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Social Security Now Officially in the Red
Washington Post ^ | October 29, 2011 | Lisa Montgomery

Posted on 10/30/2011 4:58:03 AM PDT by Stajack

Now, Social Security is sucking money out of the Treasury. This year, it will add a projected $46 billion to the nation’s budget problems, according to projections by system trustees. Replacing cash lost to a one-year payroll tax holiday will require an additional $105 billion. If the payroll tax break is expanded next year, as President Obama has proposed, Social Security will need an extra $267 billion to pay promised benefits.

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To: muawiyah
Alas, the US government borrowed all the funds and wasted them on EPA, Labor Department, Education Department, loans to bankrupt solar power companies, building more federal buildings, community development block grants, foreign aid,
I couldn't agree more. If nothing else, at least SS gets paid to (mostly) Americans who earned it and paid for it.
81 posted on 10/30/2011 7:22:23 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: justlurking

Agree mostly but the money would have to been invested in something that could have been traded for foreign goods like gold or foreign bonds otherwise it all ends up being too few young Americans giving to many elderly Americans their money.


82 posted on 10/30/2011 7:24:02 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

Nearly two months ago, while STILL a candidate for the Republican nomination for President, Michigan Congressman Thaddeus McCotter introduced the SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY ACT (HR 2889)at a conference held at the Heritage Foundation. The plan SAVES Social Security WITHOUT raising the payroll tax, WITHOUT raising the retirement age, WITHOUT reducing benefits, and WITHOUT privatizing the system. The plan, formulated by Cong. McCotter and Peter J. Ferrara, was scored by the Social Security actuary, who stated that it would save the Government $8.3 trillion over the next three decades, the largest reduction of government spending in the history of government.

The reaction? NONE! A total media blackout which not only kept the public in the dark regarding the plan, but forced McCotter to withdraw his candidacy.

Please do some research on HR 2889 and explain to me why it was and is being ignored by the media.


83 posted on 10/30/2011 7:27:34 AM PDT by cumbo78
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To: Dengar01
The biggest problem is how do you tell someone who has paid into this system (against their will) that they don't get paid?
That hasn't happened and I doubt it ever will.
The SS program may be phased out, or modified, but refunds and/or credits for the new system will ease the transition.
I also don't like the idea of any retirement program being mandatory, but look at how many still complain that their "meager" monthly SS check is all they have in life.
Well, if you worked your entire life and that's all you have to show for it - too damned bad.
84 posted on 10/30/2011 7:30:11 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: redgolum
The Ponzi scheme will collapse. No one wants to call it that, but it is. Expect to hear howls of rage as the retired folks say “I want my money!”

I'm not a Rick Perry fan, but he was right on point with respect to Social Security being a Ponzi scheme. But unlike most Ponzi schemes, this one is being held up by the Feds AND it has a powerful constituency behind it, so it remains to be seen if it will collapse of its own weight.

85 posted on 10/30/2011 7:32:00 AM PDT by Stajack
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi
Sunday morning! Wake up, get some coffee, scan the headlines.... and find a FR post about SS that’s already had 74 replies in two hours.

Top of the morning to you.

86 posted on 10/30/2011 7:33:51 AM PDT by Stajack
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To: oh8eleven

It’s going broke now because of the payroll tax cuts.

With 50 million seniors and 60 million total, it’s staying broke because of the increased seniors. There doesn’t have to be any commingling of funds to make SS broke. It’s broke on it’s own.


87 posted on 10/30/2011 7:35:55 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: oh8eleven
Well, if you worked your entire life and that's all you have to show for it - too damned bad.

Bingo!!! Sadly, many of my customers at my store have been laid off and are in their 40s. And not one of them has savings. I was stunned.

It is amazing the mentality people in this country have that everything will be rosy and they don't need a back up plan.

Any historian or economist can tell you the economy is cyclical. Recessions / Depressions occur usually on a 20 year basis.

But I don't understand why so many think they don't need to have savings! I've been struck by deaths in the family and many other unforeseen events requiring money. I just don't understand how people don't save money, life isn't going to be a perfect journey that is predictable. There will always be bumps in the road and you never know when they will occur.

88 posted on 10/30/2011 7:40:21 AM PDT by Dengar01 (Dengar01 - "Heartless" since 1983!!!)
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To: Stajack
Remember when Hurricane Katrina was barrelling down on New Orleans, and some people got the hell out of there while others waited for the government or somebody to come rescue them!

Let's just say that I haven't depended on Social Security for my...well...for anything.

(And I'm not trusting in a government rescue!)

(Is anybody stupid enough to think that those thugs in Washington are looking out for anybody's interests but their own?) (Obviously millions are. They're called Democrats.)

("Don't trust yo' soul to no backwoods country lawyer," but if you have to make a choice it would be a better bet than a slick Washington politician!)

89 posted on 10/30/2011 7:45:21 AM PDT by Savage Beast (History is not just cruel. It is witty. -Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Stajack; DuncanWaring; Dengar01

Thanks


90 posted on 10/30/2011 7:51:12 AM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: cumbo78

Minute 1:13: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acGKor6OFxQ

He reduces spending in other areas to pay for SS. So to tide the SS fund until “Fifty year olds” start drawing from their own “personal accounts” he pays for the SS deficit out of the general fund.


91 posted on 10/30/2011 7:52:57 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: EGPWS; WesternPacific; Stajack
Obama has proposed, Social Security will need an extra $267 billion to pay promised benefits.
This will be offset, significantly, by the large number of retirees dying earlier then expected due to Obamacare and the lack of proper medical care and services.
Those idiots in Washington are like drug addicts feeding on more and more for the same high to the point that they will steal and kill to get their fix.


I think you, my fine fellow FReepers, are on the same page.

Sarah Palin's warning about "death panels" doesn't look so goofy now, does it? ;)
92 posted on 10/30/2011 7:57:06 AM PDT by mkjessup (Is Herman Cain the best conservative candidate? If you say "no", then tell me who IS!!)
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To: mkjessup
Sarah Palin's warning about "death panels" doesn't look so goofy now, does it? ;)

It never EVER did!

93 posted on 10/30/2011 8:03:47 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Dengar01

Rock on Dengar01, good for you.


94 posted on 10/30/2011 8:04:45 AM PDT by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you eTvery day. Thank you!)
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To: Stajack

Social Security will need an extra $267 billion to pay promised benefits?

Keep Michelle at home. That should do it.


95 posted on 10/30/2011 8:05:15 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (They vote twice, we'll vote three times. AND DONATE TO FR MORE!)
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To: justlurking

Agree - I could see these clowns investing the SS funds in FAIL opportunities, if not outright scams like Solyndra, et al.


96 posted on 10/30/2011 8:24:19 AM PDT by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: ronnie raygun
A rat invention solely for the rats enjoyment...

Yep.

For all the years SS was bringing in all that extra cash the politicians saw those dollars and used them to buy votes (what's new?). There are so many things paid out under SS that has nothing to do with retirement that it makes me sick.

I do not know the numbers but I wonder how solvent SS would be if the crooks in Congress did not spend any of the SS money, throughout history, except to pay out for retirees?

97 posted on 10/30/2011 8:26:06 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Dengar01
But I don't understand ...
I just don't understand how people ...

LOL ... you sound just like me. I just don't understand either - it's not rocket science.
In the larger view, I still don't understand how Americans can't see what the commie-lib "progressives" have done to America in the last 50 years, yet still vote for them.
There's no better example than "black america." An entire race self destructing before their own eyes and by their own actions. Just incredible.
98 posted on 10/30/2011 8:28:32 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Dengar01

With the monetary policy we’ve had during the past decade, people are literally punished for saving. Interest rates are next to nothing, and money sitting in an account at the bank is literally eaten away by inflation and higher costs of living. There would be much more saving if people were rewarded for forming capital.

Couple the above with lower to stagnant wages, and you have some real problems....


99 posted on 10/30/2011 8:32:51 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Reagan69
Next up... your 401k’s will be needed to fund SS.

Wait and see.

..and brought to you by the same people that said privatization wouldn't work. That should be the talking point; they said private accounts don't work so therefore they should NOT be used to fix Social Security.

10 years ago an idea was put forth to help alleviate this day, and who stopped it, demagogued it? That's right, the stupid Democrats--just like another poster mentioned it should be DEMOCRATS, and DEMOCRATS only that should pay for this.

Private accounts don't work, remember that Democrats.

100 posted on 10/30/2011 8:35:08 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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