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World population nears 7 billion: Can we handle it?
MSN ^ | 10/17/2011 | David Crary AP

Posted on 10/17/2011 2:05:33 PM PDT by sodpoodle

She's a 40-year-old mother of eight, with a ninth child due soon. The family homestead in a Burundi village is too small to provide enough food, and three of the children have quit school for lack of money to pay required fees.

"I regret to have made all those children," says Godelive Ndageramiwe. "If I were to start over, I would only make two or three."

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By the time Ndageramiwe's ninth child arrives, and any further members of the Kasadha clan, the world's population will have passed a momentous milestone. As of Oct. 31, according to the U.N. Population Fund, there will be 7 billion people sharing Earth's land and resources.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: malthusianparanoia; population; prolife
Long ago, there was an FR discussion thread on this topic - thought it was already 16 billion - equal to all the humans that had ever been born since recorded history.

The answer of course, is abstinence or contraception. Not abortion that the developed nations are imposing on third worlders.

1 posted on 10/17/2011 2:05:38 PM PDT by sodpoodle
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To: sodpoodle

Apparently the only solution is to ship them all here.


2 posted on 10/17/2011 2:09:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (ALCS/NLCS playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2789907/posts)
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To: sodpoodle

“I regret to have made all those children,” says Godelive Ndageramiwe.

...made?! Does she have a magic pottery wheel?


3 posted on 10/17/2011 2:09:41 PM PDT by albie
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To: sodpoodle

yeah! agenda 21 they already have plans.


4 posted on 10/17/2011 2:10:15 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: sodpoodle
"I regret to have made all those children," says Godelive Ndageramiwe. "If I were to start over, I would only make two or three."

Good little disciple of Hillary.

The answer of course, is abstinence or contraception. Not abortion that the developed nations are imposing on third worlders.

Cousin of the disciple.

Human beings are not chattel and are the source of prosperity in the most comprehensive use of the word - not a hindrance.

Gawd, how can people be so f(((*g stupid?

5 posted on 10/17/2011 2:11:46 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: sodpoodle
Get rid of the Muslims, Communists, and "liberals," and we'll come out okay.

ML/NJ

6 posted on 10/17/2011 2:13:05 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: sodpoodle

UN population estimates from wikipedia. Not sure what they expect to happen with that green line.

7 posted on 10/17/2011 2:13:51 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Um, er, how did we “handle” population when it was at a billion people in 1900? How did mother earth EVER survive? Gosh life was just peachy for the average person back then.


8 posted on 10/17/2011 2:15:51 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: albie

That she regards her children as a burden is the tragedy.

My grandparents had 10 children and supported them (frugally) on a farm laborer’s wages. They were blessed with good health, the work ethic and faith in God. They lived in circumstance that, today, would be described as poverty. They took no charity, welfare or free services. Perhaps they bartered vegetables, eggs and chickens - but they were never hungry - physically or spiritually.


9 posted on 10/17/2011 2:16:17 PM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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To: the invisib1e hand

How? Because it’s so easy to be that way.


10 posted on 10/17/2011 2:16:51 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm sticking with Herman. No more second terms!)
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To: sodpoodle

Damn, it seems like a second ago it was 6 bill now it’s 7? Ok, who’s doing all the screwing?


11 posted on 10/17/2011 2:18:43 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: P.O.E.

That’s actually optimistic. The green line assumes that the present trend of declining birthrates continues, and that those nations that are under 2.1 will come back up to that level.

There are already fewer children born today worldwide than were vorn back in 2000. Population is only growing because people are living longer, not because people are having more children.

First time I believe in human history that fewer children have been born. Ever.


12 posted on 10/17/2011 2:22:53 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: P.O.E.

Thanks for the chart.

As for the green line - prediction of war and/or pestilence?

Wonder if there is a chart showing the bubonic plague and other periods when the population was decimated? Such a chart would surely show a subsequent upswing (i.e. boomers). The human race, like other species compensates for high birth and death rates; does it not?


13 posted on 10/17/2011 2:23:01 PM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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To: P.O.E.
UN population estimates from wikipedia. Not sure what they expect to happen with that green line.

Simple, something causes the transportation system to break down. We used to live where the food was. Now we live in places like LA and Las Vegas where the weather is nice, but you can't grow food. If you get a big war in the Middle East between Iran and Saudi that takes out all big oil fields. That causes oil to go to $300 a barrel. Then the trucks and trains stop running and food stops moving.

In the US it would be bad. Like riots and cities burning bad. But we have a lot of food near to hand and we have assets to trade for oil. In the third world where they are on meal from starvation in good times you could see millions die off.
14 posted on 10/17/2011 2:23:18 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: sodpoodle

Not to worry. In a hundred years they’ll all be dead anyway. Well most of them. The first recorded billion population was in 1804 but I read somewhere it was 1839.


15 posted on 10/17/2011 2:25:39 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse.)
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To: sodpoodle

You say the answer is contraception - are you a Malthusian leftist?

The Catholic Church founded by Christ makes it clear that artificial contraception is gravely immoral.


16 posted on 10/17/2011 2:31:05 PM PDT by impimp
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To: GonzoGOP

No, it’s actually an optimistic projection, that merely assumes that the present rate of declining birth rates continues, and that the nations that are already declining, have birthrates that rise back up to 2.1

There’s nothing to support this rise, which isn’t observed anywhere in the world.

Without this optimistic assumption, I believe it’s 2030 that worldwide population begins to decline.


17 posted on 10/17/2011 2:33:22 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: GonzoGOP; P.O.E.

Waiting for the Global Warming goobers to jump on this one!!!


18 posted on 10/17/2011 2:35:37 PM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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To: sodpoodle

Nothing that World War III won’t cure.


19 posted on 10/17/2011 2:42:38 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: sodpoodle
Waiting for the Global Warming goobers to jump on this one!!!

Global warming, if it were to actually happen, would open up more farmland in Canada and Siberia than it destroys. A warmer Earth could support a much larger population. Of course that doesn't go along with AGW narrative.

Now an Ice Age, that could whack a whole lot of people. I mean when a mile thick glacier rolls over New York and Chicago, and LA finds itself miles inland that is just going to play heck with the house prices.
20 posted on 10/17/2011 2:42:49 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: sodpoodle

I never wanted more than one or two kids.

My first wife and I had two girls. My new wife brought a 15 year old daughter into our marriage with her.

We are expecting (at 42 and 40 respectively) our first son.

We were not planning on having another child but God blessed us. We are debating contraception vs sterilization after our son is delivered.

Me? I’d just as soon he have a sibling closer to his age....but I am not the one that would be getting pregnant.

There are how many billions of acres of land on this earth that are not currently lived on or producing food?

The earth can handle it.


21 posted on 10/17/2011 2:47:11 PM PDT by Grunthor (BEAT OBAMA WITH A CAIN!)
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To: Grunthor

Congratulations;)

I know of several women having their first child in their late 30’s & 40’s.

As noted elsewhere on this thread - life expectancy is going up and we are adjusting accordingly.

Good luck and God bless.


22 posted on 10/17/2011 2:58:01 PM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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To: impimp

I am not a Catholic and do not answer to the Church.

Have known many Catholic women who use(d) birth control pills, IUDs, tubal ligation and abstinence (when mad at husband).

I do not however, countenance abortion, extra familial IVF, sperm donors, egg donors, rental wombs, homosexual adoption or other perversions of God’s creation. And no, I am not a Mormon.

Next question?


23 posted on 10/17/2011 3:04:29 PM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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To: sodpoodle

God tells us to be fruitful and multiply. Trust that He will provide and He will.


24 posted on 10/17/2011 3:08:50 PM PDT by Josephat
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To: Past Your Eyes
How? Because it’s so easy to be that way.

Like it's easier to burn than to put yourself out if you're on fire?

25 posted on 10/17/2011 3:10:06 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: impimp

Founded by whom??

The early church was founded by Christ, not Catholicism which came hundreds of years later. Try again.


26 posted on 10/17/2011 3:10:59 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: sodpoodle

It isn’t our job to handle it. Wherever they reside, it is their job to handle it.

You can’t micro manage the world. It won’t work.

The founders of the United States knew that many moons ago. Shame people didn’t listen and learn.


27 posted on 10/17/2011 3:12:51 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Josephat

Notice ‘fruitful’ is first. Then multiply.

I did not post this thread to advocate birth control - but to illustrate that there are many people on this earth who are bringing children into a life of poverty and deprivation. The third worlders appear to have lost their natural instincts & abilities to survive and provide the basics for themselves and their children. How did that happen?


28 posted on 10/17/2011 3:16:56 PM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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To: indylindy

I agree - however, for decades, the UN and all the do-gooders have been systematically ‘helping’ with food and funds; administered by the corrupt ‘leaders’ of those countries.

The best ‘invasion’ was 19th & 20th century missionary work - but that appears to have been banished or replaced with the UN (unethical nannies).

One more ‘teach a man to fish - don’t give him a dead flounder’.


29 posted on 10/17/2011 3:25:16 PM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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To: sodpoodle

Anyone who can’t handle it should leave.


30 posted on 10/17/2011 3:35:47 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

Good one;)


31 posted on 10/17/2011 3:43:41 PM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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32 posted on 10/17/2011 4:06:29 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Soothesayer9

Yay! someone who knows the truth!

For the record, last I heard, muslim birthrate was an average of 11. That should scare us.


33 posted on 10/17/2011 4:16:14 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: sodpoodle

What is a population of 7 billion?

A GOOD START!


34 posted on 10/17/2011 4:25:51 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Soothesayer9

Matthew 16:18 ...on this rock I build my church...


35 posted on 10/17/2011 4:41:54 PM PDT by impimp
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To: sodpoodle

No - but God wrote natural law onto our hearts, including non-Catholics. Accepting contraception is to deface what God has written on everyone’s heart.


36 posted on 10/17/2011 4:44:38 PM PDT by impimp
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To: P.O.E.

I figured it was projections if Big Pharm can get the UN to help it distribute Viagra throughout the Third world.

That green line needs some help.


37 posted on 10/17/2011 4:53:51 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Make your choice ! There are NO civilians.)
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To: impimp

I’m sorry - but it’s very difficult to take religious instruction from a person whose pseudonym (phonetically speaking) is I AM Pimp.


38 posted on 10/17/2011 4:55:57 PM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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To: sodpoodle

Hmmm... read the same story in 1999 when we hit 6 billion.


39 posted on 10/17/2011 5:11:22 PM PDT by hattend (If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead. - Cameron Connor)
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To: BenKenobi

I looked it up, and you’re right about the replacement birthrates. They assume Europe will go negative in a decade or so, but Africa will soar. They don’t factor in transcontinental migration.

So, doing the math, it looks like Europe is about to go even further downhill towards Islamification.


40 posted on 10/17/2011 5:17:07 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: sodpoodle
The real answer to overpopulation is free market prosperity. When a society becomes wealthier the birthrate universally drops. That is why formerly turd world countries like Mexico and India have plunging birthrates.

There is no need for government intervention if you are concerned about too many people. Just enable Burundi to develop their own free economy and that Burundi woman's kids won't have ten more, they'll have two or three, like she said she wishes she had.

41 posted on 10/17/2011 7:59:17 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: sodpoodle

Malthus says no.

(Malthus was wrong)


42 posted on 10/17/2011 8:06:08 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: impimp

Right. The apostles.

The POPE came hundreds of years later. As did Islam.


43 posted on 10/18/2011 9:04:34 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Soothesayer9

The apostles were not the rock Jesus was referring to. Rock=Peter=Kephas=Cephas
A little knowledge of Greek and Aramaic will show that.

Peter was the first Pope as only he was given the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. Keys represent an office - Jesus was instituting the Papacy here. Read about Eliakim in Isaiah to see what the keys and the other language in Matthew is referring to.


44 posted on 10/18/2011 5:48:53 PM PDT by impimp
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