JustiaGate

The Examiner ^ | 10-20-2011 | Dianna Cotter

[Danae]

Someone was incredibly busy in June 2008 working on an illegal front invisible to the public; searching and altering Supreme Court Cases published at Justia.com which cite the only case in American history - Minor v. Happersett (1875) - to directly construe Article 2 Section 1's natural-born citizen clause in determining a citizenship issue as part of its holding and precedent.  In this unanimous decision, the Supreme Court defined a "native or natural-born citizen" as a person born in the US to parents who were citizens; a definition which excludes from eligibility both Barack Obama and John McCain. 

In June 2008 no one was discussing Minor v. Happersett 88 US 162 (1875) with regard to Obama. In fact, those who were discussing the then Senator’s citizenship status had focused instead on his birth in Hawaii in a attempt to prove the future president was not born in the United States despite publication of the Senator’s short form computer generated Birth Certificate. It would not be until October of 2008 that Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility would be questioned as to his status as a dual citizen at the time of his birth.

[daisy mae for the usa]

Bitt: thanks for ping!

Danae: Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention and the hard work you put into writing it. Yes, it must go viral. I understand the science on something going viral is to send the info. you want to go viral to those individuals who have large email lists and who constantly forward things. If FReepers knew such people and quickly acted...

Bluecat6: post 94 Thank you for properly aligning the point. It is important to see all things in their proper perspective.

Brityank: post 140 Actually, this is good, not bad. Those Republicans who might be willing to speak up, now have a way to do so.

[allmendream]

People usually want to move on without discussing their mistakes.

The Constitution doesn't mention, let alone define, the term you said it differentiated from natural born citizen.

I would pass it off as an ignorant mistake if it were not incumbent upon birhters to invent a third category of US citizen from the two mentioned in the Constitution.

[editor-surveyor]

I’d never advise anyone to pay attention to your agitprop.

[edge919]

The Constution contains the phrase "ourselves and our posterity." It's very similar to a phrase that is used in the Constitutions/Charters of the original states/colonies, where it mentions "us, our heirs and successors" and their children shall be natural-born subjects OR free denizens.

Also, Wee do for Us, our Heires, and Successors, declare by these Presents, that all and every the Persons, beinge our Subjects, which shall goe and inhabitt within the said Collony and Plantation, and every of their Children and Posterity, which shall happen to be born within the Limitts thereof, shall have and enjoy all Liberties, and ffranchizes, and Immunities of free Denizens and naturall Subjects within any of our other Dominions, to all Intents and Purposes, as if they had been abidinge and born within this our Kingdome of England, or any other our Dominions.

Notice how it says that every person being a subject which shall inhabit the colony and each of their children born with the limits shall enjoy all the liberties of free Denizens and natural subjects. This seems to be recognizing two different categories of persons at birth. The so-called "third category" of citizenship is created by the 14th amendment, where it recognizes persons born in the country, subject to the jurisdiction. IOW, it's now for people born there, not just those who are born of ourselves and our posterity.

[GregNH]

So in June of 2008 references to NBC were being scrubbed and a COLB was being created for release? Hmmmm

[allmendream]

Interesting that YOU say and even emphasize “OR” but the section you quote from Colonial charter says “and”.

“free Denizens and naturall Subjects”.

As is pointed out by those who claim KWArk doesn't say what it says - subjects are not citizens. ;)

The 14th Amendment doesn't invent a third category - there is not third category - before the 14th and after one was either born a citizen with natural allegiance or one needed to be “naturalized”.

[Danae]

A hospital as US Territory.... um ok.

The point is we should not have to even ask these questions. It was meant to be cut and dried. If we have to try and squeeze something, or stretch it to make it fit then there is a problem!!

The simple fact is, McCain was born in Colon Panama, outside the canal zone, off base. I dont think the canal zone was American territory legally speaking, I would have to research that (but it is irrelevant anyway... that being said, I would have campaigned AGAINST McCain had I known about this in 08 - and NO that doesn't mean I would have voted for Obama, I would have gone 3rd party and that IS NOT a vote for Obama). The base was American territory. He wasn't born on base. He is a citizen, but he isn't a Natural Born one. The founders intent was to eliminate ANY potential candidate with ANY uncertanty about their citizenship. McCain has some uncertanty about his. Sorry, but in survivor terms, that votes him off the island.

We wondered extensively why McCain didn't nail Obama on the fact he was an illegal candidate. He never had the LEGAL status to even run for the office!!! McCain didn't call him on it because he had similar problems of his own! That is the problem when you start down the slippery slope of "Making exceptions"... where do you stop drawing the line? Exactly.

Now either we stand on principles when it comes to the Constitution and major laws like Minor v. Happersett, or we don't. Supporting the constitution means that sometimes it doesn't go in your political direction. But damnit, some things are MORE important than politics, and this is one of them. It isn't nice or pretty and it doesn't give me a warm happy feeling. It is what it is.

Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio BOTH are not Natural Born Citizens. I suspect Rubio is well aware of it, because he refuses to seek out such a position. It means he and Jindal BOTH cannot ever run for POTUS or Veep, and I will campaign against both men on that basis. They are great conservatives and I love them both, but they aren't legally qualified to run for POTUS. I have blasted Obama for the fact he isn't an NBC, I can't go and turn myself into a hypocrite for the sake ofpolitical expediency. Neither should ANYONE else.

[Danae]

Yes. But the Short Form was already in the public arena at “Fight the smears” and Fact check.

The scrubbing of Minor took place before Obama got the Nimination, but after it was apparent he was gonna win it.

[Danae]

:)

There are AWESOME people at FReep are there not??

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Natural born or naturalized - the Constitution doesn’t mention any third category of citizen.” <<

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I know that you know that your statement is deceptive.

The 14th ammendment created the third classification, but failed to give it a name. The SCOTUS gave it a name in the WKA decision: “Native Born.”

[Danae]

Thanks Daisy!

I know it sounds odd, but I really don’t have that long a list. And I hate promoting myself to friends and family and the parents group at my kids school... They have to deal with me in real life... thats bad enough LOL

Thank you for sending it to whom ever you have. This isn’t about me. I am just a witness and a reporter. I helped some, but the real recognition should go to Leo Donofrio. He is one of the good guys fighting against what I see as pure evil. He gets discouraged, and I can see why... to us it feels very much like we are spitting into the teeth of a hurricane. But as I said to him, we can’t give up, because then evil wins by default. That really isn’t an option. So the flack we take on a personal level in real life is worth it in the end. And yes, there are some repercussions in real life. I have gotten off easy so far. (Knocks on wood and throws salt over shoulder, rubs lucky coin and thanks God for his protection and grace).

[editor-surveyor]

>> “The scrubbing of Minor took place before Obama got the Nimination, but after it was apparent he was gonna win it.” <<

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Proving that Obama’s people were well aware that he was not elligible before he was nominated.

[Danae]

Thank you!

[Semper911]

I made a mistake and in my reply (the one you have failed to grasp) I restated what I meant.

But forget all that. Give me your definition of Natural Born Citizen. Then I’ll know if we have something to argue about.

[Danae]

To be honest, this is above and beyond party politics. I just want to Constitutionally qualified candidates. Those persons are BOUND by the constitution. Obama is NOT bound by the constitution becaue he is breaking it by even being there. THAT is why I am so passionate about this.

I don’t like Hillary, don’t get me wrong, I can’t stand the woman. But she would be BETTER than Obama by a long shot. She is BOUND by the constitution, and that limits her. Barry IS NOT and that means he can push ANYTHING constitutional or not (ahem.. Obamacare) on us and we are just sitting ducks because of it.

These things do matter.

[TheOldLady]

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[Danae]

Thank you Bellflower.

I was hoping that others would see the importance of this, pick up the ball and run with it. Leo is a little discouraged today. I can understand why. It was SO MUCH work. We are talking about 16-18 hours a day for 6 days or so for him. It is so time consuming to connect these dots. Then to record them, put them in order, give them context. Its amazing really. The man is brilliant.

We can’t let this slide. I love this nation, and I am so sick to death of what these people are doing to it.

[Danae]

Yes indeed.

This did not happen at Justia by accident. Not even slightly.

[allmendream]

U.S. law should always be a reflection of our best understanding of natural law.

If someone is born a citizen under U.S. law, in recognition of the natural allegiance they have due to conditions of birth, they are a natural born citizen.

Of U.S. citizens, one is either a natural born citizen or one must be “naturalized” into that state of allegiance.

There is no third category.

Like most things people make up, they cannot seem to agree - that is why birthers tend to be all over the map as far as what this third category is.

[Danae]

Well, first, I am a Mam... lol a 42 year old one at that lol

Second, these corrupt bastards don’t need my help for plausable deniablity. There is NONE for Obama anyway. He KNOWS he was never an NBC, he just doesn’t give a $hit. He doesn’t give a crap about the constitution. He never did. He set it up so he could run, and he had the help of lots of progressive liberals who also hate the constitution and the nation.

Bureaucrats don’t have to pay for legal services, they are ALL free to them. Hellfire any member of congress can actually USE the Supreme Court Library, something us peons can’t do.

No, this was directed at the PUBLIC. The 300 million of us who could ahve changed the outcome by knowing that the cretin was an illegal candidate. The press was in his pocket petting the mouse so to speak (and to be somewhat vulgar, but then I find the press’s love affair with the man to be vulgar to begin with), so they were NOT going to tell the truth either.

So between an influential legal resource, barry himself and his team, the Press, and a whole bunch of idiots in love with “hope and Change” America in general got totally screwed.

We can’t undo the past, but MAYBE we can eliminate the possiblity of four more years of an illegal presidency. Personally I would ilke to see the oversized arrogant rat leave office in complete disgrace. But then I am a bit bent out of shape at what he has done.