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Remembering Christopher Columbus: The Biggest Mass Murderer In History (puke)
Hip-Hop Wired ^ | October 11, 2010 | Ice Pick Slim

Posted on 10/10/2011 3:46:14 PM PDT by EveningStar

KKKolumbus no hero: He's a murderer who caused the genocide of the Indigenous people!

“It has been said of the Spanish Conquistadors, that first they fell on their knees, and then they fell on the aborigines.” Eric Williams - Columbus to Castro.

Annually, on the 2nd Monday of each October, most of the United Snakes of Amerikkka celebrate the anniversary of when Cristoforo Colombo discovered that the planet wasn't as flat as all of Europe then thought.  At the same time, many so-called Indians across the U.S. publicly protest the holiday, demanding that it be renamed ‘Indigenous American Day'.

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This was posted last year, but it's timelessly stupid.

And here is more lunacy: Abolish Columbus Day and Change it to Native American Day

1 posted on 10/10/2011 3:46:26 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Didn’t they already make it “Explorers Day” or something?


2 posted on 10/10/2011 3:49:49 PM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: EveningStar

What an insult to the Great Quan, and the Roman Army! And the idiot, if he wants to be specific and correct, should be pushing for “Indigenous Aborigine Day”.


3 posted on 10/10/2011 3:50:48 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: EveningStar

Indigenous American Day ... that’s got a real ring to it, huh? Should catch on in no time. A little like that ‘happy holiday’ thing, or maybe ‘kwanza.’

Prolly gonna be one of those time-and-a-half holiday thingies. Happy Indigenous American Day!


4 posted on 10/10/2011 3:52:41 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: EveningStar

Yes, “Native American Day’’. The Happy Children of the Forest. The happy children of the forest who waged war against each other, made slaves of each other, indulged in human sacrifice , raped the environment , burnt out, hunted out, crapped out and generally made a mess of just about everything and anything they came in contact with and all of this long before Columbus or any other European showed up.


5 posted on 10/10/2011 3:53:20 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: EveningStar

“Ice Pick Slim”....Is that a description of his manhood?


6 posted on 10/10/2011 3:55:14 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Living well is no longer the best revenge. Revenge is now the best revenge.)
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To: EveningStar

7 posted on 10/10/2011 3:56:48 PM PDT by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: EveningStar

“...how the slave-makers took Indigenous children, bury them up to their neck in dirt, then run up and kick their heads off for sport.”

Are these guys for real? I’ve never heard of such a thing, nor seen it tried. But I’m fairly certain that such a thing could NOT be possible. -kick the head off of a human body?
okay...

Documentation, please.


8 posted on 10/10/2011 3:59:38 PM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: EveningStar

Happy Columbus Day everyone!

Christopher Columbus discovered the continent where they hadn’t invented the wheel yet in 1492.


9 posted on 10/10/2011 4:00:59 PM PDT by RingerSIX (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccine that they offer down at our Church.)
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To: EveningStar

10 posted on 10/10/2011 4:08:20 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: EveningStar
The American Indian, or "Native American" were a stone age people when discovered by the Europeans. They had not domesticated animals, they had no written language and they had not even invented the wheel.

However, their lack of technology did not prevent them warring among themselves, practicing genocide (Iroquois, Mahegan), slavery (Choctaws, Chickasaws) and cannibalism (Navajo, Anasazi).

It also did not stop most native Americans tribes to side with the British during the American Revolution (rather ironic - isn't it?.

I wonder, will Indians ever pay for the massacre of "rebel" settlements during the War of Independence? Will they ever apologize for fighting against the Independence of America even as they use the freedoms and liberties in America to their own advantages?

Let's look at the history from a broader scope:

1675 - 1676 -- King Philip's War -- The Indians burned down/destroyed twelve of ninety Puritan towns and attacked forty others (including Providence). A larger percentage of the American population was killed in this war than in any other American war. Even though the Indians burned down whole villages and slaughtered the inhabitants, they lost the war.

1750's -- French-Indian War -- Most Indian Tribes sided with the French against the British. They committed atrocities and they also lost the war.

1770's -- American Revolution -- Most Indians Tribes sided with the British and fought the American Rebels. They committed atrocities and they also lost the war.

1812 -- War of 1812 -- The Indians Tribes again sided with the British. And again they committed atrocities and again they also lost the war.

11 posted on 10/10/2011 4:09:48 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: EveningStar

This is what the communusts in the schools are teaching your children.


12 posted on 10/10/2011 4:10:36 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Had enough?)
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To: EveningStar
I guess I'm confused. Did Columbus sail with an army, or with weapons for reasonable personal protection? There were other guys who came here. Did Henry Hudson commit heinous crimes too?

ML/NJ

13 posted on 10/10/2011 4:11:45 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: EveningStar

Happy Columbus Day!!!!

Christophoros Columbus was an Orthodox Christian Greek from Chios:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1185900/posts

And he was a hero, NOT a mass murderer!!!!

Doesn’t the moonbat author of this dumb-dumb screed know that Mexicans and Mexican-Americans celebrate Columbus Day (which is really October 12) as Dia de la Raza, the origin of the Mexican people? And doesn’t he/she know that Europeans knew that the world was round since the days of the ancient Greeks?

I guess not. When one’s head is full of ideological mush, there is no room left for new facts and new ideas!


14 posted on 10/10/2011 4:17:34 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: 2banana

Is that from some source, or just from your general knowledge?


15 posted on 10/10/2011 4:23:17 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: All

I bet that the same loons are silent on the real [Arab] slavery today...


16 posted on 10/10/2011 4:28:21 PM PDT by PRePublic (9)
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To: EveningStar

Albert Einstein puts him to shame. But let’s not forget the contributions of Alfred Nobel.


17 posted on 10/10/2011 4:29:26 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: EveningStar

I don’t think Pizzaro will like this.


18 posted on 10/10/2011 4:31:04 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: joethedrummer
It's one of the classic stories told by one group about another to show how barbaric they are.

It can be as polite as "They do not love their children like we do" and run all the way up to horses, or men, kicking the heads of human victims ~ usually children but sometimes warriors, but usually never about women. None of the old timers got real attached to women since they were always dying in childbirth.

One analyst determined that in all of the 16th century there were never enough Spaniards in Latin America to have even begun to approach the death rate. If you lined up all the Spaniards and gave them the best swords, sharpened to perfection, and you began marching the Indians up against the Spaniards, the Spaniards would have died of old age before they managed to kill all the Indians they are supposed to have killed.

Not to say the Great Die Off didn't happen, but it was a virus ~ hanta virus ~ that regularly ravages the Americas. It comes back sometimes after a long drought. The rains return. The grass grows. The rodents expand their populations. They spread hanta to the people and the twenty somethings die like flies.

19 posted on 10/10/2011 4:31:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EveningStar
Stupidity on stilts. Disease killed most of the Indians, not the Spanish (or other Europeans). A tragedy, but there; the Indians were doomed once any denizens of the Old World reached them in sufficient numbers and for a sustained period of time: Europeans, Chinese, A-rabs, whatever. The germ theory of disease wasn't developed for almost another 400 years. Had first contact been delayed until the 1950's, it would have been another story.

The remarkable thing is that the Viking contacts apparently didn't cause mass deaths. Perhaps the Vikings were too few, and landed in relatively lightly populated areas.

20 posted on 10/10/2011 4:44:22 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: EveningStar
Cristoforo Colombo discovered that the planet wasn't as flat as all of Europe then thought.

This statement is so ignorant that it could only be uttered by a college graduate.

21 posted on 10/10/2011 4:57:17 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I never win at Scrable.)
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To: EveningStar

Wow! Columbus was a member of the Klu Klux Klan 372 years before it was founded?


22 posted on 10/10/2011 5:05:23 PM PDT by Silverhair
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To: EveningStar

Ah.. no. Actually, the person responsible for the most deaths in human history, (and the number is still growing) is.....Rachel Carson.


23 posted on 10/10/2011 5:08:56 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: EveningStar

Back in 1992 or 1993 a young single woman, withour company, was working with the scouts.

I just happened to see the literature she was using. It was all to discredit Christopher Columbus. It was just a bunch wild accusations, without any historic facts or figures.

At the same time I had just recieved literature proclaiming Columbus to be a very godly man. He was quoted in a letter he wrote the Queen: “There are many souls here that could be added to our Lord and Saviour’s kingdom.”

Now I am over 77 years old; attended public schools, and through college, and never before even heard a hint of how bad Columbus was.

It seemed to me this young woman could not do much damage to the present, she is one of many that would rewrite, and destroy our nations past.

As we are well aware that there are those that build; and there are those that destroy!


24 posted on 10/10/2011 5:14:17 PM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: jmacusa

You left out that our glorious indigenous people reveled in torturing captives. This was high entertainment for them before and after the white man came. Stuff like carefully slitting a captives belly, pulling the intestines out, roasting them then forcing him to eat them. Roasting and eating children as their parents were forced to look on. Demonic paganism.


25 posted on 10/10/2011 5:18:20 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: muawiyah; All

“Not to say the Great Die Off didn’t happen, but it was a virus ~ hanta virus ~ that regularly ravages the Americas. It comes back sometimes after a long drought. The rains return. The grass grows. The rodents expand their populations. They spread hanta to the people and the twenty somethings die like flies.”

I don’t know about the North American continent, but in South America it was the virus Smallpox (Variola), transported from Europe, that did the most killing. It could be said that Smallpox, not Cortez, conquered South America. Also, there is evidence that it did the same along the Eastern Coast of Northern America after explorers exposed the Native Americans.


26 posted on 10/10/2011 5:35:44 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
Is that from some source, or just from your general knowledge?

It is from a LTTE that I wrote

27 posted on 10/10/2011 6:33:28 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

OK cool. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam?..


28 posted on 10/10/2011 6:39:46 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

letter to the editor - never published


29 posted on 10/10/2011 6:50:36 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Sola Veritas
"I don’t know about the North American continent, but in South America it was the virus Smallpox (Variola), transported from Europe, that did the most killing."

I thought there were two major outbreaks of a disease in the 1540s and 1580s (if I remember correctly) that killed huge numbers of indians in Central and South America. The Europeans recorded the symptoms and they did not resemble smallpox (of which the Europeans were more than familiar).

30 posted on 10/10/2011 7:04:58 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: dennisw

Thanks for the additional info. Yes, as I said, The Happy Children of The Forest. (sar.)


31 posted on 10/10/2011 7:11:12 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Sola Veritas
Here's a little more info about the "The cocoliztli epidemic":

"Recently developed tree-ring evidence has allowed the levels of precipitation to be reconstructed for north central Mexico, adding to the growing body of epidemiologic evidence and indicating that the 1545 and 1576 epidemics of cocoliztli (Nahuatl for "pest") were indigenous hemorrhagic fevers transmitted by rodent hosts and aggravated by extreme drought conditions."

"The epidemic of cocoliztli from1545 to 1548 killed an estimated 5 million to 15 million people, or up to 80% of the native population of Mexico (Figure 1). In absolute and relative terms the 1545 epidemic was one of the worst demographic catastrophes in human history, approaching even the Black Death of bubonic plague, which killed approximately 25 million in western Europe from 1347 to 1351 or about 50% of the regional population." link

32 posted on 10/10/2011 7:19:33 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Sola Veritas
Smallpox has about a 30% death rate. That happens among populations who might have natural resistance and those that don't. Uncontrolled hanta virus can have anywhere from 15% to 95% death rate (depending on the specific virus, the level of exposure, etc.)

The internet has numerous pieces about the 5% to 15% death rate from hanta among UN troops during the Korean War.

The death rates among Indians during the Peruvian, Mexican and North American epidemics are far closer to what we expect out of hanta than out of smallpox.

A major smallpox epidemic leaves enough survivors that they can continue to live their own civilization. A major black plague epidemic leaves enough resistant survivors that further spread stops ~ you can even contain the epidemic if you know the cause. However, civilization changes direction.

A major hanta epidemic of the worst sort DESTROYS YOUR CIVILIATION. Whatever your ancestors developed and learned is all lost. A milder epidemic might do nothing more than wipe out your agricultural working class ~ and you'll need to go out and capture another tribe and reduce them to peonage to do the hard work so you can continue to worship the gods in your stone and brick cities.

Of all these diseases the least dangerous are diptheria, thyphoid, black plague, AIDS, cholera ~ and that's simply because we have a fairly substantial population of people who have an inherited NATURAL IMMUNITY to them. They cannot destroy us all!

33 posted on 10/10/2011 7:20:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dennisw
Not everybody did those things, yet every society has had some of that sort of thing going on to a greater or lesser extent all the time. Eric Dahmer was not as much an aberration as some imagine.
34 posted on 10/10/2011 7:24:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“The death rates among Indians during the Peruvian, Mexican and North American epidemics are far closer to what we expect out of hanta than out of smallpox.”

Can you provide some reputable references for the inforation you are putting forward about Hemorrhagic virues (in this case one of the Hanta viruses). It sounds like an interesting read. Seriously, I would like to read about this in that it is a topic I deal with professionally. I want to be up-to-date if new/credible information is available.

BTW - I think you will find that in naive populations (meaning never before exposed) that Smallpox is more virulent (stronger sypmtoms and more readily spread) with higher mortalities than the 30% currently listed in medical texts based upon what was last seen before the viruse was eradicated in 1980. Plus, there are reports of hemorrhaghic symptoms in some cases of smallpox. A virulent strain of smallpox (Variola Major) going though a naive population in the Americas could produce epidemics much worse than those seen in Europe and the East where it raged for centuries. Oh, recent DNA studies of remains of “plague” victims in Europe have confirmed it was indeed Yersina pestis (plague) as always thought.

I was wondering if the evidence for Hanta you discuss was based upon doing genetic studies of human remains from these periods of disease in question? That would be more convincing proof and would rewrite history.


35 posted on 10/10/2011 7:42:36 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas
We had some deaths from hanta in the United States in recent years. The investigators found that the local Indians understood the entire cycle ~ always intriguing.

Just do a google search for INDIANS HANTA UNITED STATES ~ that ought to give you several thousand references with some recent studies of how it spreads.

The general idea is that since it's a virus carried by a rodent vector (including little ground squirrels) that it will happen during rodent population peaks. Those, in turn, are always related to the return of rainfall after a period of drought.

In the South West this was directly related to the appearance of a heavy mast of pinon nuts (much beloved by rodents).

Regarding other diseases, there were other diseases. One of the other diseases was INFLUENZA. You combine a shot of that stuff with hanta and maybe some variola, you might have one of those 97% death cocktails. That could explain what happened to the Mandan Indians (who Lewis and Clark met on the Way West but who'd disappeared from the face of the Earth by the time he came back East).

There, I just shifted the burden from the Europeans to the Chinese who raise ducks and pigs together!

Frankly, most of the popular knowledge of how the Indians died out was a result of English anti-Spanish propaganda. They didn't really get along for the longest time you know. At the same time no matter how many people Spain could send to the Americas they could barely hang on themselves since the diseases here were killing them like flies in a DDT fog. Later on the English got to experience the same sort of thing ~ this East Coast is just one big malaria swamp ~ and that wasn't brought under control until they built covered sewers in the nascent urban areas.

36 posted on 10/10/2011 7:56:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2banana

The natives of N. and S. America gave the Europeans TOBACCO, and SYPHILIS. They have been “avenged”, MANY times over as a result. Anyway, the Spaniards’ descendants are now an oppressed minority called “Latinos”. Tell that to a lefty and hear him start babbling incoherently;)


37 posted on 10/10/2011 8:02:33 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: muawiyah

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/4/01-0175_article.htm

Thanks....found a good article on CDC website. Some of the material you quote appears to come from this paper.

Learn something new everyday.


38 posted on 10/10/2011 8:05:49 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Frank_2001

“The natives of N. and S. America gave the Europeans TOBACCO, and SYPHILIS.”

Tobacco definitely came from the New World. However, it is now considered incorrect (not for political reasons) to say that Pinta - found in the New World (similiar to syphilis) had its origens in Pinta. I believe the researchers have shown that to be false. I made the mistake of saying Syphilis was spread from South America to Europe...I was proven wrong.....wanted to save you the same embarassment.


39 posted on 10/10/2011 8:12:01 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: sphinx
"disease"

Not only what you said, but all humans around the world were at one time or the other victims of disease. The population of Europe declined by about 30 to 60% according to historians during the Black Death of the 1300s. The fleas which caused the disease came in from the Orient. It took Europe 150 years to recover. Should we blame the Chinese for slaughtering millions of Europeans? Obviously that idea would be laughed off.

40 posted on 10/10/2011 8:15:52 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Sola Veritas
It's an idea no one wanted to embrace ~ but it does seem to be the case that the Spaniards (aka Hapsburg Empirists) didn't walk into the Americans and kill everybody.

Disease was doing the job all along and it's fairly easy to see that it had happened repeatedly in this part of the world.

It was probably the reason their technological advances were behind that of the rest of the world ~ even though their agriculture was ahead ~ I could write a case for small, isolated agricultural technologists being able to conduct long term breeding experiments denied to those living in centrally administered empires.

41 posted on 10/10/2011 8:29:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: driftless2

Today it wouldn’t ~ but for back then your typical militaristic Chinese Emperor probably had no idea he might have a chance of conquering Europe ~ he’d seen how the Mongols, who’d overwhelmed his part of the world, had been easily crushed by the far larger and even crazier white men on giant horses!


42 posted on 10/10/2011 8:32:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sola Veritas

Thanks!


43 posted on 10/10/2011 9:20:26 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: muawiyah

Right, not all tribes delighted in torture of captives after battle. Most did. Say 80% or so is my guess. No cable TV back then, you had to create your own entertainments

Plus it is a myth that Indian tribes battled over hunting grounds. This happened but the usual reason was a tribe went to war so the male braves could get more honor. Meaning more prestige and a higher leadership role plus another squaw or two in the tribe due to wartime bravery. Another reason was to capture more other tribes females to turn into your tribes wives and concubines to crank out more warriors and wives of warriors


44 posted on 10/10/2011 9:46:05 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: EveningStar

It’s actually a myth that people still thought the Earth was flat back then. A myth that still gets published in school books unfortunately.

The ancients Greeks figured out the Earth was round.

The reason Columbus had trouble finding a sponsor for his voyage is that nobody wanted to pay for it.

Not that idiots who gripe about people that died of the flu 500 years ago care about facts.


45 posted on 10/10/2011 10:47:25 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

“It’s actually a myth that people still thought the Earth was flat back then. A myth that still gets published in school books unfortunately.”

Absolutely.

People had known that the Earth is round since the time that they first were able to sail far enough from the shore to watch the shore disappear over the horizon. It wasn’t lost on them why you would see the high ground reappear first.


46 posted on 10/10/2011 11:01:51 PM PDT by Pelham (Immigrating America into just one more Latin American country.)
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To: Pelham

I don’t know about today but when was in grade school in the 90’s, the flat Earth BS was right there in the history book along with plenty of other inaccurate information. It’s a disgrace.

Another big myth people believe, I think some teacher told me blood was blue in your body, tons of idiots look at their veins and believe this. Funny, I never heard of blue blood cells.


47 posted on 10/10/2011 11:09:57 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: 2banana

Let me add the Fort Mims Massacre of 30 August 1813 to your list. Ancestors of mine were killed in that attack.


48 posted on 10/10/2011 11:12:09 PM PDT by Pelham (Immigrating America into just one more Latin American country.)
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To: Pelham

History has enough blood and blame for everyone. I hate history being used as propaganda. Cherokee owned slaves and fought for the South. People are people—Brits were enslaved by Rome, Irish by the English, etc... Native people killed my ancestors and mine killed theirs—Columbus didn’t kill anyone—he thought he discovered India for God’s Sake.


49 posted on 10/10/2011 11:24:37 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: 2banana
Your statement has some problems, and I have questions about other parts of it.

This would be a partial critique of your letter to the editor. The rest of a thorough one would address your short narrative of King Philip's War; the English were no passive sufferers of the Narragansetts' onslaught. The English did a lot to provoke that war, which many New Englanders actually wanted for a number of reasons.

50 posted on 10/11/2011 1:31:10 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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