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Once-rising Cain may soon fizzle with GOP.
Charlotte Observer ^ | Oct 19, 2011 | Charlotte Observer Editorial Staff

Posted on 10/19/2011 9:44:30 PM PDT by Clairity

His business acumen, his conservative credentials and his plainspokenness drove his popularity up quickly.

But as with many politicians on both sides of the aisle, the more the public sees of him, the less appetizing he becomes. He has repeatedly revealed his lack of understanding of key issues.

CNN's Wolf Blitzer asked Cain if he could imagine as president giving in to an al-Qaida demand to free all of the hundreds of terrorist suspects at Guantanamo Bay in exchange for freeing one American soldier.

"I could see myself authorizing that kind of transfer, but what I would do is, I would make sure that I got all of the information, I got all of the input, considered all of the options," Cain replied. "And then the president has to be the president and make a judgment call. I could make that call if I had to."

Hours later, Cain denied that he had said what he said. Moderator Anderson Cooper asked him to explain his answer to Blitzer.

"Let me say this first, I would have a policy that we do not negotiate with terrorists," Cain said. Cooper pointed out that authorizing a transfer of Gitmo prisoners with al-Qaida is negotiating with terrorists.

"I don't recall him saying that it was al-Qaida related," Cain said.

So what's worse: His willingness to free all Gitmo detainees in a negotiation with al-Qaida, or his denial that he said what he had just said?

Cain's "I-didn't-say-that" routine continued on illegal immigration. First he said he would build an electrified fence all along the U.S.-Mexican border. He later said he was kidding. Then he doubled back and said "It might be electrified. I'm not walking away from that. I just don't want to offend anyone."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; formerdemocratperry; larazarick; openborders; perryastroturfing; romneyattackoncain; romneybotsattack; romneydirt; romneydirtytrick; romneyperry2012; smellslikemitt
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To: justsaynomore; Clairity

Charlotte, NC, home of the Democrat National Convention, unless they back the wrong horse.


41 posted on 10/19/2011 10:50:55 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Clairity; txhurl
I'm probably just in a bad mood over the Rangers loss. I'll get back into the fight tomorrow. By the way, have you seen this:

http://armed-services.senate.gov/statemnt/2011/04%20April/Wechsler%2004-12-11.pdf

It is at least one study by the DoD to appear that the DoD wants to move the war on drugs under the banner of the War on Terror. It is probably the right thing to do and I suspect that the next President will be sending troops into Mexico. That will place one of the battle ground on our front porch and is going to have incredible ramifications on Texas, Arizona and California. That should scare the hell out of everyone and want to make sure the next President can handle fighting a war a few miles from American cities and even deep into our own nation.

42 posted on 10/19/2011 10:53:22 PM PDT by txroadkill (Antlers up! The Claw must be feared! Back2Back American League Champions!)
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To: EEGator

Yep.


43 posted on 10/19/2011 10:55:46 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: abigailsmybaby; LibertarianInExile

No, that’s not what I meant either.

My thought was that no matter what, the elites will get their way and Romney will be in ‘til the end. Here’s what I’ve read about the candidates..... Bachmann is broke and will be out soon, Newt won’t last because of baggage, Cain isn’t organized enough and is nearly broke, Paul is too out-in-left-field and Santorum is broke, boring and a bully. That leaves Perry and Romney. According to those folks in the focus group if it comes down to those two they would unanimously vote for Romney over Perry.

Maybe what I should have said is that the unrelenting push for Perry will be a win for Romney.

At any rate, the thought of Perry trying to debate Obama gives me hives. As lousy as the big 0 is without his tele-p, Perry still couldn’t out-debate him.


44 posted on 10/19/2011 10:58:36 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: Clairity
Perry isn’t just promising that, he has a solid record of creating a business-friendly climate in Texas, which results in jobs

Perry has created more jobs for illegal aliens than all of the other states put together. Unfortunately, this also means that the unemployment rate for Texas citizens is at a record high.

45 posted on 10/19/2011 11:00:49 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

Go to this link and learn something about jobcreation data in Texas:

http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?s=perry


46 posted on 10/19/2011 11:02:57 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: LibertarianInExile
I am also on the "CAIN TRAIN".

From watching the debates since the Iowa Straw poll just over a month ago, here are my thoughts......

It is over the top obvious that the Lame Stream Media is totally pulling for Romney. Now give Mitt some credit, he is totally smooth in the debates. He is the poster child for "CONSUMATE POLITICIAN". At most of the debates I have seen moderators steering their "GOTCHA" questions at his opponants while giving him soft balls.

At the Iowa Straw Poll, Michelle Bachman was at her high water mark. Why? It was her vs Romney, the other canidates were hovering at 10% or lower. Iowa siad they didnt like Romney either.

At the time of the Straw Poll the news of Rick Perry entering the race was a major buzz and the next day it was official. Now I will admit I leaned heavy for Perry once he joined the race. Why?

1. I do not like Rommney, PERIOD

2. I do not think Michelle Bachman is ready for primetime

3. Rest of the field was too shakey IMHO

But I will say after a few debates I have come to the conclusion that Rick Perry SUCKS at debates. Granted he was going to be attacked by his opponants and the moderators would hit him with gotcha questions. But for crying out loud this is the deep end ofthe pool. He should have looked better than that. He honestly has that "Deer in the headlights" look.

I think after those few debates most Republicians backed off Perry and started looking again......ENTER HERMAN CAIN

Herman Cain seized the moment, his 9-9-9 plan is bold, weither or not it can or will pass is an argument for another time. Its BOLD. People want somebody bold. He is articulate, he can think on his feet. Thanks to his time doing a radio show he is a great speaker. Plus when you look at his full bio. Damn what a success story. Yes he is not a politician, well guess what! I think many people agree with me that POLITICIANS got us into this mess to begin with!

Now that being said, Herman needs to be carefull, he has defended his plan very well, but he cannot spend every waking moment doing just that. When a reporter or opponant tells him that "their" economist ran the numbers and this, this, this is the results. Herman Cain should simply respond. "I have run the numbers, I know they work, the American people can run the numbers themselves"

Only a liberal would respond with "Americans are too stupid to do the math"

He needs to "round out" his positions on things. He almost got trapped with the "Electric Fence" comment. But guess what? I asked the people I know and people are so angry at nothing being done about the border they would go for ANYTHING including an electric fence.

Now the rest of the field is as such IMHO....

Newt has come up some in the polls, at the last few debates he has acted as the sole adult sometimes and spends allot of time kinda reminding people that Job #1 is put 0bama on the unimployed list.

Bachman, I dont think she is ready for Primetime and she lost all of my respect when last week during the debate in the north east, when it was a free for all on attacking Cain's 9-9-9 plan, other went after it legitamatly saying in their opinions it will not work, their plan is better. But Michelle's response was "The devil is in the details turn 9-9-9 upside down"! WTF!?! Are going to start rewinding music listening for satanic verses?

Ron Paul, he has that 10% very vocal following. I like most of his libertarian views. I think it would be wonderfull to get there but I know the reality we as a nation cant do it COLD TURKEY. As soon as he started the cry baby media and entertainment industry would demonize it and nothing will happen. And he tends to follow a very insightfull comment in the debates with another that makes you go "HUH?"

Santorum, give him credit he gave Romney his 1st black eye in the debates. But he sounds too whiney to me. He comes across as a wimp sometimes. Maybe it just me.

47 posted on 10/19/2011 11:07:36 PM PDT by TheShaz
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To: MrEdd

Thank God! Cain will inflict pain to the socialist train...wreck!


48 posted on 10/19/2011 11:10:15 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: txhurl

Is that the rats deserting Obama or the rats deserting Perry?


49 posted on 10/19/2011 11:17:30 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: abigailsmybaby
... Cain isn’t organized enough and is nearly broke...

Hmmm - Cain raised $2 million in the two weeks after the third quarter closed and the donations don't seem to be slowing. He is rapidly expanding his organization. He has a new mega-PAC supporting him. By the way, Newt is $1 million in debt.

50 posted on 10/19/2011 11:22:23 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: txroadkill

The real question is why does the RNC agree to set up virtually all of their debates with far left moderators that hate them and work for ‘commander zero’?


51 posted on 10/19/2011 11:31:49 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Ingtar

I know he’s raising money but you wouldn’t know it by the anti-Cainites on FR and in the media.


52 posted on 10/19/2011 11:44:26 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: Clairity
Two little boys playing hump the rino, that describes perry and willard. Now this will help you : http://www.cheese.com/
53 posted on 10/19/2011 11:55:14 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Danae

Cain is an illegal lover that won’t adequately secure the border nor deport all the illegals mooching off the government.

In this regard, he’s just barely better than Perry. Barely.

No more illegals! No to Cain!


54 posted on 10/19/2011 11:59:04 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: TheShaz

Yeah, everything you said.

Cain needs to be clearer that 999 abolishes the current tax code with it’s myriad arcane embedded taxes. I know he’s said that, but it hasn’t been sufficiently stressed. All the spin keeps circling around the national sales tax portion, ignoring all the hidden taxes that it replaces.


55 posted on 10/20/2011 12:03:52 AM PDT by Utmost Certainty
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To: Clairity
Clairity, I truly wonder that you do not have the interests of the Republic at heart, only the interests of your preference for a particular candidate.

I'm just a chump from nowhere, watching things unfold just as you are, hoping with every fiber of my being that we can unseat Obama etal. Why have you singled out a decent man for such relentless attack? I'm not suggesting that he be your top choice, only that you allow that he is a decent man attempting to do that to which very few are called.

I respect and admire all of the GOP candidates, and trust their motives (Romney is a challenge, based upon his change of stances so radically in the past 10 years.) But certainly all of the others are decent Americans wishing to serve.

Why do you have a vendetta against Heman Cain that appears to exceed the boundaries of disagreement on some stances?
56 posted on 10/20/2011 12:27:03 AM PDT by jobim
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To: Clairity

Still favoring the Herminator at this point.


57 posted on 10/20/2011 12:29:02 AM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: Clairity; sargon
There you go again...

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58 posted on 10/20/2011 12:50:27 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: Clairity

Mr. Cain has also been all over the map on abortion. None of his positions has been clear enough for any future position to be called a flip-flop, but failure to take a clear position isn’t going to help him. His history of not being able to say something clearly until he’s gone back to his team and gotten something put together makes him look bad. The “anyone but Romney” crowd is suddenly scurrying to him because Rick Perry is clearly a failure, but they will be scurrying somewhere else when Herman Cain fizzles. When they leave Mr. Cain, his campaign will once again deflate.


59 posted on 10/20/2011 1:25:47 AM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: WFTR

What they are selling:

Cain simply can’t cut it as a candidate which is why he is leading in most of the polls.


60 posted on 10/20/2011 2:01:30 AM PDT by Da Mav
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