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What have elected politicians like Obama learned? To game the system, to tax the unconnected, to stimulate his ultra rich cronies to contribute to his re-election, to game the system, to tax the unconnected, to stimulate his rich cronies to repay him with high paying directorships and.....

I will support Cain. I like everything he says.

I like Perry, I like his track record.

I don’t like Romney. He is machine. The party structure likes him, the MSM call him “inevitable”. Every “party Republican”, whatever, “inevitable”, if elected, goes native.

GOES NATIVE. This is what people who care, dislike about the current Republicans. Once elected, Democrat light.

Machine hates outsiders.

If we are going to have an expanding Government and collapsing economy, It may as well be rightfully under another America-hating Democrat or a globalist like Romney who would continue this practice of sticking his nose into the world.

1 posted on 10/14/2011 5:40:51 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen
Perry=Thompson

Cain=Huckabee

Romney=McCain

2 posted on 10/14/2011 5:42:46 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: IbJensen

Should Cain succeed in breaking the political mold then he will have done us a great service.


3 posted on 10/14/2011 5:44:32 AM PDT by decimon
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To: IbJensen
Here’s another data point: A couple of months back, Newt Gingrich’s entire campaign staff — including Dave Carney, the putative “next Karl Rove” — split and decamped for Texas, soon to join Rick Perry’s campaign. What happened? Today Gingrich is rising in the polls — apparently on the strength of his debate performances — and Perry, who started strong, is, at least for now, in trouble.

Interesting point.

4 posted on 10/14/2011 5:46:21 AM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR so, support it! Compiling New Sarah Palin Ping List! Tell me if you want on it!)
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Cain is surging IN SPITE of all the talking heads. He is doing everything opposite from their advice.
He is his own man


6 posted on 10/14/2011 5:49:20 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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RE :"Karl Rove doesn’t think Herman Cain stands a chance of being POTUS. Bush’s number one consigliere said as much on Fox Thursday night. "

His rationale?? Rove prefers a rich-white-liberal-big business-big government liberal like Romney?

7 posted on 10/14/2011 5:49:24 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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Cain is surging IN SPITE of all the talking heads. He is doing everything opposite from their advice.
He is his own man


9 posted on 10/14/2011 5:49:35 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: IbJensen
Do you go to a doctor who has never worked on a patient before? It is not that Herman Cain is not a politician, he is a failed politician who tried to run for public office and lost but now he wants to be President, the most powerful job in the world. The man has no governing record to judge him with, he has not enacted any policy to judge him with, he has not voted on any policy to judge him with, because he was never elected to a public office. I would not vote for someone based on the red meat bumper sticker rhetoric that he is telling me. I do not fall for TALKERS. Besides his 9-9-9 tax plan is a disaster on so many levels.

Running a Pizza company where the toughest decision is to open or close a Pizza joint and to increase or reduce the price of a Pizza is not a qualification to run the most powerful government in the history of mankind. The decisions that the President make affect the lives of all Americans and in many cases the entire world and Pizza CEO does not qualify to make these decisions the same way a community organizer showed us that he does not qualify to do this. Having a degree in Math does not qualify someone to be a President. Being a good debater does not qualify someone to be President because a President does not enact polices in 30 seconds sound bites and does not negotiate with Congress in 3 seconds zingers, Presidents do not govern by debates.

If Herman Cain is the nominee, I would not vote for President on the ballot. I would just vote for Congress and the elected offices down the ballot.

11 posted on 10/14/2011 5:52:22 AM PDT by jgge
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I love that the American people are waking up and are engaged in this campaign. It isn’t about the moneyed campaigns, and it keeps good people from running. If we really want to throw off the political elite ruling class and get back to letting elections being about the best candidate winning, the emphasis on fund-raising and who has the biggest war chest/machine has to be sidelined. Maybe I’m idealistic but that is what democracy and America was supposed to be about. I find the ‘retail’ campaign of Herman Cain refreshing.

I hope we can get beyond money and powerful camaign organizations and let the next leader be elected by WE THE PEOPLE. Let the best man or woman win.

I hope.


14 posted on 10/14/2011 5:54:32 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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Oh, don’t worry , he’s a pro alright, 999=666.


16 posted on 10/14/2011 5:55:16 AM PDT by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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“Who, pray tell, is yelling “Stop” today? It sure isn’t Washington Republicans. Now, don’t misunderstand me—these days, I believe there is generally no question about which party to support. I am a proud, albeit frustrated, Republican. I am frustrated because Republicans have so often been part of the problem in Washington, rather than standing on principle to give voice to the American people. We should not endeavor to be better than Democrats only by default—that is, “Democrat Lite.” Rather we should endeavor to demonstrate that we believe in something bigger than ourselves.” p.140

Perry, Rick; Newt Gingrich (2010-11-15). Fed Up!: Our Fight to Save America from Washington . Little, Brown and Company. Kindle Edition.


17 posted on 10/14/2011 5:55:25 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed:Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now, now. now!)
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Love it....next thing you’ll hear “Cain the job killer”...destroying GOP pundit jobs.

(AP) Herman Cain has single handedly destroyed a number of overpaid GOP inside the beltway executive level positions to the delight of his fans and supporters.

The Hermanator as he is known to his friends and supporters has forced Karl Rove to corner of 7th and Pennsylvania Ave. Holding a sign saying “I will Pundit for Peanuts”


27 posted on 10/14/2011 5:58:42 AM PDT by BubbaJunebug
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My have has no use for Rove goes back to his Bush daze spkeman when there were repeated attacks on that administration and no response to those attacks...


31 posted on 10/14/2011 6:00:32 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (To punish a province let it be ruled by a professor Fredrick The Great paraphrased)
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I for one am totally enjoying watching the political pundits go crazy over the thought that Cain is bypassing them and going straight to the American people and making tremendous headway while they sit and insist it is up to themselves to choose for us (uneducated, unsophisticated). It is totally beyond their belief that we, the unsophisticated, could or would choose someone that they have not “vetted”. Herman Cain was able to turn around two big corporations, I hope he gets the chance to turn around the US, it after all will be much the same when all is said and done......spend less than you take in.


37 posted on 10/14/2011 6:03:05 AM PDT by midwyf (Wyoming Native. Environmentalism is a religion too.)
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This is CODE for the fact that Rove and Romney
will destroy anyone who takes what they think
they own.

"Go Mitt. Go Mitt. Go Mitt"


"Rove is pushing Romney so aggressively
some folks are beginning to wonder what's going on,"
grumbled one veteran Republican strategist."


"Rove has made no secret
of his support for Romney as McCain's VP. "

44 posted on 10/14/2011 6:05:30 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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Rove — arguably the reigning monarch of political pros

On what base does Rove have this huge reputation?

He managed to win 2 elections by the skin of his teeth in 2000 and 2004 that he should of won handily. He managed the utterly disastrous showing of the GOP in 2006 and 2008. And the election in 2002 had way more to do with the Post 09-11 election environment then anything Rove managed.

Rove's reputation is vastly overblown.

51 posted on 10/14/2011 6:09:43 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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The article is interesting as far as it goes, but we have yet to see any proof that a candidate's popularity in early national polls translates to winning state primaries. 2008 was a good example. No matter what anyone says, Cain will need a lot of money, and his ability to raise it will be the true test of his electability. And the big money won't start flowing until he is fully tested and vetted.
59 posted on 10/14/2011 6:15:43 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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It’s very frustrating to have the media, the talking heads and the party establishment all trying to tell the voters which candidate is best for them. How about we try letting the voters decide this time? All of the above didn’t do such a great job with McCain last time around did they? We have a good field, we just need a great team. I think VP talk should be a part of each candidate’s strategy so the voters can get an idea of what kind of team we would have. Every candidate on the stage could be a part of the team by filling in cabinet positions. Then we’d get somewhere!


65 posted on 10/14/2011 6:18:33 AM PDT by SmileRight
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I am GETTING SICK of listening to Rove. I heard him recently in a radio interview and he made absolutely no sense as he hem hawed around three different tax plans and in the end, he pretty much said that nothing significant is going to change in the tax code.

This thinking is why no significant changes to VERY REAL problems have been made in almost two decades. These Congressmen sit in Washington and tinker around with existing programs but almost purposely avoid real reforms. It is obvious that they have some level of protection from the problems the rest of us face and many have no desire to change that.


66 posted on 10/14/2011 6:20:35 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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Karl Rove doesn’t think Herman Cain stands a chance of being POTUS.


I think Rove’s glory days are behind him. Furthermore,I think Rove stands a good chance of being irrelavent in upcoming Presidential election if he isn’t already. Except as a shill for oRomney. These anti-Cain Establishment pubs might as well come right out and say Romney gives them a tingle up their leg.


68 posted on 10/14/2011 6:24:04 AM PDT by Leep
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Karl Rove is making lots of us in the country madder & madder with his pontificating about what ANY candidate is doing.

“Wasting his time going to ‘God-forsaken Tennessee’???

How much can you insult an electorate, Rove?

there are many very productive, independent people in Tennessee.

Tennessee has drawn many transplants from other states with their fiscal attitude—not just raising taxes to spend more money—they actually don’t try to do social projuects that are thinly disguised wealth reallocation.
They have no personal income taxes & a very low Workmen’s Comp system—because they don’t take claims for WC lightly—they investigate.

Home prices are decent & propety taxes are fair.

This is something other states could study & learn from.

I happen to know people in Tennessee who left California & their insatiable appetite for more & more taxes & workmen’s comp insurance with no justification. After luring millions of illegals into Calif, natives of that state are leaving in droves.

The attitude of the East Coast Elite Republican Old Guard, like Karl Rove, have apparently totally forgotten about people in Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Missouri, etc. We DO COUNT—and we are NOT stupid.

You are turning every one of us Republicans off more & more each day.

Herman Cain is a breath of fresh air.

Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with some better facts, MR ROVE!!!!!


135 posted on 10/14/2011 9:32:21 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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