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No Firearms Training = No God Given Rights in Wisconsin
Ammoland ^ | 19 October, 2011 | Corey Graff, Wisconsin Gun Owners

Posted on 10/20/2011 4:15:02 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: marktwain

or how bout required training within 3-6 months AFTER you recieve your CCW or your license is suspended until you receive the training?

just throwing it out there folks.


21 posted on 10/20/2011 6:34:27 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: marktwain

...or how bout the Gov. get out of my business and quit granting me their perceived ‘rights’.

yeh, that’s even better.


22 posted on 10/20/2011 6:36:21 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: LevinFan
Still, anyone who refuses to be trained and screw up should have the book thrown at them

So if they take the training and still screw up they should be let off the hook?

... and voting is the most fundamental right well have.

No, the most fundamental right we have is to life. Voting is a privilege granted by law, self defense (via bearing arms) is a right recognized by the constitution. Don't fall into the progressive fallacy that "common sense" gun laws offer protection from gun crime or gun accidents. All they do is impede gun ownership.

23 posted on 10/20/2011 6:41:21 AM PDT by conservonator
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To: jrd
does my training in the Army count?

I am not sure about the particular law but in many places, no. And with good reason because many of the critical bits of concealed carry have to do with when it is ok to draw and shoot. Army training does not cover muggers.
24 posted on 10/20/2011 7:13:02 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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Not kidding. Army training is basically, if he’s the enemy, shoot his @ss and includes terms like insurance holes as you move past his body.


25 posted on 10/20/2011 8:46:52 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: conservonator
They impede gun ownership for the law abiding ...
26 posted on 10/20/2011 8:59:43 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: conservonator

I suppose you think they should also be sold in convenience stores like slurpies, next to the rocket launchers. no waiting period, no background check, nothing.
“here is your gun sir,” the clerk says to the man in the white jacket with extra long sleeves who calls himself napoleon.
don’t you tgink a few laws make a little sense?

You do know that at least as far back as the wild days, you couldn’t carry inside of town?


27 posted on 10/20/2011 9:17:45 AM PDT by LevinFan
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(You do know that at least as far back as the wild days, you couldn’t carry inside of town?)

Where did you learn that from, Hollywood?

28 posted on 10/20/2011 9:26:26 AM PDT by Principle Over Politics (All rights are not created equal.)
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To: Principle Over Politics

No, history. Hollywood shows everyone packing. Being caught with a gun in many town got you fined. That’s what the OK Corral was about. The cowboys were carrying in town and the Eurps went to take the guns.

Don’t get me wrong, im for CC, but these people insisting on no training make gun owners look nuts and get innocent people killed.


29 posted on 10/20/2011 10:08:32 AM PDT by LevinFan
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I suppose you think they should also be sold in convenience stores like slurpies, next to the rocket launchers. no waiting period, no background check, nothing. “here is your gun sir,” the clerk says to the man in the white jacket with extra long sleeves who calls himself napoleon. don’t you tgink a few laws make a little sense?

I have no problem with easing gun sales laws. Tell me, how have our current laws kept you safer than you were 80 years ago? Your nut in a straight jacket example is just the sort of hyperbole that progressives use to cow people into accepting their version of "safety" over liberty. Lets try this, if your insane you should be institutionalized, for your sake and everyone else. There goes your straw-man in a straight jacket.

I have lived with and around firearms my entire life, I have a permit to carry and I served in the Military and I can tell you with confidence that a two hour training course taught by a marginal competent instructor (which has been my experience) offers little in the way of improving competency and safety.

As far as the "wild days" what's your point? Maybe you missed This. How did those tough gun control laws work out for in Tombstone then how are they working in Chicago and D.C. today?

I fear laws far more than I fear guns.

30 posted on 10/20/2011 10:35:26 AM PDT by conservonator
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Sorry, but a responsible person knows to get training if they need it. Those people that are careless, will get their asses handed to them. What did people do in old western times? They were taught at a young age by their father, is what I’m guessing. If they weren’t then they were responsible enough to learn about them. As Harry Callahan said:
“A man has got to know his limitations”


31 posted on 10/20/2011 11:40:04 AM PDT by GunPkrBkr (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: jrd; All

“does my training in the Army count?”

I would say that it does.

From the law:

2. Documentation that the individual participated in organized shooting
competitions or completed military, law enforcement, or security training that gave
the individual experience with firearms that is substantially equivalent to a course
or program under subd. 1.

I would expectg that a DD214 would be sufficient, as a hunting safety course is deemed to be sufficient.


32 posted on 10/20/2011 6:16:00 PM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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Pennsylvania has easy concealed carry (okay, it’s not Vermont, but it’s about as close as you can get): Walk into a sheriff’s office with about $25 plus proof of residency in your county and walk out in 20 minutes or so with your CC license, good for 5 years. No “gun training”, no reason for seeking a license other than self defense, no nonsense - - heck you don’t even need to own a gun. I urge all Pennsylvanians to go get their CC licenses as soon as possible. The sheriff’s office in Bucks County (at the Doylestown Courthouse) is very efficient and the folks there are courteous and professional. I’ve had my CC license for at least 20 years.


33 posted on 10/20/2011 6:28:47 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: LevinFan
I suppose you think they should also be sold in convenience stores like slurpies, next to the rocket launchers. no waiting period, no background check, nothing.

Ref: History of the United States 1776-1968.

34 posted on 10/21/2011 4:25:30 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: jrd
does my training in the Army count?

In WI, yes.

35 posted on 10/22/2011 11:00:14 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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