the PC MPs for the new military thought crime of “homophobia.”


21 posted on 09/23/2011 1:03:12 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Yer it!")
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To: Darkwolf377

The Democratic party of John F. Kennedy (before the commies took control) had to deal with this kind of thing in the 60s when some Strom Thurmond Dixiecrat goons stood up and went wacko with a cheer or a boo from time to time. It wasnt always cut and dry blatent or intended to be an intentional symbol of hatred, but it looks terrible on television.

the only difference is that the media was not against the Dems in those days. they are against us


22 posted on 09/23/2011 1:05:26 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: icanhasbailout

The economy is collapsing in unsustainable debt and this is the most important issue........MY A**!

(No Pun Intended)


23 posted on 09/23/2011 1:05:26 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

I don’t think people are thinking strategery... ;) ...but they should.

I hope people enjoyed that boo, cuz you can be sure we’re going to be seeing it over and over and over in the coming months leading up to the election. And it won’t be our side repeating it.


24 posted on 09/23/2011 1:09:10 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (undecided)
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To: Nextrush

Exactly. Anyone who thinks the gay rights agenda is worth a place in the national conversation has way different priorities than the average person.


25 posted on 09/23/2011 1:14:23 AM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: lbryce

How do we know that some of the booers at these debates weren’’t agents-provocateurs planted by the other side? (Inquiring minds want to know).


26 posted on 09/23/2011 1:14:39 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Anybody but Baracchio in 2012)
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To: All

Santorum got it dead on.

That soldier wanted to out himself as gay and people didn’t approve—just like that gay military magazine said—GET OVER IT.


27 posted on 09/23/2011 1:15:21 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: lbryce

The Germans heckled 0bidi0t on his 08 Euro tour. He cancelled France the next day.


28 posted on 09/23/2011 1:19:06 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Darkwolf377

Ever stop to think they were booing the question? The fact that he exposes himself (no pun intended)opens him up for reactions such as this. His service is respected; his lifestyle is not.

We have had to grant special status to homosexuals and told to shut up. Just as this soldier exercises his free speech and freedom of association, so too did the audience.


29 posted on 09/23/2011 1:29:10 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: lbryce

There is a difference between booing a question asked, which was a “gotcha” question and the person asking it for his personal beliefs, actions, etc.

This author is doing what all liberals do in pulling the race card on anyone who asks a similar question of OZERO or criticizes him in any way.


30 posted on 09/23/2011 1:35:22 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: NTHockey

With gays, it is “Hi, I’m GAY” first and foremost. That they are soldiers, or teachers (or whatever) appears to be secondary to their gay agenda. This is an indicator of the narcissism that permeates their “me first” thinking. It is they who can’t seem to “get over it (being gay).” In essence, they are proclaiming their “special status” and expectations to be coddled like babies.


31 posted on 09/23/2011 1:54:06 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: EverOnward

The vice that dare not speak its name has become the vice that won’t shut up.


32 posted on 09/23/2011 2:03:40 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: icanhasbailout

The unbridled narcissism of gays is the reason people dislike them. It’s ALWAYS about them and their precious sexuality - world wide, 24/7/365.

Economy tanking? People don’t like where I like to put my penis.

Country overrun by illegals? People don’t like where I like to put my penis.

War in Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya/Somalia/etc a disastrous embarrassment? People don’t like where I like to put my penis.

Government schools turning out indoctrinated morons? People don’t like where I like to put my penis.

Government trying to disarm the citizens through Fast & Furious? People don’t like where I like to put my penis.

Terrorist cells forming throughout the land? People don’t like where I like to put my penis.

Feral gangs taking over large swaths of our country? People don’t like where I like to put my penis.

EPA ruining our energy and industrial and agricultural competitiveness? People don’t like where I like to put my penis.

Dollar worthless? Earthquakes and tsunamis? Corruption and graft? Public union thuggery? Iran getting nukes? People don’t like where I like to put my penis.

Aren’t you people listening??? I said, people don’t like where I like to put my penis!!! I’m gonna get the government to FORCE you to like where I like to put my penis. My PENIS! My precious PENIS!!! You understand? MY PENIS!!! It’s a Gay Penis! It’s ALL I care about, and I’m gonna force you to care about it and love it like I do. You hear?!! MY PENIS!!!!!


33 posted on 09/23/2011 2:06:40 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: lbryce

I agree in principle, but in both these cases (the previous debate) I saw it as more booing the policy, not the individuals involved.

That said, don’t go there!


34 posted on 09/23/2011 2:12:44 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Santorum gained a lot of ground tonight, IMHO.

I think once Perry fades (and he will), Santorum will emerge as the candidate best-suited to take on Romney and win.

And I’m not a person who has paid the least bit of attention to Santorum in this race. But in the last two debates he has spoken with authenticity, not in canned soundbites. He also seems quite relaxed and simply focused on making points that are meaningful to the country’s problems.


35 posted on 09/23/2011 2:15:57 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: lbryce
Wow! Go, Rick! I hope Santorum hangs in. He is a terrific conservative, regardless of the grudge held by some nincompoops around here because he made a political miscalculation and didn't endorse Pat Toomey over Arlen Specter back in 2004. (Ironically, Toomey has said he supports the sodomization of the US military. He will not get another vote from me.)

Faggot soldiers who want to push the radical homosexual agenda on the US military make me throw up in my mouth a little.

36 posted on 09/23/2011 2:16:43 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: UnwashedPeasant

Speaking of that, has Obama ever gotten around to getting the UCMJ changed or is he expecting homosexuals to be celibate so as to be compliant with the Code?


37 posted on 09/23/2011 2:17:24 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: Marty62

That’s a little over-dramatic, don’t you think?

Most people understand that boorish behavior is representative of the individuals engaging in it.


38 posted on 09/23/2011 2:19:11 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: EverOnward; All

We can all do our part to stop this “I’m special” treatment by refusing to use PC jargon. These people are NOT gay; they are homosexuals. Just as the terrorists are Mohammedans, not Muslims.

I am sure that there are many other instances where we have been forced t accept an increasingly “words mean what I say they mean” environment. STOP IT NOW!


39 posted on 09/23/2011 2:20:15 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Darkwolf377

I didn’t think he was being booed for his behavior. I thought the policy was being booed and then the booing stopped as soon as it became clear that the soldier was FOR homosexuals in the military.

IOW, at first, I thought, and perhaps the audience did as well, that the soldier was in the process of saying “what are you going to do about this atrocious politicalization of the military that was the repeal of DADT?”

Anyway, clearly people should be more measured in their responses.


40 posted on 09/23/2011 2:22:44 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: All; Marty62
Frankly the audiences at these debates may just lose this election for the Repubs.

It wouldn't surprise me.

I understood the "cheers" for the death penalty in the context of the debate behind held in a state with just 17 executions in 30 years with over 713 awaiting death, with more dead by natural cause or suicide than by actual application of the sentence. Further there's been a judge-imposed moratorium for years. The cheer was for a place where a jury's verdict matters.

I laughed at the so-called "dying man" question because the way Wolf Blitzer presented it was outlandish.

I was not impressed by the booing of a man serving his nation and asking potential commanders-in-chief about a timely policy change directly effecting the services. It was a serious question and entirely expected. I even suspected Santorum would get it because the press want to go to the "extreme" on any question. Bachmann, an evangelical, gets a question about Church-and-State. The "anti-gay" Santorum gets the question on DADT.

Did we learn anything about Santorum on that? NO. We knew where he'd be just by searching his name online. What about Romney, who got a deferment? Or Cain, who worked for the Navy? Or Perry, who served in the Air Force? Or another candidate?

41 posted on 09/23/2011 2:27:23 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Ryan: Obama "a pyromaniac in a field of straw men" / Andre Carson's racism goes unchecked)
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To: dagogo redux

You’re not wrong.

My neighbor flies a flag over his house by which he intends to let the world know what sex acts he engages in and with whom.

WHY?


42 posted on 09/23/2011 2:27:38 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: Darkwolf377

I agree. Your exactly right about the not allowing viewers to hear answers and make up their own minds.

Your right. I don’t have that kind of hate in me. I just don’t want certain things thrown in my face.

but I don’t care who it is. If they are going to die for this Country, the very least they deseerve is a little respect. The booing of an Army member in Afganistan turned my stomach.


43 posted on 09/23/2011 2:31:19 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: rfp1234
How do we know that some of the booers at these debates

The whole thing was off putting to me - and I am a political junky. I disliked the cheering AND the booing. I disliked the quick cuts for breathless reports on Google stuff.

That the candidates signed off on the format is again evidence that The Stupid Party marches on.

44 posted on 09/23/2011 2:35:26 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Dragonspirit; Darkwolf377
He’s not being booed for being a soldier, he is being booed for his behavior.

Exactly. And for his politically view which does have a place in the debate. It's interesting how the MSM can spin this by saying Republicans were booing a soldier.

45 posted on 09/23/2011 2:37:24 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Darkwolf377
He got to ask a question ONLY BECAUSE HE"S GAY!!

Open Gays in the military is the WORST thing that has happened to this country.

46 posted on 09/23/2011 3:03:42 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Darkwolf377

What if he said he’s a PEDOPHILE???? What would be the difference??? He ONLY wants to think about SEX, ANAL SEX!!! They were RIGHT in BOOING! It’s DISGUSTING!


47 posted on 09/23/2011 3:05:56 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: lbryce

I think the audience was booing the stupidity of the topic and/or question, when there are much more important things to think about.

I think it was Paul or Santorum who was answering, and it was dead-on

SEX HAS NO PLACE IN THE MILITARY

You can be whatever you want, just KEEP IT TO YOURSELF

Don’t ask, don’t tell was a perfectly fine policy. If someone talked about sex in my workplace they would be fired (hetero or gay) for discussing innapropriate topics.

And the bosses here made it clear- you’re here to do your job- not to talk about your sex life. Period.


48 posted on 09/23/2011 3:08:07 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket~!!!)
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To: Darkwolf377

Agreed.


49 posted on 09/23/2011 3:22:53 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: lbryce

Why wasn’t “Stephen” identified by his rank?
I didn’t hear the booing, because as soon as the video was over I wondered aloud to my wife why the service member’s rank was not given.
In every case I can think of where a service member is on the news media, they are identified by their rank, even after their ETS.
This stood out to me.


50 posted on 09/23/2011 3:30:39 AM PDT by PalmettoMason ("The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.")
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