Why do young women drink themselves to oblivion every night across Britain?

Daily Mail Online ^ | 11-09-10 | Laura Powell

[Slings and Arrows]

Go with your gut feeling.

[Eaker]

Why was the duck wearing your underwear?

[Eaker]

Why was the duck wearing your underwear?

[Vanders9]

I’m very much afraid it is. And it is getting worse.

[Vanders9]

I agree, but it has recovered it in the past. Methodism was largely built around a christian response to the same kind of social problem two centuries ago.

[Winniesboy]

No Salvation Army in Briton

Happy to say that the Sally Army in Britain is still going strong - 50,000 members, 1500 'officers', and about 4000 employees in its various charities.

[Vanders9]

Lazlo where do you get all your information on the UK from, the “National Enquirer”?

[Lazlo in PA]

I don’t put sarcasm tags on my comments. You either get it or you don’t.

[Cronos]

The reason is because Britain, quite sadly, has lost both its moral compass and its sense of self. It has no idea what it stands for. Their public schools are a joke -- I remember I program I saw on the BBC in 2004 when I was living in Sussex which showed how kids of that year fared really badly if taught a 1950s curriculum.

The youth there are under-educated (thanks to socialism and "pass everyone"), think sex is for fun and have no moral compass (many visit a church once a year at the most) and no hope.

[Cronos]

most English women are not "hot" or beautiful. The ones pictured are slutty. Wouldn't touch them as they look 'icky' to me -- plus if you heard them talking, it's thrash talk and they have zero depth.

I knew British girls who pubbed a lot and seriously they had zero conversational abilities beyond "let's snog"

the British girls who don't pub on the weekend are different -- but sadly they would be considered as unusual

[Cronos]

although they generally cite the Irish as drunks, lol.

True. I lived in the south of the UK and used to visit Dublin (not very often) and there is a big different between English drunks (i.e. drunks in England, not necessarily white or English) and Irish drunks -- the Irish drunks are happy, nice people who don't generally thrash the place but sing songs and recite poetry.

The English have a habit of putting false stereotypes on other nationalities -- like I've not met stingy Scotsmen either.

[Lazlo in PA]

I was speaking as a former 20 year old, red blooded, male, college student. That right there is a smorgasbord, cockney accent or not.

[Cronos]

Dublin is completely unlike Cardiff or Brighton or even parts of London on a Friday/Saturday night. The stereotype of the drunken Irish is just that -- and even the drunks in Ireland are not like the louts you find in the English/Welsh/Scottish pubs.

It's not an ethnic thing -- the louts in those pubs can be ethnically English/Welsh/Scottish or even Irish or Jamaican or American or Indian etc -- it's just that the drinking culture in Britain seems to be just get drunk and act stupid.

this was my experience and I lived there for years in the early 2000s -- when I was in my early 20s :)

[Cronos]

in my humble opinion, Mitch, British men have shot themselves in the foot since the 70s. I'm not talking of you personally as I don't know you but the general British man is no longer the Empire builder. He has been failed by an education system that was once the best in the world but has been dumbed down by socialists so now he is mostly good for nothing after school. He has also been failed by an increasingly socialist state (since Blairite times or even earlier) that removes all responsibilities in life

He has been failed by a lack of any religious feeling except to go to the church of the mall each Sunday after a binge on Saturday and Friday night. Humans need religion, even if it is replaced by a totalitarian form (see North Korea) and the British have not replaced Christianity with anything, hence there is this hole

As a "race", as an ethnicity, British men are not "horrible" -- I just point out how socialism has ravaged your once-great country. It is sad.

[Cronos]

some perverse incentive

That would be socialism, decades of it

[Cronos]

it’s sad when you read of the fall of religion in Iceland (they have a lesbian for President) — it seems right to the late 1500s when the Danish government forced a new religion on them. Since then they have more or less given up religion.

[Cronos]

ah. Ok. I went there as a 23 year old, so I understand. But even then, many of the Brit slags were ugly — most in fact. dollops of fat in badly worn clothes (there’s nothing wrong with a fat woman who can dress properly, not with muffin tops bellies)

[Vanders9]

Yes I agree with all of that. I recall a study on race conducted a few years ago. Of course, it concentrated on the "poor hapless minorities" and the "endemic racism" they had to endure, but the most surprising result (surprising to the left wing academics anyway) was the tremendous lack of self-esteem and loss of identity felt by the majority white native population. Of course. All the stress is on minorities. All the kudos and government help programs concentrate on them. British history and institutions are constantly and routinely derided. If you teach people self-hatred, how do you expect them to respond?

As for education, although agreeing with Cronos, I would add the caveat that the majority of US public schools are no better. Lack of solid family home life, and a lack of discipline make a lot of school kids unmanageable. There is also the disastrous switch in educational technique towards teaching "how to find answers" rather than "knowing answers" to consider. Knowledge is now derided in favor of "learning ability", a trend fuelled by things like the internet. Of course, it's really an excuse for laziness (by teachers not students). It doesn't work. This British generation may be the first in 1500 years that will know less than the one preceding it. How's that for decadence?

[Mitch86]

Cronos, thanks for your post. There are several points I disagree with you on however. Personally, I’m glad that the British man is no longer an ‘empire builder’. That’s all a bit outdated and 1800s for my tastes. I also find it somewhat bizarre that on this most American of forums, the British are continually chastised for this loss of ‘empire spirit’. If you chaps liked it so much, maybe you shouldn’t have kicked off in 1776!

Secondly, and I know this will risk me the ire of many posters, but i’m far from convinced about your statement that “humans need religion”. I am not religious myself, nor are any of my friends, yet we are all upstanding, conscientious and most importantly moral citizens. Strong parenting, good education and stable homelife are more vital in my opinion. Obviously I know this will be an unpopular point, but it is my conviction and I stick to it.

Which brings me to your point on education, to which I do agree. I am part of the machine on this respect, I work in schools, although I am not a qualified teacher yet, and it is clear to see that in CERTAIN schools their is a genuine absolving on responsibility on the students behalf. The last one I was at, the kids didn’t even need to carry their books around with them. It is hard to keep your anger in check when, after informing the class of today’s task, you get a kid sitting there blankly and then, 20 minutes later you challenge them on why they have done nothing and they look at you dead-eyed and say “don’t get it”.
Whether education has been dumbed-down i’m not so sure, I think a more satisfactory explanation is that meddling by the state has produced a generation of teachers that are more obsessed with ticking certain boxes and getting kids a grade C or above than actually educating them. This is no slight on the teachers who I can assure you work phenomenally hard. Interference from above, another of Labour’s calling cards.

[Cronos]

I also want to apologize if the tone of posts of mine and other Americans here insult you -- most do not mean to say "ALL" Brits etc. but its too easy to be insulting on an anonymous internet forum!

By "empire building" I do not so much mean go out and get land -- note though that the British Empire in India was done by smart dealings and trades and "we'll protect you for just signing away your independence", while that in America and Africa was land grab against stone-age peoples. They were not the blood-thirsty merchants like the Nazi German Empire.

I would properly mean men and women who were proud of their country, not in a negative sense (like "I hate the french, that defines me") but in a positive sense. That happens when local culture instills a feeling of pride -- the country doesn't need to be a world conqueror, for example, I find Slovaks have a lot of pride in themselves.

however, I found that the English in particular, followed by the Welsh have lost that (Czechs too, btw) and it is sad.

If you chaps liked it so much, maybe you shouldn’t have kicked off in 1776! --> well that was due to taxation without representation. The people who fobbed off the English were by and large of English origin -- I remember this memorial to George Washington's grandfather in Cambridge

I am not religious myself, nor are any of my friends, yet we are all upstanding, conscientious and most importantly moral citizens. -- firstly I do consider myself strongly religious and deeply believing so it does color my posts. But by religious feeling I do mean believing in SOMETHING greater than oneself -- people can have a religious feeling about their nation, their political party,their ideology. As I pointed out about communism or even atheism, many of those who "believed" in these had a strong "code" if I may say so

Whether education has been dumbed-down i’m not so sure, -- in the UK I think it has -- the level of maths and science in schools is appalling and the fact that history is optional in middle school is terrible.

I've known teenagers who knew nothing about WWII for instance, leave alone British history before Princess Di. This ties in to the "religious feeling" I pointed out earlier -- many Brits of the 1800s and Americans too believed in their nation. yobs of today don't.

In addition, languages -- the stereotypical Englishman (or American, but that's a different situation) who knows only English and is unable to learn any other language has been replaced with a stereotypical Englishman/woman who can barely even speak English properly. There is no challenge, in my humble opinion.

This is no slight on the teachers who I can assure you work phenomenally hard. Interference from above, another of Labour’s calling cards. -- I am sure there are many brilliant teachers who work hard at low salaries and I fully agree with you that a large amount of the fault lies at Labour's door, but I also feel that many teachers are not good -- because the salary is so poor and the regimentation from "above" means that the best do not want to get into the profession -- and that is not only a British problem.