RUSH: Why Aren't They Begging Rubio?

www.rushlimbaugh.com ^ | September 29, 2011 | Rush Limbaugh

[Squeeky]

These people, who look like a Obotski Bowling Team to me:

The Gert Jonnys

OH Tee Hee!

[Yosemitest]

Another case of "Liberals Lie".
You provide no links to back up you theory.
I can find nothing on the internet to back you up.
You waste my time.
I refer you back to post #63, Post #11, post #64, and post #70.

[Yosemitest]

"there is a legally recognized difference between these term"

I refer you to post #70.

[patlin]

I can find nothing on the internet to back you up

Then you didn't read the entire post as I gave you the information on where to find it/ Don't blame me if you can't take the time to actually read the archives.

28th Congress, 2nd Session
page 129

[Yosemitest]

I'm not wasting any more time on your fictitious theories.
You can't provide a link, because it isn't there.

[patlin]

http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA129&dq=congress+globe+1845&ei=VytzTfSfBoGDgAe3vfjjBw&ct=result&sqi=2&id=YWEUAAAAYAAJ#v=onepage&q=congress%20globe%201845&f=false

[patlin]

Yosemitest is a hard core Rubio junkie. Good luck as I haven’t had any thus far.

[Yosemitest]

I can't even read that.
Show me the LAW. Show me the Law under a government site.
I'm not accepting that.
Maybe it's time the Supreme Court cleared up this mess.

[Yosemitest]

First Palin, then Bachmann, then Cain, then Newt, then Santorum, then Rubio,
but NEVER Romney, Perry, Ron Paul, Jon Huntsman, or Gary Johnson, and I'm not so sure about Chris Christie.

[patlin]

First Palin

Finally, something we can agree on!

[patlin]

so easy a kid could do it

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=015/llcg015.db&recNum=552

[BladeBryan]

“Wong Kim petitioned the court as a NATIVE born citizen. The court agreed he was such, but the finding made the distinction between natural-born and native born.”

According the majority opinion in WKA, the language is based on English common law, and the Court quotes British jurist A.V. Dicey: “’Natural-born British subject’ means a British subject who has become a British subject at the moment of his birth.” Thus the distinction between native-born and natural-born is that natural-born also included citizens from birth who were not born in the U.S., such as John S. McCain III.

[Yosemitest]

I read:

"The Supreme Court has never explicitly ruled on whether
children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents are entitled to birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment,
although it has generally been assumed that they are.
A birth certificate (a.k.a Certificate of Live Birth for children born in certain states) issued by a U.S. state
or territorial government is evidence of citizenship, and is usually accepted as proof of citizenship."

That clears it up for me.

[patlin]

HAHAHAHAHA, United States nationality law according to an astronomy website. Now that’s funny! No wonder no one takes you seriously.

[Yosemitest]

Everyone needs a laugh every now and then.

[patlin]

Permit me to point out the obvious error on that non govt website:

A birth certificate (a.k.a Certificate of Live Birth for children born in certain states) issued by a U.S. state
or territorial government is evidence of citizenship, and is usually accepted as proof of citizenship.”

1st govt laws don't use a.k.a. and 2nd “usually accepted” means doubt and the framers did not put one word in the US Constitution that could be construed with any sort of doubt. Thus the grandfather clause. Even the founding fathers who became president never considered themselves natural born citizens even though they had been born on American soil. When more than one nationality exists at birth, it is the result of man made law, not natural law the reason the word “usually accepted” is used instead of “always accepted”.

[bushpilot1]

let me dig out something in my files..to give you a better understanding..

“The country of the child is that of the father.”

“There is” says McLeod, “something in the idea of native country which is intimately connected with the doctrine of allegiance. It is not, however, the spot of earth, upon which the child is born that connects him with the national society, but the relation of the child’s parents to that society.”

[Yosemitest]

I just needed a laugh and I figured you did too.
I trust Mark Levin (post #63) because he's one of the best legal minds in the country.
I would also think that you would trust Dean C. Haskins (post #70) since he's the Executive Director of The Birther Summit.
Lets read his reply to Bernard Goldberg's

Who Is A “Natural Born Citizen”?
Posted: July 19, 2011

So I’m on the O’Reilly Factor and I say
if the Republicans don’t put Marco Rubio on their national ticket they need to get their heads examined.
Such is my regard for the freshman senator from Florida.

What followed were emails from people who told me
that Rubio can’t be vice president
because the Constitution says only “natural born citizens” can be president or vice president,
and he doesn’t fit the description.

Some went a tad further.
Ray said I need to “wake up.”
Gregor – who signed his name “American by Birth – Patriot by Choice” said my comment about Rubio was both “uneducated” and “foolish.”
Edward said, “I’m sure you have read the Constitution but I urge you to reread Article I, Section II which gives the qualifications for president.”
David simply stated that,
“Neither of Marco Rubio’s parents were citizens of our country when he was born.
Therefore, Marco Rubio is not a Natural Born Citizen of the United States.”

I’m always amused when I get letters from self-appointed “scholars” who have no doubt – none! – about how knowledgeable they are
when it comes to constitutional law even though not one of them spent even 10 minutes in law school.
How do I know?
If they had, trust me, they would have mentioned it – IN CAPITAL LETTERS!

Many of these people, I suspect, have another agenda, which I’ll get to shortly. But first …

The Constitution does not define the term “natural born citizen.”
And as Wikipedia explains,
“scholars and politicians have not agreed as to whether U.S.-born children of non-citizens … qualify as natural born citizens.”

Also from Wikipedia:
“The natural born citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court and lower courts,
but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential candidate’s eligibility as a natural born citizen.”

So what did the Founders have in mind when they used that term they didn’t bother to define?
Well, after the Constitution was ratified, some of the Founders opined about the meaning of the clause.
Here’s what James Madison, one of the authors of the Constitution, had to say on the subject in a speech before the House of Representatives in May 1789:

“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance.
Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage;
but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.”

So Mr. Madison, speaking directly to the question of who is and who is not a “natural born citizen” states
that here in the United States “place” – or where you were born” – trumps “parentage”
– the citizenship of your mother and father.

Now let’s get to what I believe is the real motive behind all of this.
And it has a lot less to do with Marco Rubio than Barack Obama.

At the risk of sounding cynical, I think some of this is birther nonsense,
just the latest lame attempt to make a case that Barack Obama is not a legitimate president.
His father, after all, was not a U.S. citizen, therefore, Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen,
and ipso facto, he should never have been allowed to become president.

In fact, one of my email pals, Cyndee, said just that:
He [Barack Obama] is not a natural born citizen because of his father. Case closed.
While the Republicans let the Democrats get away with it, I doubt the Dems will return the favor [if Rubio becomes vice president].”

Well, case not closed.
As Wikipedia states,
“Although numerous claims have been put forth that the current president, Barack Obama, is not a natural born citizen,
the relevant courts have so far dismissed all lawsuits brought over this question.”

I hope the Republicans heed my advice and the advice of many others and put Marco Rubio on their ticket.
And I hope the ticket wins.
Then Cyndee or Ray or Edward or David or Gregor the Patriot can go to court and make a federal case out of it.
When they lose, I hope they will stop beating the dead horse.

Now read Dean C. Haskins' reply.

July 19, 2011 | 2:14 pm


Mr. Goldberg, I am in a bit of quandary right now.
I see that you have lifted a graphic from a video I produced entitled, “Natural Born Citizen for Dummies.” Since you neither attributed the graphic to me, nor did you give your readers an opportunity to view the video,
please allow me to provide the link to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGJdN2KPf0g.

It is also quite apparent that you actually never watched it,
for if you had, you would have realized that whether or not the term “natural born Citizen” is defined within the Constitution (it isn’t a dictionary),
that issue is irrelevant, as the Supreme Court set a binding precedent in the 1875 case Minor v. Happersett,
in which they ruled that Virginia Minor was a natural born citizen because she was born in this country to two citizen parents.
The “It’s-not-defined-in-the-Constitution” is an intellectual copout, as there is ample historic evidence for the framers’ intent,
and SCOTUS set the definition as binding precedent, which has never been overturned.
Minor v. Happersett is the only case in which SCOTUS construed Article II, section 1, and thus, it is the law of the land.

Dean C. Haskins
Executive Director, The Birther Summit
http://www.birthersummit.org

“Natural Born Citizen for Dummies.” is 10 minutes and 48 seconds of time well spent, especially the last 2 minutes.
The two articles he referenced 10 minutes 22 seconds into this video from deanhaskins.wordpress.com are below:

Leo Donofrio's Natural Born Citizen

Mario Apuzzo's Natural Born Citizen-A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers.

Here are links to searches of Mario Apuzzo and Leo Donofrio.
Enjoy.

[MamaTexan]

In some of these dialogues, it is proffered that in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, the Supreme Court ruled that Ark was a citizen “because he was a natural born citizen” at birth.

Sorry, but your 'freelance writer, professional musician/producer, and the former chairman' blew it right there. The USSC ruled NO SUCH THING.

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Law of Nations defines Natural Born Citizens to be “those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

§ 212. Citizens and natives.
As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
Law of Nations

Rubio's parents WERE NOT US CITIZENS when he was born. There are no provisions for people in the process of becoming citizens. You either ARE one, or you aren't.

Rubio was made a citizen after-the-fact of his birth due to the rule of naturalization. When his parents became naturalized, so did he....thus he is a NATURALIZED CITIZEN.

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You can rant, spew and insult me all you like. Your entitled to your own opinion.

You are NOT however, entitled to your own facts, and based on the Law of Nations, the conclusion is this;

Rubio is not eligible to be President!

[MamaTexan]

Thus the distinction between native-born and natural-born is that natural-born also included citizens from birth who were not born in the U.S., such as John S. McCain III.

Exactly!

Why do some people insist on making the simple concept that natural-born citizenship is inherited from you parents

so

bloomin'

HARD!

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LOL!