For Listeria victims, sudden turns for the worse

AP via Yahoo ^ | October 1, 2011 | Dan Elliott

[JRandomFreeper]

This news of yours puts me right off vegetables for good.

LOL! It shouldn't. Just know who killed your pig and how. And wash your veggies if you didn't grow them. Bleach water works well.

Oh, and don't squat and squirt out in the garden. And if you get sick, go to the doctor.

/johnny

[ari-freedom]

yum

[HiTech RedNeck]

You bleached individual lettuce leaves then, or what? “Hey Mac, this tastes like Purex!” “No, Sack, it’s Clorox today!”

[Just mythoughts]

At an “inorganic farm” of “melon factory” the melons would have been spayed to remove and kill contaminants reducing the chance of this happening. The “organic” farm is far more likely to not use unnatural cleaners and use “natural” fertilizers. They even allow their animals to free range into the melon patch.

I do not believe the problem is the 'farm'. I believe they hired uneducated unsanitary workers who are cheap labor. The melons were contaminated after they were cut into and processed. I grow melons and I always wash them before I ever cut into them. I have yet to find a way to keep out the 'wild' birds, squirrels, rabbits, bugs, worms, flies, etc., from having their free range over my melon patch.

[JRandomFreeper]

Fecal material from carnivores is different from fecal material from omnivores, and very different from herbivore dung.

The bacteria load is completely different.

So there are diffent kinds of sh...tuff. Human excrement is very dangerous. Cow patties, not so much.

/johnny

[JRandomFreeper]

You dump the whole case of lettuce into a (clean) sink filled with 50ppm bleach water.

That actually doesn't smell or taste like bleach, if you do the mixing right and get to 50ppm.

/johnny

[FreedomNotSafety]

/s Organic farmers hire cheap labor? No way I am sure the are all fair wage, unionized, full health bennies just like liberals demand of all workers.

The organic farm is the problem. As the saying goes, “Shiite Happens”. But on an inorganic farm it is vastly less likely to find its way onto my plate.

[HiTech RedNeck]

I guess that would smell like good-and-chlorinated water. If that’s OK to put in a salad or on a hamburger... well it’s mil-spec food :-)

Doing the math and taking 50 ppm meaning sodium hypochlorite concentration (not some chemical derivative) and today’s “ultra” bleach that sports 6.25% NaOCl, that’s 125 times weaker than the bottled bleach. 128 ounces are in a gallon, and two measuring tablespoons are in an ounce, so two tablespoons per gallon would be very close to this. In old survival literature, one was supposed to put a drop of bleach in a gallon of water to make it keep — a couple orders of magnitude less.

[patlin]

Well, Jesus did speak of the sickly tree, where the owner told the gardeners to “put manure” and see if it perked up

I said pig feces, not manure because pig feces is the organic fertilizer used. They don't go out into fields picking piles of up cow, sheep or goat poop and then bring it back to the barn to add water in order to make it liquefy so they can spread it. Pig feces naturally comes liquefied, thus the organic fertilizer of choice out of economics over health. I know, I am surrounded by fields that are fertilized with it every year & is why I do not buy anything from those farmers. Jesus nor any of his people raised pigs. There is a reason Jesus cast the demons into a pig and not a cow, sheep or goat. And for the record, cantaloupe, nor any melon for that matter, are not grown on trees the last I checked.

[Just mythoughts]

The organic farm is the problem. As the saying goes, “Shiite Happens”. But on an inorganic farm it is vastly less likely to find its way onto my plate.

You really think an inorganic farm keeps rodents, birds, squirrels, etc., from 'free' ranging. OR they do not hire uneducated unsanitary 'workers' taking a potty break in the field. Human waste is the worst offender in contaminating processed food.

I have not looked recently, but even the FDA allows for so much contamination in processing plants. It might bust your bubble about how clean your processed food really is under even the government command and control.

http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/GuidanceDocuments/Sanitation/ucm056174.htm

[patlin]

Oops, correction...And for the record, cantaloupe, nor any melon for that matter, are not grown on trees the last I checked

[FreedomNotSafety]

Cow patties spread onto melons are dangerous. With modern chemical fertilizers spreading fecal matter on food is unnecessary. Whether human c@#p is more dangerous than animal C@#p is not the point. Neither belongs on food and either is more likely to show up on food from an organic farm.

[JRandomFreeper]

And to test it, every military and commercial kitchen I was in had test strips to ensure 50ppm. If you can smell bleach, it's too strong. If the test strip doesn't change color, it's too weak.

And we had health inspectors in every single day to do a full-up inspection of the facilities in the military.

Once every 3 years in commercial establishments.

One of the things that got and kept me jobs in commercial joints was that I wasn't afraid or intimidated by a health inspection.

WTF. We had them every day, on deployments.

The only up-side on the commercial side was that you didn't have a LTC or COL MD expecting to get a piece of cake or something after the inspection. ;)

/johnny

[FreedomNotSafety]

“You really think an inorganic farm keeps rodents, birds, squirrels, etc., from ‘free’ ranging. OR they do not hire uneducated unsanitary ‘workers’ taking a potty break in the field. Human waste is the worst offender in contaminating processed food.”

That’s my point exactly, I think it does happen. That’s why I said “Shiite Happens” which I meant literally. Who is more likely to clean it up and sanitize before they ship it? Who is less likely to use fecal matter as fertilizer? Who is likely to have the least amount of human contact with the food? The inorganic factory farm, that’s who.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Swine come with a different set of manure bacteria than from the herbivore ungulates (sheep, goats, cattle) because, like people, they are omnivores. They will eat flesh. Swine are forbidden from consumption by Jews and served as an illustration of ritual uncleanness in the demon possession incident you mention... but Jews were never told to forbid non-Jews to eat the meat of swine. That’s why there was open farming of swine going on in Palestine, and nobody was complaining.

If modern science says it has a way to manage the risk of porcine fecal bacteria, scientists should be able to empirically justify this versus the risks of other kinds of fertilizer. It would be impossible to hide the scandal if this were the same kind of hocus pocus that goes on with globull warming.

[JRandomFreeper]

Whether human c@#p is more dangerous than animal C@#p is not the point.

Actually, that IS the point.

Bovine excement doesn't contain the listeria bacteria.

Human excrement might.

And you are correct. No kind of excrement belongs on food.

In the soil, yes. On the food, no.

/johnny

[patlin]

Any c@#p spread on food whether human or animal is dangerous to human health, period. But the fact is, feces/manure is not spread on the produce, it is spread on the ground & worked into the soil prior to planting, thus anything that touches the soil becomes contaminated, from the farm equipment to the hands that work the fields.

[HiTech RedNeck]

I don’t believe there are any good melon picker machines. Melons would need to be picked by people no matter what if you cared about quality.

[FreedomNotSafety]

“I’m wondering if it’s because of wild hogs. They’ve been a problem getting into farmlands. They carry a ton of diseases.”

Or the chickens, goats, cows...doesn’t matter the source. An inorganic farm is more likely to not have it in the first place and to clean it prior to shipping.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Poop existed long before farms, and it’s difficult to keep a range of animals having a range of poops (carnivore to herbivore) out of any low tech farm. Nature mitigates the harm through many mechanisms. Bacteria which survive in soil for weeks are unlikely to be harmful to humans.