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Anti-Gun Groups Using Suicide to Trick Gun Retailers into Doing their Dirty Work
Ammoland ^ | 23 September, 2011 | By Evan F. Nappen, Attorney at Law

Posted on 09/26/2011 5:18:28 AM PDT by marktwain

New Hampshire --(Ammoland.com)- Recently New Hampshire gun dealers were sent a large manila envelope from the NH Firearms Safety Coalition.

The packet contained a number of items with a disturbing anti-gun-rights message, including a full color poster proclaiming:

“Suicides In NH Far Outnumber Homicides. Firearms Are The Leading Method Attempts With A Gun Are More Deadly Than Attempts With Other Methods.”

The poster may be viewed here: www.theconnectproject.org/uploads/docs/Posterfinal.pdf .

Misleading & a Recipe for a Lawsuit Suicides outnumber homicides in NH because NH is a low-crime state. According to the National Institute of Mental Heath, firearms are not the “LEADING METHOD” amongst women; poisonings are the “LEADING METHOD” for that demographic. Firearms are a tool which can abused like anything else. Their effectiveness in suicide is irrelevant. The major causes of suicide, such as untreated depression, are the real problem.

The packet also included a “Tip Sheet” to New Hampshire firearm retailers that lists eight “Signs that a potential buyer could be suicidal,” eight “Options for responding to a potentially suicidal buyer,” and four “What else can I do” suggestions. This “Tip Sheet” creates a handy checklist for a personal injury attorney to use when suing a gun dealer who sells a gun to a suicide victim. One can well imagine the trial lawyer questioning the gun dealer “Tip” by “Tip” as to whether the gun dealer noticed any of the listed “Tips” or whether he had trained his employees to do so. The “Tip Sheet” may be viewed here:

www.theconnectproject.org/uploads/docs/Tipsfordealers.pdf .

There is also a “Firearm Purchase Checklist” provided for customers to sign. This “Checklist” includes such affirmations as “I am not buying this firearm with the intent of harming another person or myself and pledge to use it only in a legal and responsible manner.” So much for a person buying a gun for self defense, since the intent of a self defense purchaser is very much to harm another person by the lawful use of deadly force, should it become necessary.

The “Firearm Purchase Checklist” also requires the salesperson to know the buyer’s true intent for the purchase of the gun by requiring the salesperson to sign off on the following: “Salesperson: I have demonstrated the safe operation and locking of this firearm and have removed the chamber plug. Nothing in the purchaser’s manner, actions, or speech indicate that he/she intends to use this firearm for illegal purposes or is otherwise unqualified to legally own or safely operate a firearm. I have double-checked all paperwork associated with this sale and certify that it is accurate and complete in all respects.” (Emphasis added) This way, the salesperson can be held accountable if there is a future problem. The “Firearm Purchase Checklist” may be viewed here:

www.theconnectproject.org/uploads/docs/FirearmPurchaseChecklist.pdf .

There is even a video posted online (www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Fu2qmShZg) pushing this effort, and the speaker says, at 0:30,“The Firearms Safety Coalition people came in and asked me to put it up. I know they are not anti-firearm but they are anti-suicide.” (Emphasis added)


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: antifreedom; banglist; nh; suicide
Interesting leftist project to set up gun dealers.
1 posted on 09/26/2011 5:18:38 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Who Is Behind This?
Unfortunately, if one follows the money trail it ends up that two of the nation’s top anti-gun-rights activist foundations are helping to fund the project. The cover letter dated August 16, 2011 that dealers received in their packets states at the bottom that “This project is funded by: Community Health and Healing Fund, NAMI NH; Bureau of Behavioral Health, NH DHHS; Harvard School of Public Health; Injury Prevention Center at Dartmouth; and Riley’s Gun Shop.” (Emphasis added) The letter may be viewed here: http://pgnh.org/nhfsc_letter_0 .

According to the Harvard School of Public Health, they run the “Means Matter” project which looks to reduce the “Means” of suicide (as opposed to the cause), and they state the following on their website (www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/ ):

“The Harvard Injury Control Research Center is dedicated to reducing injury through training, research, intervention, evaluation, and dissemination… The Center is part of the Harvard School of Public Health. The Means Matter Campaign is funded by The Joyce Foundation and the David Bohnett Foundation.”

The funding path goes down from the Harvard School of Public Health to the Harvard Injury Control Research Center to the Bohnett Foundation and the Joyce Foundation. Both the Bohnett and Joyce foundations are infamous for being extremely anti-gun-rights.

The David Bohnett Foundation “supports and encourages groups that promote the goals of reduction and elimination of the manufacture and sale of handguns in the U.S.” (Emphasis added) The Bohnett Foundation has donated $198,000 to the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence (formerly Handgun Control, Inc.), $30,000 to the Campus Alliance to End Gun Violence, $235,000 to the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence, $105,000 to States United to Prevent Gun Violence, and $325,000 to the Violence Policy Center.

Since 2003, the Joyce Foundation has paid grants totaling over $12 million to gun control organizations. The largest recipient of grant monies is the notorious Violence Policy Center, which received $4,154,970 between 1996 and 2006. The VPC is a rabid anti-gun-rights group that wants total bans on handguns and semi-automatic firearms, and major controls placed on gun owners. The NRA has described the Joyce Foundation as an activist foundation whose “shadowy web of huge donations” leads “straight to puppet strings that control the agenda of gun ban groups.”

The NRA has warned about the anti-gun-rights movement using the suicide and guns issue to promote their anti-second amendment agenda.

The NRA states on their suicide and firearms fact sheet: “Gun owners should be aware of basic concepts and available data on suicide and firearms in order to be able to counter anti-gun propaganda that appears in the media and elsewhere. Suicide is a serious issue. It deserves serious, scholarly discussion, rather than use as a political football by unscrupulous propagandists grasping at any opportunity to make a case for their preordained agenda.”

The fact sheet, which includes a number of well-researched footnotes, may be viewed here: www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=117&issue=023 .

Treat the Cause Not the Means
The major causes (not means) of suicide, like untreated depression, are the real problem. Frankly, “Means” do NOT really matter. Making guns a scapegoat is wrong, and part of an anti-gun-rights ploy funded by major anti-gun-rights groups. Doing so puts dealers and ranges at greater risk for lawsuits and new anti-gun laws. If people want to kill themselves there are endless ways to do so—as shown by the high suicide rates in countries such as Japan, where guns are essentially unavailable.

Unfortunately, some well intentioned folks have been used to promote a campaign that threatens our gun rights. The anti-gun-rights crowd likes nothing better than when we destroy ourselves by unknowingly supporting their efforts.

About:
Evan Nappen (www.efnappen.com) is a criminal defense attorney who has focused in firearms and weapons law for over 23 years. He is the author of New Hampshire Gun, Knife, and Weapon Law and the New Jersey Gun Law Guide. He is a director and the General Counsel of Pro-Gun New Hampshire, Inc. (http://www.pgnh.org/).


2 posted on 09/26/2011 5:21:10 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain

If Riley’s Gun Shop in Hookset, NH is aligned with this group, I certainly will not be providing that firm with any more of my business.


3 posted on 09/26/2011 5:26:07 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: marktwain

“...requires the salesperson to know the buyer’s true intent for the purchase of the gun...”

Uh...this is the gun I want.


4 posted on 09/26/2011 5:31:10 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: marktwain
“I am not buying this firearm with the intent of harming another person or myself

i'm starting to get into high power and larger bore rifles, i'm probably going to hurt my shoulder quite a bit.. does that count?
5 posted on 09/26/2011 5:37:23 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: G Larry

Suicides outnumbr homocides by about 50 percent the world over. It’s not something new in the news. Check out the Almanac and red it for yourself.


6 posted on 09/26/2011 5:40:24 AM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: G Larry
Uh...this is the gun I want.

Reminds me of the arguments I've had with my Loony Lefty brother-in-law. He always starts with, "Why do you need a gun?"

I always respond, "I don't need a reason."

7 posted on 09/26/2011 5:40:48 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Deploy. Dominate. Disappear.)
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To: Redleg Duke
I have purchased many guns and supplies at Riley's and I think I know the people there well enough to say that they would have absolutely no part of an effort like this. The owner was a Ron Paul supporter in '08, if that tells you anything.
8 posted on 09/26/2011 5:42:06 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: marktwain

Would you rather have them jumping off buildings and possibly harming others in the process?... and what about suicide rites, don’t these folks have a right to the method of their choice, and most of them prefer a “quick kill”. Ahh, the beauty of satire...


9 posted on 09/26/2011 5:42:46 AM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: marktwain

Ping


10 posted on 09/26/2011 5:43:47 AM PDT by Zippo44 (Liberal: another word for poltroon.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Better Answer:

“To maintain my proficiency in protecting my family and myself, since the cops are never there when you need them.”


11 posted on 09/26/2011 5:46:36 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: G Larry
Possibly. But that opens up the spectre of him showing up at my door empty handed when TSHTF and the zombies are free to roam.

I don't mind helping those in need but I do require them to bring something to the party, be willing to stand a watch and hit what they aim at.

12 posted on 09/26/2011 5:54:33 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Deploy. Dominate. Disappear.)
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To: marktwain
Gun Facts

Fact: For every accidental death (802), suicide (16,869) or homicide (11,348)118with a firearm (29,019), 13 lives (390,000)119 are preserved through defensive use.

Fact: Though the number of firearms owned by private citizens has been increasing steadily since 1970, the overall rate of homicides and suicides has not risen. As the chart shows, there is no correlation between the availability of firearms and the rates of homicide and suicide in America.

Fact: The rate of suicide is not affected by the presence of a firearm. This is true in either a time-series analysis (like the chart at right showing the change in handgun supply in the U.S. over time), or through cross-national analysis. For example, Japan has no private handgun ownership (aside from an extremely limited number of licensed Olympic sport shooters), and yet had a suicide rate more than twice that of the United States in 2002.


Myth: Handguns are 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a criminal

Fact: Of the 43 deaths reported in this flawed study, 37 (86%) were suicides. Other deaths involved criminal activity between the family members (drug deals gone bad).

Fact: Of the remaining deaths, the deceased family members include felons, drug dealers, violent spouses committing assault, and other criminals.

Fact: Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator. This means you are much more likely to prevent a crime without bloodshed than hurt a family member.

13 posted on 09/26/2011 5:55:12 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

It’s not a Bill of Needs. Tell him that.


14 posted on 09/26/2011 5:55:25 AM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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Excellent. I’ll remember that one.


15 posted on 09/26/2011 5:57:39 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Deploy. Dominate. Disappear.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Fact: Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator. This means you are much more likely to prevent a crime without bloodshed than hurt a family member.

What's the percentage for WOUNDING of the predator? (More range time needed)

16 posted on 09/26/2011 6:08:23 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: marktwain

To paraphrase Archie Bunker:

Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they were to jump out of windows?


17 posted on 09/26/2011 6:11:34 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: andy58-in-nh
I have purchased from Riley's as well, but living near Milford, I have purchased locally at Milford Firearms. Good guy and decent prices.

Riley's needs to get the word out that they have been used.

18 posted on 09/26/2011 6:28:30 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: marktwain
The major causes (not means) of suicide, like untreated depression, are the real problem. Frankly, “Means” do NOT really matter. Making guns a scapegoat is wrong, and part of an anti-gun-rights ploy funded by major anti-gun-rights groups. Doing so puts dealers and ranges at greater risk for lawsuits and new anti-gun laws. If people want to kill themselves there are endless ways to do so—as shown by the high suicide rates in countries such as Japan, where guns are essentially unavailable.

This is a very important point, and bears repeating.

The cause of suicide lies within the individual. Firearms are chosen as the means, I suspect, because suicide by firearm is perceived as being quick and painless. Other means, such as cutting one's wrists, overdosing, or a motor vehicle "accident," are slower, possibly painful, and may not be as likely to succeed.

Further, the cause (suicidal intention) is very probably something the individual has kept hidden from everyone in his (or possibly her) life. Family, friends, co-workers, those nearest to the individual, often do not have a clue that the individual is suicidal until it is too late. Yet, a gun store clerk is supposed to be able to "diagnose" suicidality in a few minutes' time? Really?

19 posted on 09/26/2011 6:32:10 AM PDT by susannah59
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To: marktwain

We need bridge control.

We must close The Golden Gate Bridge because hundreds of people have junped off the structure since it first opened in the 1930’s.


20 posted on 09/26/2011 6:58:24 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Obama inherited a mild recession from George W. Bush and turned it into a major depression.)
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To: marktwain

Those at the Harvard School of Public Health and anyone else at all familiar with the causes of individual behaviors such as suicide attempts all know the theories that explain such behavior. It is common and essential knowledge for any expert in the field. If one of them promotes this garbage in public, ask them where, in the Theory of Planned Behavior, the availability of a firearm is an influence on the intent to commit suicide. They all know that it is a negligible influence. The Theory of Planned Behavior has been extensively studied and explains the intent to do something pretty well. It is probably the most widely accepted predictor theory.
When you show that you know this, it will catch them by surprise, and they will have to really scramble for an explanation.


21 posted on 09/26/2011 7:28:06 AM PDT by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
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To: Redleg Duke

I’ve got to make a run down 101 to check out the selection at Milford. Been meaning to do that for a while now.


22 posted on 09/26/2011 7:46:17 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: marktwain

“Suicides In NH Far Outnumber Homicides. Firearms Are The Leading Method Attempts With A Gun Are More Deadly Than Attempts With Other Methods.”

Years ago some city enacted a three day waiting period to try and prevent suicides by gun.

Several people were turned down when they tried to buy guns. Later these same exact people killed themselves by other means.

The local police chief bragged about how the waiting period had prevented gun suicides.

But these same people were STILL DEAD by their own hand.


23 posted on 09/26/2011 8:34:07 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: marktwain

Many years ago San Francisco had several murders in one weekend. No guns were involved.

The local police and politicians called for more GUN CONTROL” to prevent such thing from happening in the future.


24 posted on 09/26/2011 8:36:31 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: marktwain

One of the responses should be simple. Create a checklist of the eight “Signs that a potential leaflet distributor could be gun-control fanatic or work for a contingency lawyer,” eight “Options for responding to an attempt to trick you into legally exposing yourself to litigation or barratry,” and four “What else can I do” suggestions.


25 posted on 09/26/2011 8:55:21 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Fact: The rate of suicide is not affected by the presence of a firearm.

In general true. The CDC (bless their hearts) did a study which found the only group where firearms ownership resulted is a statistically significant higher incidence of suicide was white males over 70.

Save the Geezer! Ban the Gun!

26 posted on 09/26/2011 9:20:01 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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