Posted on 10/12/2011 7:31:09 AM PDT by Kaslin
"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with a man who says he is a poached egg - or he would be the devil of hell.You must take your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us."
C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
C.S. Lewis's famous "trilemma" confronts those who affirm the moral teachings of Christianity while distancing themselves from Christ's more difficult declarations about His deity, man's sinfulness, and the narrowness of the path to salvation. Jesus' famous "Golden Rule," is enthusiastically embraced in postmodern society while his other teachings are widely rejected. Accustomed to defining their own reality, postmodernists pick and choose from Jesus' teachings as if He offered them some kind of spiritual smorgasbord. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is selected as a delicacy, while "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me" is rejected as distasteful.
The tension between benign Christian morality and the exclusivity of the claims of Christ recently came into play when Baptist Preacher Robert Jeffress - by way of expressing his support for Rick Perry's presidential candidacy - asserted that Mitt Romney is not a Christian and that Mormonism is a cult. In an interview with Anderson Cooper, Jeffress clarified his point, explaining that from a theological perspective, Mormonism is considered a cult because it is outside the historical tradition of Christianity, it recognizes a human being (Joseph Smith) and not God as it's founder, and it regards extra-Biblical texts (The Book of Mormon; The Pearl of Great Price) as being on equal footing with Holy Scripture.
For his part, Cooper seemed offended that Jeffress would presume to judge the claims of another when it comes to religious identity. If someone says they are a "Christian," then who is to say otherwise? If the Mormon Church says it is Christian, then that is their truth and no one has a right to refute it.
This gets back to Lewis's "trilemma," and the dissonance that occurs when society affirms Christ's moral teachings, but rejects his other claims. As Lewis points out, Christ did not leave this way open to us. He made very specific assertions about His nature and that of humanity which we either believe or not. Therefore, we cannot all call ourselves "Christian" unless we empty the word of its meaning.
The Nicene Creed is one of the oldest and most widely accepted distillations of what Christians believe:
We believe in One God, the Father Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth, of all that is - seen and unseen. We believe in One Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten from the Father. God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten not made, of one Being with the Father, through Him all things were made. For us and for our salvation, He came down from Heaven. By the power of the Holy Spirit, He became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered death and was buried. On the third day He rose again in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. We believe in one holy and catholic apostolic church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
This creed incorporates the historic tenets of the Christian faith.
Therefore, when an individual or group holds itself out as "Christian," it is a fair exercise to evaluate how their beliefs align with this historic affirmation. That's true whether Anderson Cooper likes it or not. Does Mormonism fit within the historic definition of Christianity or not? Do Mitt Romney's beliefs conform to what Christians over the centuries have affirmed or not? Does the word "Christian" have objective, propositional meaning or not? If it does, then isn't it fair to test the claims of those who call themselves "Christian" against those beliefs that have historically been associated with that religion?
Of course, we live in a free society and people can identify themselves however they choose, but merely saying something doesn't make it so. I can say I'm the Queen of England if it makes me feel good about myself, but this self-delusion won't carry any weight with those guarding the gates of Buckingham Palace.
Pastor Jeffress real sin in the eyes of Anderson Cooper may be that the Reverend deigned to mix religion with politics in an apparent attempt to create a political advantage. If that was the case, then Mr. Cooper's indignation may have been justified. Article VI of the United States Constitution provides that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." And long before our Constitution came into being, none other than Martin Luther declared, "I would rather be governed by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian."
That said, the question remains, "Are Mormons Christian?" Since Mormons assert that they are, isn't this a fair subject of public debate? Since religious truth claims have eternal consequences, isn't it in the public interest to examine the merits of those claims? The election of a Mormon president will likely do more than any other single event to mainstream Mormonism into American life, with all of the consequences attendant thereto. That being the case, why should the claims of that religion be any more immune from scrutiny than those of any other religion?
America will be a poorer country when we reach the point where discussions about religion and our eternal destiny can no longer be part of the public dialogue.
NO.
They teach that Jesus and Lucifer were “brothers”.
They teach, “As we are now, God once was. As God is now, we shall someday be.”
They put Joseph Smith on the same level as Jesus Christ.
They are NOT Christians.
They are a cult.
Nice folks, but their theology is NOT Biblical.
In regards to the GOP nomination, the better questions is if Mittens is really a Mormon, or a slick opportunist willing to say or do anything to get elected?
Conservative should postpone this discussion until after the election.
Theologically, Mormons aren’t Christian.
Can an individual Mormon have come to a personal, salvational relationship with Christ? I don’t know; God will have to sort that our. I feel the same about Jehovah’s Witnesses.
For me, if a person, Baptist, Mormon, Catholic, Orthodox, even Methodist or Presbyterian (full disclosure, I was a Presbyterian for about two years), says he is a Christian, then, though I may otherwise disagree with his doctrines, I am willing to let God judge. If a person says he is NOT a Christian, then I can state, definitively, his eteranl destination.
But historically, and theologically, good people though they are, Mormons are not Christians.
Therefore, when an individual or group holds itself out as "Christian," it is a fair exercise to evaluate how their beliefs align with this historic affirmation. That's true whether Anderson Cooper likes it or not. Does Mormonism fit within the historic definition of Christianity or not? Do Mitt Romney's beliefs conform to what Christians over the centuries have affirmed or not? Does the word "Christian" have objective, propositional meaning or not? If it does, then isn't it fair to test the claims of those who call themselves "Christian" against those beliefs that have historically been associated with that religion?
Thanks for posting this!
Related thread:
Is Nicene Christianity that important? An historical-ecumenical note
No.
This is who the true Jesus is:
Colossians 1:16-17 (KJV)
“For by him were all things created,
that are in heaven, and that are in earth,
visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:
all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things,
and by him all things consist.”
Just because he is in first place, there is no guarantee that he will be the nominee.
Mormonism is considered a cult because it is outside the historical tradition of Christianity,
How about Republicans STOP PLAYING the RELIGIOUS LITMUS TEST GAME?!?!??!
If you’d like another 4 years of Obama, just keep playing this game!!!
I am not a Christian but I can tell you from studying comparatively for 30 years...NO. They are an off-shoot of Christianity...but no where near ‘orthodox’ in doctrine.
Mormons are Mormons. They call themselves Christians because they do not want people to know what Mormonism stands for.
If you have to cloak your belief by another name there is a problem with what you actually believe. It’s disingenous, dishonest, deceitful, and a major character issue.
Christianity is unique among religions in that it rejects any “works based” salvation.
Mormonism teaches that your salvation is worked out by what you do. If it is “works based”, it is not Christian.
They also have no crosses, and their “communion” is water, not a representation of the blood of Jesus.
>>Conservative should postpone this discussion until after the election.<<
>>Conservative should postpone this discussion until after the election.<<
>>Conservative should postpone this discussion until after the election.<<
BEARS REPEATING!!!!!!!!!!!
No. Duh.
great point.
I understand that. But the reason that this question is being asked is because of Mitt. He should be defeated not because of his religious beliefs, but because his record shows that he is not a conservative.
Are there Christians calling themselves Mormons, if “a rose by another name smells as sweet?”
I suspect some mormons are Christians, but Mormonism does not teach Christianity. It teaches a “parallel universe” equivalent that is similar but leaves out the cornerstone. It leaves out the most important part. The core.
That is what makes it so evil. If it didn’t claim to be Christian it would be just another man made religion.
C.S. Lewis was a pedaphile and you use his words to attempt to make your point?
How pathetic.
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