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Common Threads between Islam and Mormonism
Townhall.com ^ | October 30, 2011 | Michael Youseff, The Church of The Apostles.

Posted on 10/30/2011 4:05:59 PM PDT by Kaslin

A number of years ago, I was on Larry King Live and was asked point-blank if I had a problem with the appointments of Justices Roberts and Alito (both are Roman Catholics). My answer was very clear that I did not, as long as they shared my own conviction of upholding the Constitution — not trying to rewrite it — and as long as they were committed to the Biblical values of the Founding Fathers. I was certain that both men were.

Many people today are quoting a statement reputedly made by Martin Luther, the great reformer, that he “would rather be ruled by a competent Turk (a Muslim) than an incompetent Christian.” First of all, there is no evidence whatsoever that Martin Luther ever said these words. But even if he did say them, it would have been a gross exaggeration used to make a point. He never lived under a Muslim ruler and did not know what that would be like. But I did. And I can tell you, there is no such thing as choosing between Muslim and non-Muslim leaders under Islam.

pastedGraphic.pdf In America, we have the great privilege of choosing candidates based on our core values, rather than how they identify with our theological point of view.

In looking at some of the candidates for the 2012 election, one cannot help but notice the controversies that have arisen regarding the Mormon religion. As I considered Luther’s quote and the concerns regarding electing a Mormon president, I noticed some peculiar similarities between the Mormon faith and Islam as they relate to orthodox Christianity.

It's hard to believe that two religions that are worlds apart geographically have so many things in common. Here are some examples:

1. Both believe that Christianity was corrupt and incomplete until their respective founders came on the scene. For Islam, it was Muhammad; for Mormons, it was Joseph Smith.

2. They both have their own book of “sacred scripture.” While both tip their hats to the Bible, each see God’s Word as insufficient by itself. Both Islam and Mormonism use many biblical themes, narratives and personalities. But the Qur’an draws heavily from the apocryphal books rather than the authoritative cannon of the Bible.

3. In both cases, Islam and Mormonism see their religion as complete within itself. Above all, both repudiate Biblical Christianity and identify orthodox Christianity as a false faith.

4. Both religions reject the doctrine of the Trinity. The Mormon’s concept of god includes many gods, not just one. Muslims view god as one, but as an aloof, remote god who could never become a man or relate to humanity. Allah can have mercy if he wants to, but he is also a cunning god.

5. Both religions reject the Bible as the sole and sufficient authority of faith. For Mormons, the Book of Mormon and other writings of the Latter Day Saints represent God’s final revelation. For Muslims, the Qur’an and the Sunna (traditions of Muhammad) constitute God’s final authoritative word.

6. They both reject the Biblical teaching of original sin. Muslims believe Adam did not become completely depraved after disobeying God; he merely slipped but quickly recovered. Therefore to Muslims, humanity does not need redemption. Salvation in Islam is very uncertain, even when keeping the Five Tenants of Islam; although some teach that jihad will help in that quest for salvation. Mormons believe that they are not condemned by what many call “original sin.” In other words, they are not accountable for Adam’s transgression in the Garden of Eden.

Here are two questions Christians must ask when considering political candidates:

First, has the candidate been consistent in his/her political and moral values, or is he/she pandering? Second, has the candidate upheld their philosophical convictions throughout their public and private life, or did they change their political convictions to suit their audience?

All believers need to be good stewards and spend time in deep prayer before exercising their right to vote. God will give us wisdom so that we will not be persuaded by the slickest and the cleverest. We can trust Him to help us choose those who have proven core values.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; islam; mormon; mormonislam; mormonism
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1 posted on 10/30/2011 4:06:01 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

One thing NOT in common...the LDS probably won’t issue a decree to have you slain or beheaded.


2 posted on 10/30/2011 4:10:35 PM PDT by Imnidiot (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: Kaslin

This crawp is getting old.


3 posted on 10/30/2011 4:10:47 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Kaslin

Youseff


4 posted on 10/30/2011 4:11:40 PM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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To: Kaslin

Uh oh, now you’ve done it. Flame war will commence in 5 . . . 4 . . . . 3 . . . 2 . . .


5 posted on 10/30/2011 4:13:42 PM PDT by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Kaslin

This is stupid.


6 posted on 10/30/2011 4:16:38 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Agree.


7 posted on 10/30/2011 4:19:40 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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8 posted on 10/30/2011 4:20:28 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Imnidiot
Not necessarily.

When I was working for Utah Power and Light in Utah I asked a RM and Mormon in good standing if his Bishop told him to kill me would he do it.

He said that is a hypothetical question and then said yes.

That was when I decided to move out of Utah.

9 posted on 10/30/2011 4:20:56 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Agree.


10 posted on 10/30/2011 4:22:06 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: Kaslin
1. Both believe that Christianity was corrupt and incomplete until their respective founders came on the scene. For Islam, it was Muhammad; for Mormons, it was Joseph Smith.

And for Protestants, it was Martin Luther.

Glaring-omission alert.

11 posted on 10/30/2011 4:24:57 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: cruise_missile
I asked a RM and Mormon in good standing if his Bishop told him to kill me would he do it.

Maybe it was just YOU. Heck, I don't even know you, BUT...teehee

12 posted on 10/30/2011 4:27:34 PM PDT by bigheadfred (wogga wogga)
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To: cruise_missile

Smart move! Please expound further on your experience living in a Mormon state. People refuse to believe the truth at their own peril, do they not?


13 posted on 10/30/2011 4:28:13 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( I like Herman Cain)
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To: Kaslin
I"m not a Mormon and avoid the Mormon bashing threads but this is really idiotic,whats next advocating that we send LDS members to the showers ?

Take this bigoted crap over to Dummies Unlimited

14 posted on 10/30/2011 4:28:49 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: the invisib1e hand

And for catholics its the many popes.

Its a strawman argument meant to incite. ANY religion can be corrupted, but only one major one was started by a lying murdering thief and thats Islam.


15 posted on 10/30/2011 4:29:29 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cruise_missile

Go to Utah and insult the LDS, then go to Saudi Arabia and insult their pig loving prophet.

Which would would you be more likely to survive?


16 posted on 10/30/2011 4:30:46 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kaslin

I have this private theory that there is no difference between darkness and light.

After all, you never see them both in the same place, do you? It’s like Michael Moore and the Martian moon Phobos. You see one, but not the other. Curious, isn’t it?

Think about it; that’s all I’m sayin’.


17 posted on 10/30/2011 4:31:33 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Dick Cheney - "I was born an American; a blessing surely among life's greatest.")
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To: Kaslin

what a load of crap

now go back and find how similar islam is to the bible believing Christians.


18 posted on 10/30/2011 4:34:40 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Kaslin
I signed into the News/Activism Forum, but I windup in the Religious Forum?

WTF is going on?

19 posted on 10/30/2011 4:36:10 PM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Martin Luther did not say the religion was corrupt and certainly not that it was incomplete, just the people involved and some of the man-created traditions were corrupt.

Glaring strawman alert.

20 posted on 10/30/2011 4:36:29 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Kaslin
Thanks Kaslin, I just won $25 today because I predicted that we would see crackpot articles like the one you posted today on this site. I bet that before the end of the year we would see threads comparing Mormonism to Islam on Free Republic. He said we wouldn't and bet me $25 that it wouldn't happen. I knew a crackpot would post this so I'm a little richer today than I was before. Thanks again.
21 posted on 10/30/2011 4:39:33 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Charlespg

Exposing a cult is not bigoted. Do yourself a favor, and study up on a subject before you talk about it. In fact go ahead and read the Book of Mormon. Google it! You have no idea!


22 posted on 10/30/2011 4:41:01 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( I like Herman Cain)
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To: Kaslin

23 posted on 10/30/2011 4:43:01 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Newt. The Grownup in the Room.)
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To: Dagnabitt

careful the whackjobs will jump into this thread and post their talking points


24 posted on 10/30/2011 4:45:23 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kaslin

Missed the big one - both were founded by individuals with a predilection for multiple wives, and both (mirabile dictu) were belief systems that sanctioned polygamy (at least, in the case of Mormonism, in its original form).


25 posted on 10/30/2011 4:47:09 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: Kaslin

I believe it is okay in both religions to give a falsitude.


26 posted on 10/30/2011 4:50:30 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Where is the OPPOSITION party? I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: bigheadfred; Paperdoll
“Maybe it was just YOU”

I might have had some of it coming. It wasn't a heated debate at all. It was over lunch. The guy had a Master’s degree from the University of Chicago. But I did know a lot of the “questionable” things about Mormonism, which probably what ticked him off. I was agitating the logical part of his mind.

I was raised in Utah and have a mormon (polygamous) ancestry back to the 1830’s.

My wife is an X-mormon. She is a born again Christian. Praise the LORD!

My brother-in-law (Bishop now in the stake presidency) let his guard down once and told me if the government didn't have a law against polygamy he probably would be polygamous. He belongs to the “mainstream” branch of mormonism.

I have a friend that was raised a mormon and is still over in Utah. He is at best agnostic (I'm still working on him) Anyway, he has an analogy of people there. He said they all stand around in a circle holding hands repeating the church the church the church the church the church.

Back in the early eighties, I know of a Professor at the University of Utah in the business department said. “Utah is a closed and inward society and a place where everyone reinforces each others delusions.” (paraphrase). This was back in the early eighties things have changed a lot in Utah since. Salt Lake City is similar to Boulder, Colorado now. Which is another story.

27 posted on 10/30/2011 4:55:04 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: Imnidiot
...the LDS probably won’t issue a decree to have you slain or beheaded.

Up until fairly recently, by historical standards, the Catholic Church had no problem with burning people at the stake, consfiscating their property without trial, torturing people until they confesed to 'heresy', etc.

It'd be interesting to tally up whether islam or Catholocism has the higher body count over the last 1500 years or so.

28 posted on 10/30/2011 4:57:57 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: driftdiver
So I guess your point is that there is difference between crazy and nuts? I didn't like living in Utah. Most Christians don't.

When I was going to the U of U I had many friends that were Iranians.

29 posted on 10/30/2011 5:03:51 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: cruise_missile

So don’t live there, pretty simple.

There are foreigners in most of our universities. Utah isn’t special.


30 posted on 10/30/2011 5:08:24 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: truthguy

lol!


31 posted on 10/30/2011 5:11:06 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: Lurker

“It’d be interesting to tally up whether islam or Catholocism has the higher body count over the last 1500 years or so. “

Not all that interesting, Islam has killed far far more.


32 posted on 10/30/2011 5:11:37 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

You probably read my post #9 like you read the Book of Mormon.

I did my Senior project with an Iranian. That would be unusual don’t you think?


33 posted on 10/30/2011 5:11:43 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: Imnidiot

The LDS were very aggressive, and the reason Americans hated and feared them so much is that they came in and literally took over these isolated frontier towns. Mad Mo did exactly the same.


34 posted on 10/30/2011 5:12:47 PM PDT by livius
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To: cruise_missile

You probably jump to conclusions and make assumptions. yes I find that you are so closely tied with Iranians to be suspicious. Obviously you need to be sent to Guantanamo.


35 posted on 10/30/2011 5:14:28 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

The Whack jobs being the naysayers? Lots of those on this thread today very sad to say.


36 posted on 10/30/2011 5:19:03 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( I like Herman Cain)
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To: Paperdoll

not really


37 posted on 10/30/2011 5:20:33 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Stosh

If the Mormon church takes over the government you see the same sex marriage bill widen to include multi-wives. The more kids the embryo gods have on planet earth, the more power they have when they receive their very own planet when they die.


38 posted on 10/30/2011 5:25:33 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( I like Herman Cain)
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To: Imnidiot

Definitely agree with that. Reportedly Smith compared himself with Mohammed though at one point. But Smith’s followers are nothing like the violent arm of TROP. Youseff is pretty good though. He is Egyptian having lived under islam. He speaks out against the gay agenda, for the Cross and against islamic terrorists regarding 9/11.


39 posted on 10/30/2011 5:34:16 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Kaslin
Obama meets with top Mormon leader

"President Barack Obama was presented with five large leather-bound volumes today by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that detail his family history going back multiple generations covering hundreds of years. The presentation was made by Church President Thomas S. Monson and Elder Dallin H. Oaks of the Church’s Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. They were accompanied by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who is also a member of the Church.

President Monson said: 'President Obama’s heritage is rich with examples of leadership, sacrifice and service. We were very pleased to research his family history and are honored to present it to him today.'

Elder Oaks, who oversees the Church’s family history program, said, 'The Church has great resources and experience in genealogy work, and we are proud to have researched such a unique and impressive family history.'

(Photo, by Pete Souza of the White House, shows President Barack Obama reviewing geneaological records with (from left) Senator Harry Reid; Joshua DuBois, Director of the White House Office for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships; LDS Church President Thomas Monson and LDS Elder Dallin Oaks in the Oval Office, July 20, 2009.)

SOURCE

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Mormons, Muslims get along by creating books, not destroying them

Kevin Barney, Independent Mormon blogger for By Common Consent

The threat by Pastor Terry Jones to burn the Qur'an was all over the news. What if, instead of destroying Muslim books, we were actually to create them, by translating the classic works of the Islamic golden age into English?

That is the project Dan Peterson, a professor of Arabic at Brigham Young University has been engaged in for more than a decade, a project that has built tremendous goodwill and resulted in many lasting friendships between Muslims and those of the Mormon faith.

This past Sunday evening, Peterson was in town as part of a BYU humanities outreach to give a lecture at the Mormon Church in Naperville on BYU's Islamic Translation Series. Several hundred people were in attendance, including several dozen Muslim dignataries and guests.

Peterson recalled that when he was first appointed as a professor and began to teach a course in Islamic philosophy, he was chagrined by the lack of classic Islamic texts available in English translation. You can walk into any Borders or Barnes and Noble and find multiple translations of the great thinkers of Greece and Rome, but not so for Islam...

source

40 posted on 10/30/2011 5:37:28 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Paperdoll

There are a myriad of reasons to not support Romney but the ones you stated are silly. You’re statements are completely idiotic.


41 posted on 10/30/2011 5:37:57 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Paperdoll

Good Grief..
I am not supporting Romney because he is a wishy washy flip flopper..and not a conservative.


42 posted on 10/30/2011 5:42:08 PM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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To: Stosh

Religions founded by unsuccessful flaky males always go for polygamy, because that’s the only way they can get any. Joseph Smith was a fruitloop who got his start looking for gold through a “magic crystal” in his hat, and Brigham Young was sort of an entrepreneur who knew a good thing when he saw it.

The religion was an aggressive, vicious theocracy, exactly like Islam, and only backed down because of the US Cavalry...Utah could not become a state until it renounced some of the precepts of Mormonism.

It’s exactly like Islam. But maybe we could have Dueling Prophets, where Mad Mo and Joseph Smith face off wearing Mexican wrestling masks?


43 posted on 10/30/2011 5:44:45 PM PDT by livius
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To: Kaslin
Muslims and Mormons are both following the teaching of false prophets that were agents of the devil.  And that's a fact. 

I don't see anything wrong with pointing out the truth.  Truth saves. 

Does anyone believe that God would not want the truth to be known in order to avoid offending someone?  Not on your life.

 

44 posted on 10/30/2011 5:45:43 PM PDT by CaptainKrunch
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To: cruise_missile

My cousin is married to a Mormon and they both worked in a power plant with all Mormons except him, he retired the first day he was eligible and moved to Hawaii and told his wife she could join him when she retired.


45 posted on 10/30/2011 5:48:15 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Lurker

Protestantism had no problem burning people at the stake, either, and in its brief existence, even shorter than that of Islam, probably offed about as many people (including those among rival Protestant groups). Religious wars are awful, but they are the function of human error, and the difference is that Christianity is not founded on warfare and killing. Islam is.


46 posted on 10/30/2011 5:49:00 PM PDT by livius
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To: driftdiver

My statements are the truth. Maybe a shade over your head, but truthful. Mitt Romney is at the same as the 33rd degree of Freemasonry. I think that means he is a Bishop in the MOrmon Church. Knowing as little as you apparently do about the Mormon Church, if you think Romney would be president all by himself I have a bridge to sell you. Read Trisha Erickson’s “Can Mitt Serve Two Masters?”. She is a daughter of another Mormon Bishop, and she is no longer a member of the Mormon Church.


47 posted on 10/30/2011 5:49:34 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( I like Herman Cain)
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To: Kaslin
pastedGraphic.pdf In America, we have the great privilege of choosing candidates based on our core values, rather than how they identify with our theological point of view.

My "theological point of view", is the basis for my "core values".

48 posted on 10/30/2011 5:51:04 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: Paperdoll

yeah you are sooo smart, smarter than everyone else on the internet


49 posted on 10/30/2011 5:51:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kaslin
Common Threads between Islam and Mormonism

Pretty funny to see this now. I posted this back in 2010:

Both appeal to long lost descendants of Abraham to give them a genetic link to a major religious figure, both claim that the truth was subsequently covered up by the religious establishment, both claim to be God's way of bringing the truth about it all back to the world, both have special instructions for the nether regions (Islam, the proper way to poop and pee; Mormon, the special underpants), both promoted polygamy, both explain away the significance of Jesus, both depend on a certain level of xenophobia to keep the group together.
50 posted on 10/30/2011 5:53:46 PM PDT by aruanan
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