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Aggies Question Rick Perry's Conservative Values
The Bryan/College Station Eagle ^ | 10/11/11 | Vimal Patel

Posted on 10/11/2011 12:18:45 AM PDT by ziravan

"Yet another sign Gov. Rick Perry's presidential campaign is facing challenges: Conservative students from his beloved alma mater are criticizing him for supporting in-state tuition rates for some undocumented students."

(Excerpt) Read more at theeagle.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: heartless; illegal; perry; primary; tuition
"The fact that he continues to defend his stance is troubling," said Justin Pulliam, a member of the Texas Aggie Conservatives. "He's not an all-around conservative candidate."
1 posted on 10/11/2011 12:18:51 AM PDT by ziravan
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To: ziravan

Nice to see that they are now teaching Intro to Logic at Texas A&M.


2 posted on 10/11/2011 12:27:35 AM PDT by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: trumandogz

LOL!


3 posted on 10/11/2011 1:26:03 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: ziravan

Cincinatus... paging your wife...


4 posted on 10/11/2011 1:28:24 AM PDT by sklar
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To: ziravan
"He's not an all-around conservative candidate."

YA think?? LOL.

5 posted on 10/11/2011 1:59:00 AM PDT by Fawn (No TO PERRY!!!!!!!!!)
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To: ziravan


Leave Rick Perry alone!

7 posted on 10/11/2011 2:39:51 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Rick Perry's 2012 campaign is Fred Thompson v2.0)
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To: trumandogz

That’s why we let them in the SEC;)


8 posted on 10/11/2011 2:49:43 AM PDT by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: ziravan

I just read that KS also has this law, but a freshman lawmaker from Wichita, Leslie Osterman, tried to get it repealed in 2011. The repeal measure died in a state Senate committee.


9 posted on 10/11/2011 4:02:26 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: ziravan

Typically, when the people closest to you start questioning your integrity, then it’s over.

Perry went to A&M, and he’s not fooling them.


10 posted on 10/11/2011 4:03:06 AM PDT by BobL (I want a Conservative for 2012, not Perry)
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To: Theodore R.

Not just Kansas, but also California, Connecticut, Illinois, , Maryland, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, Washington and Wisconsin have passed laws requiring In-State tuition benefits for illegals.

In 2008, Oklahoma then passed HB 1804 which ended its in-state tuition benefit, including financial aid, for students without lawful presence in the United States. The Act allows the Oklahoma State Regents to enroll a student in higher education institutions permitted that they meet special requirements.

In-State Tuition and Unauthorized Immigrant Students
National Conference of State Legislatures
http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=13100


11 posted on 10/11/2011 5:27:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Theodore R.
Follow up to the Oklahoma exception:

Further review of HB 1808 shows that the exception reads very similar to Texas law. You can still get in-state tuition provided you graduated from OK HS, lived there for 2 years with parent/guardian and applied for legal status. However, if there is no way to apply without risk of deportation, the last part is waved.

http://okpolicy.org/files/HB1804_ENR.pdf
Section 3242

The Texas law requires 3 years in Texas, not 2.

12 posted on 10/11/2011 5:35:30 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ziravan

I don’t think Perry can win unless he makes a 180 on this.

And I am not sure Perry’s personality will allow him to cave on this after he has dug in.

Everything else is meaningless, this one issue is what’s killing him.


13 posted on 10/11/2011 5:51:59 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: thackney

Thanks for the info, I knew all the states but I didn’t know the details. No, I don’t agree with it, but it’s amazing that it’s not just Texas, isn’t it. ;)


14 posted on 10/11/2011 5:53:16 AM PDT by ReaganBaby26 (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: BobL
Typically, when the people closest to you start questioning your integrity, then it’s over.

Perry went to A&M, and he’s not fooling them.

Aggies know horse manure when they see it, especially when it's coming from one of their own.

15 posted on 10/11/2011 5:53:27 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Rick Perry engages in corporate welfare via Texas TEF/ETF)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I will be disappointed if he did. That is what attracts me to him, his strength of conviction and not backing down.

No I don’t agree with the in-state tuition but it is not the monster that so many would love for us to believe. 98% of the issues I agree with him on and I love that he doesn’t back down.


16 posted on 10/11/2011 6:01:23 AM PDT by ReaganBaby26 (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: ReaganBaby26

I have been surprised by the number of people trashing Gov Perry for signing this bill while having the same law in their own state.


17 posted on 10/11/2011 6:03:25 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“I don’t think Perry can win unless he makes a 180 on this. And I am not sure Perry’s personality will allow him to cave on this after he has dug in. Everything else is meaningless, this one issue is what’s killing him.”

He probably wants to hit Willard as a flip-flopper (and rightfully so) and so doesn’t want to open himself up to the same charge. But it also looks like he is a true believer of an open border policy (ala Jorge B. and Juan M.). Therefore, even if he came out with a mea culpa and adopted a strong position on sovereignty, border control, and immigration enforcement it would be suspect.

I’ll say it again: if Willard and Ricardo are the two leading candidates, as so many like to tell us, then our choices are pathetic.


18 posted on 10/11/2011 6:04:18 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: thackney
I have been surprised by the number of people trashing Gov Perry for signing this bill while having the same law in their own state.

It's easy to support a candidate who's never had to face the issue and who says 10 years after the fact that he would not have done it.
19 posted on 10/11/2011 6:05:37 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: ReaganBaby26
Backing down when you are wrong is not a bad thing.

And Perry is flat out wrong on this issue when you look at it from a national perspective. Perry, in case you haven't noticed (LOL) is very focused on Texas, and when Texas and Texas alone is considered ... the policy sort of make sense.

But when you expand the argument (as Santorum did) and say that you are giving tuition brakes to illegal aliens that you are denying to your fellow American citizens from other states... that's a losing issue, because your basically insulting everyone else in the nation.

Perry can't win with this hanging over his head, he has to end this. And the only way he can is by changing his position.

Of course it will hurt his planned attacks on Romney, because Romney will try and say that Perry flipped on immigration every time Perry points out Romney's flips on abortion, gay marriage, gun control, ect.

But it's better to have your future attacks on Romney weakened than to have your candidacy destroyed.

20 posted on 10/11/2011 6:13:48 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I’ll agree to disagree with ya. :)


21 posted on 10/11/2011 6:19:52 AM PDT by ReaganBaby26 (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

But when you expand the argument (as Santorum did) and say that you are giving tuition brakes to illegal aliens that you are denying to your fellow American citizens from other states... that’s a losing issue, because your basically insulting everyone else in the nation.


Yep Perry blew that response badly.

He should have poitned out to Santorum that in fact the Texas legislature made it so that an out of state student could get instate tuition in only one year rather than three. All they have to do is move to Texas set up residency for one year, apply, get accepted in a college and they get instate tuition as a Texas resident.


22 posted on 10/11/2011 6:26:57 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport
well.. that's certainly a better response than what he gave (and in fact, it's information I didn't even know)

but ... I think it's just too complicated to try and explain. Face it, most people are about as smart as a doorknob, you have to keep it simple.

And right now the issue is being framed very simply against Perry, even the average scooter fat moron zipping around walmart can grasp that Perry wants to give illegal aliens instate tuition that he wont give them (if they don't live in Texas)

When your forced to respond with a essay to a one sentence attack, you lose in a debate. It's not fair, but it's just the way it is. The debate format doesn't lend itself to nuanced explanations, and neither does the intellect of the average American.

23 posted on 10/11/2011 6:35:47 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I suspect most other states have the same requirement for state residency but I don’t know that.

Perry is okay in a setting where he is giving a speech or doing questions from the audience. But in debates he isn’t that capable.

Perry blew the chance to put that issue to rest and turn it back on Santorum but he failed so he’ll have to live with it.


24 posted on 10/11/2011 6:44:04 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport
Regardless, tonight is Perry's last chance with me. If he doesn't get it together and at least do decent i’m done with him.

He doesn't even have to win, he just has to not kill himself like he did in that last debate. If I see some improvement, heck ANY improvement, I'll feel better. But if the trend of him actually getting worse continues this time, I have to switch to someone else. And since Mitt is completely unacceptable, that would mean either Cain or Gingrich.

25 posted on 10/11/2011 6:54:54 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: ziravan
Pure BS...we're a family of Aggies and are smart enough to know what took place. Rick Perry became governor in late December of 2000, this legislation hit his desk in April 2001. It was veto proof legislation.

We also agree with Rick Perry and Texas stance on in state tuition. IF you have NO laws on the books, illegals go to colleges throughout the USA falling under the identical requirements of Legal American Students, there are 38 states that have NO law. Republicans in Texas wanted to control that...the law in Texas for in state tuition is one of the toughest laws in the USA with a few exceptions.

You people need to get real...while we argue over in state tuition this country is going off the cliff. There is only one man running that has a record to prevent this. Texas is already out the recession...which is barry's depression throughout the rest of the country. Wise UP!!!

[You might go back through Rush's information he has provided on hispanics. In short if Republicans want to win elections you can't lose the Hispanic vote.]

26 posted on 10/11/2011 6:56:48 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: SharpRightTurn
But it also looks like he is a true believer of an open border policy

Interviewing Rick Perry On Illegal Immigration

Because the federal government has failed to secure the border, states have had to act. In Texas we have sent Texas Rangers to the border, spent hundreds of millions to fight border crime, outlawed driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants and passed Voter ID.

...

I called for abolishing sanctuary cities in my last State of the State address, and made it an emergency item for the Legislature. I’m a firm believer in giving law enforcement the discretion they need to do their job. Sanctuary city policies handcuff law enforcement officers in order to further a political agenda.

...

I signed that bill because getting a driver’s license is a privilege, not a right. It just doesn’t make sense to me to extend that privilege to individuals who are here illegally.

Additionally, I vetoed a bill that would have allowed the use of a matricula consular, which is an ID card used by the Mexican government, to get a driver’s license in Texas.

...

I support the right of each state to come up with its own plan to address the federal government’s failure on border security and illegal immigration.

The federal government has failed to secure the border, and states are left fending for themselves. States have every right under the 10th Amendment to pass laws and make decisions for themselves.

...

We’ve spent about $400 million of our state tax dollars to put more boots on the ground, more helicopters in the sky and better intelligence in the hands of law enforcement.

And we’ve seen real results. Our surge in manpower has created major disruptions for the drug cartels and human smuggling rings. We’ve seized millions of pounds of drugs, taken 3,500 illegal weapons off the street and made America safer.

http://rightwingnews.com/interviews/interviewing-rick-perry-on-illegal-immigration-2/

27 posted on 10/11/2011 6:59:42 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ziravan

Is the Bryan Eagle a liberal rag piling on? Help me out here, Aggies.

One poster said that the wetb@ck tuition was the only reason for his decline. I digress. His debate performance must be added to that. Pitiful.

In any event Aggies should be more concerned about their entrance to the SEC where they will get beat like a drum and supplant Vanderbilt as the conference’s laughing stock.


28 posted on 10/11/2011 7:49:17 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: thackney

“I called for abolishing sanctuary cities in my last State of the State address, and made it an emergency item for the Legislature. I’m a firm believer in giving law enforcement the discretion they need to do their job. Sanctuary city policies handcuff law enforcement officers in order to further a political agenda.”

I don’t know if Ricardo was already considering running for president when he made his last State of the State address or not. But I remember a lot of posts by a lot of Texas Freepers regarding Perry’s weak stance on immigration in the last Texas gubernatorial contest.

How long has he been fighting tooth and nail against sanctuary cities in Texas?

...

“I signed that bill because getting a driver’s license is a privilege, not a right. It just doesn’t make sense to me to extend that privilege to individuals who are here illegally.”

Glad Ricardo signed it. Do you know whether he twisted elbows and worked to see that the bill was enacted so that it would come to his desk?

“Additionally, I vetoed a bill that would have allowed the use of a matricula consular, which is an ID card used by the Mexican government, to get a driver’s license in Texas.”

I give Ricardo kudos for this.

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“I support the right of each state to come up with its own plan to address the federal government’s failure on border security and illegal immigration.”

The problem with that, Ricardo, is that when a state like Arizona or Alabama tries to do that, some governors of other states undercut them with public statements. Perhaps those governors think the other state legislators and governors don’t “have a heart”.

“The federal government has failed to secure the border, and states are left fending for themselves. States have every right under the 10th Amendment to pass laws and make decisions for themselves.”

I agree. Good statement.

...

“We’ve spent about $400 million of our state tax dollars to put more boots on the ground, more helicopters in the sky and better intelligence in the hands of law enforcement.

“And we’ve seen real results. Our surge in manpower has created major disruptions for the drug cartels and human smuggling rings. We’ve seized millions of pounds of drugs, taken 3,500 illegal weapons off the street and made America safer.”

Good work. But what has the surge in manpower done about those who are criminals because they have invaded our country illegally, even if they aren’t part of a drug cartel or smuggling ring?


29 posted on 10/11/2011 8:26:57 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: shield; All

Some of these folks are no better than Obama. Instead of targeting Romney out of the primaries so we could focus solely on the conservatives in the party (and I’m speaking of other candidates who failed to target Romney)...vetting and choosing at our own pace, we basically divided and conquered our own...leaving Romney the way in. If any of these folks pay attention to the polls...we’re giving it to Romney. If this happens, I think it just might...I want these people to leave FR. They’re only a nuisance to the cause of conservatism.

The next president will chose 2 supreme court justices. Romney and Obama...as the choosers!? Geez, I hate these zealots! The sad thing is they parrot the media.


30 posted on 10/11/2011 9:31:01 AM PDT by Rick_Michael ( 'REAL' Conservatives who witch hunt their own, are no better than Obama.)
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To: ziravan
"The fact that he continues to defend his stance is troubling," said Justin Pulliam, a member of the Texas Aggie Conservatives. "He's not an all-around conservative candidate."

Ah the words of advise from a 20-year-old who probably immediately went to his Facebook page and told all his friends how cool it was he was interviewed by the news. He probably then went to the Dixie Chicken and ran up more charges on his Daddy's credit card!

I am a Aggie and I don't particularly like Rick Perry either. But using a college kids to slam Rick Perry is ridiculous. College kids think about (in order) sleeping, sex, eating, Facebook, partying and occasionally studying. They will say or do anything you want, whether they are a liberal or conservative.

BTW...College boy can look for an "all-around conservative" all he wants because he like the rest of us is going to get Mitt Romney shoved down his and our throats.
31 posted on 10/11/2011 11:43:34 AM PDT by TexanByBirth (Free Republic: where they may agree with the message, but they love to shoot the messenger!)
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To: Rick_Michael
'REAL' Conservatives who witch hunt their own, are no better than Obama.

Love your tagline...it speaks volumes!

Too bad most people on FR will think it doesn't apply to them!
32 posted on 10/11/2011 11:48:13 AM PDT by TexanByBirth (Free Republic: where they may agree with the message, but they love to shoot the messenger!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Should it be a deal-breaker if the alternative is Romney?

That’s the real question for conservatives.


33 posted on 10/11/2011 11:50:23 AM PDT by WOSG (“Legion of Acceptibility”)
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To: TexanByBirth

I know Justin personally. He is an active Conservative in this community and was a key resource in sending Chet Edwards packing.

You are wrong.


34 posted on 10/11/2011 12:24:41 PM PDT by ziravan (You don't have to be a rocket scientist to be President...but it helps.)
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To: ziravan

So what! I know a dozen or more conservative college boys and girls too!

They are still college kids! I put ZERO credibility into what they have to say! When they grow up, get a job, buy a house, pay taxes and raise kids, then I will listen to what they say! Until then they are just a kid living through one of the easiest and best times of their life! They should enjoy the college experience, because the real world is a far different place

And I didn’t realize your friend was so powerful that he was one of the key resources that sent Chet Edwards packing. I am sure Bill Flores and all the other conservatives in District 17 couldn’t have defeated Edwards without such a powerful person!


35 posted on 10/11/2011 1:07:40 PM PDT by TexanByBirth (Free Republic: where they may agree with the message, but they love to shoot the messenger!)
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