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Civil Disobedience in Greece Grows Over Government's Austerity Measures
AP/Fox News ^ | 10/28/11

Posted on 10/28/2011 10:06:48 AM PDT by markomalley

Greeks have launched a wave of civil disobedience against the embattled government's austerity measures designed to appease international creditors, which provided rescue loans to the country.

The latest example of rebellion is the Athens municipality of Nea Ionia, where authorities are urging people not to pay a much reviled new property tax being charged through electricity bills.

"Our constituents can't pay, they don't have the ability to," Nea Ionia mayor Iraklis Gotsis said. "We consider the new tax to be illegal. But in essence, the truth is our people just can't pay."

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: austerity; debt; greece; greek

1 posted on 10/28/2011 10:06:49 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

this attempt to keep Greece in line to keep the Euro together is the most futile thing I’ve ever seen


2 posted on 10/28/2011 10:07:54 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: markomalley

If a 50% haircut doesn’t do it for the Greeks, then the entire country needs to go “skinhead.”


3 posted on 10/28/2011 10:16:43 AM PDT by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: markomalley
The ship is going down and instead of patching up the holes, they want a bigger buffet to choose from - last meal more important than survival.

Of course, they have been programmed as Socialists and cannot comprehend that they might actually be left out in the cold...

4 posted on 10/28/2011 10:20:48 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: markomalley
The chances of a coup are rising. If there is enough civil unrest, there will be military action and Merkel and Sarkozy will be “shocked.”
5 posted on 10/28/2011 10:21:26 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: ken5050

Greeks want the milk to flow as in the past....they were indeed a blight on the Euro from the get go and the leadership knew this would come for concerns Greeks would not pull their own weight. It’s simply playing out as was expected. Same with Spain and Italy....they knew these nations would be a risk...and they are certainly playing out as predicted.


6 posted on 10/28/2011 10:22:50 AM PDT by caww
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To: Truth29
The chances of a coup are rising. If there is enough civil unrest, there will be military action and Merkel and Sarkozy will be “shocked.”

I wonder who will be responsible for sending "peace keeping" troops if that does happen.

7 posted on 10/28/2011 10:26:54 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Compare "Delay is preferable to error" - Thomas Jefferson // "Pass this bill now!" - Barack Obama)
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To: markomalley

Yesterday’s news that they had come to an agreement was comical. It was like a car dealership and customer dealing on a new car. The dealer is charging $50,000 and the customer is willing to pay $10,000. Neither has moved in price, BUT WE CAN ANNOUNCE A DECISION: They’ve decided on a color.

Oops, but the guy goes back home to Greece and the wife doesn’t like the color, so we have rioting.

Nothing was accomplished. It was rope a dope for the press.


8 posted on 10/28/2011 10:28:41 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Blue helmeted jackwagons paid for by US taxpayers.


9 posted on 10/28/2011 10:31:03 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: markomalley
We consider the new tax to be illegal. But in essence, the truth is our people just can't pay

Deduct it from their government paychecks before they receive it. Problem solved.

Seriously, the rest of the world just absorbed $8,863 per living soul in Greece. We'd like to stop hearing about how you can't afford things. Skip that bottle of wine and maybe, just maybe, start working for a living.

10 posted on 10/28/2011 10:32:00 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: markomalley

The end result of “Gimme gimme gimme and make someone else pay for it.” The people with their hands out go wild when you tell them there’s no money left. I’d say this was how all Ponzi schemes end but the people left holding the bag in Ponzi schemes are true victims. These leeches are just a mob legally stealing from the productive and industrious segment of society. If they can’t do it legally, now they’ll start a civil war and literally take what they want until the whole country is back in the stone age.


11 posted on 10/28/2011 10:41:27 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Truth29
The chances of a coup are rising. If there is enough civil unrest, there will be military action and Merkel and Sarkozy will be “shocked.”

Amazing how many people are totally unaware of the history of Argentina (even though they make award-winning musicals about it)
12 posted on 10/28/2011 10:55:42 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: markomalley

I thought this shiite was all settled yesterday....heh heh


13 posted on 10/28/2011 11:02:47 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Elections have consequences....)
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To: markomalley

Do they do anything else beside protest over there?


14 posted on 10/28/2011 11:06:25 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: KarlInOhio

“I wonder who will be responsible for sending “peace keeping” troops if that does happen.”

Turkey and Bulgaria.


15 posted on 10/28/2011 11:10:36 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (I am a Cainiac)
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16 posted on 10/28/2011 11:13:38 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: markomalley
"Groups of lawyers, trade unions and campaigners have also tried to derail government efforts to collect new taxes, or to suspend tens of thousands of civil servants on partial pay."

Government spending must be drastically cut.


17 posted on 10/28/2011 11:14:11 AM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: markomalley
Wait! I'm confused here. Yesterday, it was announced that a decision was made that save Greece and the Euro. Stock Markets around the world skyrocketed, children were singing, and I swear I saw a Unicorn!

Now you're saying that there may still be problems???

18 posted on 10/28/2011 11:15:04 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Yes. There’s a problem coming our way. We in the US have a debt that is now over 100% of GDP. Not good news for the dollar in the near future.


19 posted on 10/28/2011 11:24:27 AM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop

A full 40% of the Greek population is on the Gov’t payroll.

The US State of Ohio is about the same physical size of Greece - and Ohio has a large GDP and on only 15% of the residents of Ohio are on the Gov’t payroll.

They are doomed. Capital has been flying out of the country and out of the banks.


20 posted on 10/28/2011 11:33:43 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: markomalley; All

This is the result of people getting used to a situation for 50 years. Little by little. The way they live is normal from their point of view.

They were simply never told, for the whole 50 years, that the nation was not really supporting itself. It was a scheme that was destined to fail in the long run, but very few understood that or were even aware of it.

Government borrowing made it possible. The “enabler”, therefore, was the buyers of Greek sovereign debt.

Italy is on the same path; as are most of the other European nations and the USA.

When the Greek situation pops into my mind, I immediately forget about it and instead look at the United States that I live in and how it is slowly heading into exactly the same situation.

Greece has a mote in it’s eye and America has a beam in it’s eye.

We need to put the crackpipe of U.S. Treasury debt securities down. Pay off the debt and then swear off borrowing for good, i.e., Constitutionally.

It’s going to take quite a President, bunch of Congressmen and State Legislatures to get that done.

IMHO...


21 posted on 10/28/2011 11:43:31 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We need to fix things ourselves)
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To: ASOC
only 15% of the residents of Ohio are on the Gov’t payroll.

Give it time. The US is catching up fast. Only a matter of time before our professional leeches start rioting because the "rich" have been fully tapped out.

22 posted on 10/28/2011 11:44:07 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: familyop

The debt OBLIGATION (not just what the current debt is)

is 20 times the total available money supply.

Sleep well!


23 posted on 10/28/2011 11:45:49 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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24 posted on 10/28/2011 12:07:26 PM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: markomalley
The leader in Greece is a hard-line socialist. In some ways communist.

I expect he will foment these unrests to his dying breath to maintain power.

25 posted on 10/28/2011 12:19:56 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: trebb; All

This is how the barbarians beat rome.

Better the barbarian you don’t know than the tax collector you do know.

There is no ecconomy in Athens.

Crony capitalism has KILLED the greek ship yards. The ship owners do not flag their ships in Greece. they do not service their ships in greece.

the ONLY way to save the Greek ecconomy and the euro is to unlease the power of free enterprise.

You can’t even have a private university in Greece.

Don’t forget this ecconomy is tiny compared to any state of the USA. (it is probably smaller than RI)


27 posted on 10/28/2011 3:56:51 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ASOC

20% is on the government payroll.

Cramer was on CNBC praising the deal so you know it was going to fail.

After the first round of austerity 30% of athens businesses on a main street shut down.

You can’t tax into prosperity.

You have to unlease free enterprise.

Someone at the IMF should be told about October 28th.

It is a national holiday. The Greeks were sent a message from the axis powers to surrender immediatly as they were outgunned and out numbered. General Venizelos sent a one word reply. “no.”

Shortly after the out gunned and outnumbered Greeks beat back the itallian army of il duche and forced the german army to divert to back up the itallians. The German pilots called the greeks those crazy bastards who would stand their ground and shoot back at german dive bombers with rifles and pistols.

So happy “oxi day” (for those in rio linda oxi means no in Greek)

This was to be expected and will spread. Note in the article the officials are telling the people not to pay. What is the EU going to do? send in the blue helmets?


28 posted on 10/28/2011 4:14:16 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Siena Dreaming

ironically they call him the “Amerikanaki” or little american. (educated raised usa)


29 posted on 10/28/2011 4:16:13 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: MrB

It is time to dump euros.

I suspect that is what happened on wednesday with the all is well announcement. This was to give the big boys time to bail on the euro and screw the smaller fish.


30 posted on 10/28/2011 4:19:07 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

increasing taxes and increasing regulations to oppressive levels has never saved a single government.

China is pumping money into the EU to keep a counter to the dollar.


31 posted on 10/28/2011 4:48:28 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: All

is there such a thing as a Tax Slave?

it seems the EU is pushing slavery via taxation.

The income of a working in Greece is 450-500 euros A MONTH.

imagine if that was dollars and monthly wages.

The reforms that are needed, capitalism, are an anathama to the Germans control and the french ego of unified europe. At some point a no confidence vote will happen in parliament and that, absent vote fraud, will lead to unilateral action. They may not default but the payments will be haircut and reduced.


32 posted on 10/28/2011 5:17:10 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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