Posted on 10/17/2011 5:35:15 AM PDT by Def Conservative
Marriage is the perview of the individual states, is it not? Cain is right on this. Defend DOMA and that should be enough.
“There needs to be a uniform definition of marriage in this country”
Isn’t Santorum Catholic? If so, marriage is a religious sanctity. Any legal arrangement made by the state outside of the church isn’t marriage, it is a civil union... even heterosexuals that get “married” at city hall. As long as the state doesn’t force the church to perform the rite, marriage is protected as far as I am concerned.
“What Mr. Santorum forgets is that there is nothing in the CONSTITUTION that allows the federal govt. to decide this for us.”
Sometimes that pesky ol’ document gets in the way of conservatives just as it does liberals.
“If you get married in New York, then move to Texas, you are no longer married.”
Does that go for normal couples as well?
I’ve tried pushing the idea that the best way to defeat the queers on this issue is to simply get government out of marriage altogether.
I got lit up like the fourth of July here on FR for that stance. It seems that even conservatives WANT to have to ask government permission to join together in love as God intended.
If marriage was only a religious institution rather than a state one, then why would the gays care about marriage at all?
Interesting.
I don't know of any states that will not recognize hetero 2 person marriages unless there is some weird twist if that sort.
In fact, marriages from other nations are generally legal here, but I doubt if the state dept. would even grant permanent resident visas for an alien and his 20 wives. If such an alien family were here illegally, that might be interesting.
As my example on state gun control laws go, there is no precedent for states having to follow other states regulations and laws. So what if SC must recognize a MA SS marriage license? But if SC law doesn't give benefits to SS marriages and only to opposite sex ones then it shouldnt matter. Can I bring Maryland traffic laws with me to VA. Can I use a radar detector there?
As my example on state gun control laws go, there is no precedent for states having to follow other states regulations and laws. So what if SC must recognize a MA SS marriage license? But if SC law doesn't give benefits to SS marriages and only to opposite sex ones then it shouldnt matter. Can I bring Maryland traffic laws with me to VA. Can I use a radar detector there?
Santorum = YAWN
The guy is a complete bore.. and his attack on conservatives vs. a Liberal like Romney. Tells you everything you need to know about him.
A Constitutional Amendment is the essence of state rights. Is the method constitution gives to the STATES to modify or alter the federal government functions.
My biggest problem with candidates promising( calling for) a constitutional amendment is they know there is zero % chance it will be ratified, so they need to stop rubbing on our legs and talk about something with >0% chance of success.
These candidates promise enough blue sky stuff that is more probable than this.
Correct so far, but it's early in the game. A court ruling in Mass. says that same sex couples must get federal benefits. This ruling could be overturned, but they keep chipping away, and they never stop. So if this ruling is upheld, it would almost certainly spread to other states.
You saw what happened with Roe v. Wade and the "right" of illegal aliens to get free education. Practices which were thought of as unacceptable are now part of the "American way of life," at least to the courts. Even when California passes a state constitutional amendment against gay marrige, they don't give up. If SS couples get federal benefits, that gives them momentum.
How does Holder get away with not defending DOMA? He wouldn't if enough people and politicians rose up against him.
Now that DADT is gone, they are delighted at the opportunity of making TV commercials showing gay "war widows" with no benefits. In Post-DADT Era, The Gay War Widow Waits
When USCIS denied a green card to a same sex couple, in a famous case, Napolitano granted a "humanitarian parole," turning a legal "sow's ear" into a political silk purse, at least from the left's point of view. They use executive power when they can, congress when they can, and the courts when they can.
Before her retirement Sanda Day O’Conner was a terrible SCOTUS case decider her last number of years. She created the constitutional right to homosexual sodomy. She ruled that colleges could discriminate based on race for diversity. She even ruled that drug possession traffic stops(roadblocks) were unconstitutional, but alcohol drunk driving roadblocks were constitutional,
She did one thing right, retire before a Dem took the WH.
” I wont try to guess what judges will do after the Sandra Day Oconner disaster, but try using a gun permit from VA in NYC and you will see how far ‘Full Faith and Credit” gets you.”
Only cops & criminals are allowed guns in NYC.
This is why I think on some issues we need the federal government to step in and enforce the Constitution over the objections of liberal states and localities.
You are aware that if we amend the Constitution we can do stuff that wasn’t in the original Constitution, right?
What Rick Santorum is saying that we should amend the Constitution to limit marriage in the U.S. to one man and one woman, and I agree with him on this. We should have done that back in the late ‘90s or in 2003-2004 when we had the chance to do it fairly uncontroversially.
I’m on the Cain Train right now, and I hope that he comes to his senses and supports a federal marriage amendment.
“I agree with Rick Santorum on the need for a national consensus on what constitutes a “marriage.” Yet I recognize we currently have DOMA which would protect Marriage in those States which yet acknowledge the Supreme Power -and the fundamental institution of our society.”
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