Posted on 10/12/2011 7:31:09 AM PDT by Kaslin
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“He should be defeated not because of his religious beliefs, but because his record shows that he is not a conservative.”
Agreed. This is NOT a defense of Mormonism, but if Romney was more of a Mormon he would be less of a liberal. I regard Romney to be as much an exemplar of Mormons as Nancy Pelosi is of Catholics, and Bill Clinton is of Baptists.
Romney is unacceptable as a both a liar and a liberal. There is no need to go further than that.
Gee, sounds like Amway...
“Does it really matter whether anyone knows or believe thay are or aren’t? Why not just let God take care of that and quit worrying about others?”
I like how you think. Thank you.
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because, no mortal can be perfectly objective.
ALL of us, make decisions, influenced by our beliefs.
...we are electing, what is still, the most powerful person in the world. The beliefs of this person, DO matter !
(hasn’t anti-Christian pro-Islam Obama,
proved this enough for you yet?)
I’m getting sick and tired of FOX and Laura Ingraham, Chris Christie-Rove types telling me that I’m a bigot because I don’t believe Mormons are Christians.
They are not!
Some are; some aren't.
Are Catholics Christian?
Some are; some aren't.
Are Methodists Christian?
Some are; some aren't.
Are Mormons Christian?
Some are; some aren't.
Now please don't misunderstand. I am not arguing that Mormonism is simply another denomination of the Christian faith. I don't believe that. I believe that theologically, Mormon-ism is way, way outside of the mainstream. The list of doctrines that are extra-biblical is extremely long—starting with the idea that the writings of Joseph Smith are scripture. And his writings (I include the Book of Mormon among them) are the source of most of the rest of the difference between Mormonism and the Christian faith.
But... I count a number of Mormons among my best friends. And in nearly every case, I would consider them to be Christians, even as I consider the theology of their church to be non-Christian. They have, as I have, accepted Jesus Christ as the one who has died on a cross to provide for their individual salvation and the only one through whom salvation is even possible.
Do Mormons mean something different by that than I do? Some do and some don't. But you have to ask yourself whether a Baptist means exactly the same thing soteriologically and Christologically as a Catholic, or a Methodist, or a Lutheran, or a Presbyterian. Examine each of their doctrines and practices and you will find a lot of dis-similarity.
Unless my friends in all these denominations are completely lying about it, in most cases (though not all) after considerable questioning and discussion, I think we share the same bottom line. Does that necessarily apply to each and every member of their respective theological groups? No.
Does that mean that I believe the Romney's or Huntsman's Mormonism is a non-issue. Of course not. When I vote for a presidential candidate I want to know everything I can about them. (Something we have been completely denied regarding the current occupant of the office.) I want to know what makes them tick and that includes their faith, their beliefs about the Constitution, the role of government, what they believe about how economies work, and what they believe about national defense. I want to know all that and more.
Would I vote for Romney? I would prefer not to but his Mormonism is pretty far down the list of reasons why not. Still, if it comes down to Romney or Obama, I would stand with Luther who said, "I would rather be ruled by a competent Turk, than an incompetent Christian."
(Ironically, it might be the case that in our current scenario, Obama might be an incompetent Turk and Romney might be a less than competent Christian, but I digress.)
So who is more competent? Obama or Romney? Relatively speaking, I don't think that is a difficult question to answer. But I pray that is not the choice we have to make.
Any citizen who paid any attention to the Values voter Summit— Or to the Fundamental changes of this present Administration ought be able to see the results of the divorce between America and our founding Religion. From the changes in our Military training Repeal of DADT and plans to Repeal DOMA as but two examples. Mr.Fischer made more sense at the summit than any other person I have heard on what a President ought look like. A series of Legal opinion 1878-1890 on bigamy, polygamy, and “marriage “in a Christian nation suggest once upon a time in America the church invented by Joseph Smith in the mid 1800’s was considered non-Christian—or at best near Christian.
First of all, if you're going to sling filth, learn how to spell. Second, what you've stated is untrue--and you know it. Knock it off. If you can't argue your case without lying, then don't argue your case.
My statement concerned those who are members, but are somehow led, by the Holy Spirit, to Christ anyway. Is this a possibility? I don't know, and neither do you. I think it improbable, but impossible? I leave that to God, and in the meantime will treat them as any other person who is not a Christian.
The requirements for salvation are simple. While I believe in a true doctrine, and lots of false ones, even in the Christian Church, one doesn't have to believe it all down to the jot and tittle to be saved. One doesn't even have to know it all.
I'm a modified Calvinist, myself. I can't quite believe in predestination, but I believe God knows whether or not you will be saved in the end.
I believe baptism is commanded by Christ, but I don't believe it has any power to salvation in itself. I don't believe that the communion bread is the actual body of Christ, or that taking communion has value to save. I don't believe that a priest can forgive sins, although I do find value in confessing to another person. Does that make me a non-Christian? There are those that would say so.
“C.S. Lewis was a pedaphile and you use his words to attempt to make your point?
How pathetic.”
Actually he was quite candid about his shortcomings and they did not include pedophilia. In his youth he was in fact attracted to older women.
Not only is your spelling poor and your logic flawed, but you are also either ignorant, a deceiver, or both.
For the moment (but only for a moment) I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you intend to provide some evidence for that statement. Please ping me when you have posted it.
They are a cult.
Kind of like the JoooOOoo...ooOOooos
Some conservatives wonder why the media likes to label them ....
WHY!! Do we consider Romney a conservative?
No, they aren’t Christians. Been there, done that.
That's a good question. One I ask myself about politicans of my own denomination, the Southern Baptists, more conservative than which you cannot get.
Mormons are as “christian” as the Roman Catholic Church is..
Mormon teachings are no stranger than RCC teachings are..
Its true Scientology is a bit stranger as Jehovah Witness doctrine is as well..
There are cultish aspects within all mainstream denominations..
Sheep Pen theology is mostly about the pen than the sheep..
(John ch 10)....
Could panaxanax possibly be thinking of Lewis Carroll, author of Alice in Wonderland? I seem to recall that there were some “recent” allegations that Lewis Carroll was a pedophile because of all of the time that he spent with the girl after whom Alice was patterned.
Is the Mormon Church Christian? No, not even close. It teaches an entirely different (and far inferior) God the Father, God the Son and Holy Spirit, along with many other damnable heresies.
Are some Mormons Christians despite the doctrines of their church? Probably, though most will eventually see the light and come out of the LDS.
Is Mormonism a cult? Theologically? absolutely. Socialogically (which is how the average person defines “cult”)? Debatable. It certainly has some cultic aspects, but the line between legitimate, religious peer pressure and manipulation and mind control is sometimes blurry.
Is it OK for a Mormon to be POTUS? I think we should wait until such time as a Mormon who would otherwise be an at least somewhat, acceptable candidate for POTUS emerges. Romney and Hunstman are utterly unacceptable based upon their Liberal politics and records, so the “Should we elect a Mormon POTUS?” discussion is moot, at this point in time.
....and the Nicene Creed encompasses what Jesus said about Himself and uses the words of others about Jesus, in the New Testament, merely gathered together in one coherent statement on which people can understand and stand upon.
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