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Rick Perry's 'truly bizarre' speech: Was he drunk?
TheWeek.com ^ | October 31, 2011 | TheWeek

Posted on 11/01/2011 2:56:27 AM PDT by iowamark

Texas Gov. Rick Perry raised some eyebrows — and questions about his sobriety — with an unusually expressive speech to a conservative group in Manchester, N.H., on Friday. In the speech, Perry ditched his typically reserved style and instead employed "the sort of tics, facial contortions, mimes, and muggings that one would expect from a comic performer," says Thomas Lane at Talking Points Memo. The media scuttlebutt is largely based on an anonymously posted YouTube compilation of "highlights" from the speech (watch the clip below), but even some in attendance were perplexed. "It was different," Manchester Mayor Ted Gatsas said. Another GOP operative said it reminded him of Democrat Howard Dean's race-ending "scream" in 2004. Perry's campaign's response? The speech simply proves that Perry is "passionate about the issues he talks about."

The reaction: Perry's performance was "truly bizarre," says Libby Spencer at The Impolitic. "He comes off as pretty well drunk. Or drugged." Yes, and though it's not a crime to be "pretty publicly lit," it's almost certainly bad politics for a presidential hopeful, says Andrew Sullivan at The Daily Beast. Well, I doubt he's drunk, says Josh Feldman at Mediaite. But his exuberance is "fun to watch." I bet "Alec Baldwin will appreciate the material for his next Perry impersonation. Look, "we're not saying that he's definitely drunk," says Max Read at Gawker, "we're just saying, watch the whole thing" and judge for yourself. Have a look:


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Iowa; US: New Hampshire; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: drugged; drunk; perry; rickperry
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Video: Perry's Cornerstone Speech Highlights
1 posted on 11/01/2011 2:56:31 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark
Perry is a drunk, happens to a lot of boys living with alpha females. Poor thing.
2 posted on 11/01/2011 3:02:33 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: iowamark

That is the Obama media being cited there, the all lib&homo media there, so f’m.


3 posted on 11/01/2011 3:05:22 AM PDT by dennisw (What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having - - Sting)
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To: iowamark

The GOPs Teresa Kerry?


4 posted on 11/01/2011 3:06:41 AM PDT by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: iowamark
The audience provided the uncomfortable, sympathetic laugh track. It was only missing circus music.

After watching that, you could only hope he was drunk. If that's how he expresses "passion" for issues, as his campaign would have you believe, imagine the potential SOTU addresses.

BTW, it's probably not a good idea to invoke The Alamo and "victory or death" in a campaign. How'd that work out for those at The Alamo?

5 posted on 11/01/2011 3:07:18 AM PDT by edpc (My silence IS an answer)
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To: iowamark

He’s not drunk or drugged. He’s just animated and in a good mood. Doesn’t anyone in the media ever get tired head and get the giggles?

It happens.


6 posted on 11/01/2011 3:09:09 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: iowamark

His speech isn’t slurred. Although this speech does appear to be bizarre.

Oh well...


7 posted on 11/01/2011 3:12:23 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: iowamark

He definitely looks drunk. His behavior and speech has been radically modified.


8 posted on 11/01/2011 3:14:36 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Bush called us "vigilantes." Perry calls us "heartless.")
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To: iowamark

The media scuttlebutt is largely based on an anonymously posted YouTube compilation of “highlights” from the speech..


9 posted on 11/01/2011 3:16:07 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: iowamark
There's a 25 minute unedited version on youtube. It's painful to watch.
10 posted on 11/01/2011 3:25:21 AM PDT by Ken H (They are running out of other people's money. )
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To: org.whodat

If you had a speck of decency, you’d be ashamed of your reprehensible comments on Perry threads. Since you don’t and aren’t, we’re left to conclude that your unconscionable vitriol is not simply the result of heated political rhetoric during primary season but is rather part of your character.


11 posted on 11/01/2011 3:26:29 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: org.whodat

You’ve crossed over from political to personal.

I look forward to the day you are zotted.


12 posted on 11/01/2011 3:36:08 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: iowamark; Admin Moderator

Here’s the full video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21z30aNO3cA&feature=player_embedded#

Would it be possible to post the link to the whole video?


13 posted on 11/01/2011 3:38:28 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: iowamark

Go in to 6 min on the whole video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21z30aNO3cA&feature=player_embedded#

He’s relaxed and considers himself among friends. If he’s “buzzed” as some have said, then he’s good at remembering a long speech and very good at getting his points across while “buzzed.”


14 posted on 11/01/2011 3:47:09 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: EBH

Drunk? Perhaps. Weird? Yes. Fatal? No. Not the end of the world. But a bit odd, though.


15 posted on 11/01/2011 3:47:57 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Send POLITICO a most potent message, in their face! Donate to both FR & Cain, citing POLITICO deeds)
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To: iowamark
Looked like a Howard Dean moment to me.

We have too many little league candidates playing in a big leauge ball park. Sad.

16 posted on 11/01/2011 3:51:16 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: org.whodat

If you had ever met Anita Perry, you’d know how ridiculous that statement is. She’s small, quiet and looks as though she’d like to fade away.

I’ve only talked to her once, at a fund-raiser here in New Braunfels. She was gracious to my 10-year old granddaughter and we (a doctor and a nurse) discussed the pain of wearing high heels and the merits of having little cushions glued into them.

You mock a man who loves and respects his wife, who doesn’t find it threatening to tell the world that he seeks her council and that she gives him moral advice - such as “you have a duty.”

(When someone makes me mad, the meanest thing I can think of that won’t make me feel guilty - or have to go to work if I’m on call - is to wish that their feet hurt. How do your feet feel?)


17 posted on 11/01/2011 3:58:30 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: iowamark

It looks like an SNL skit. Presidential? I think not!


18 posted on 11/01/2011 4:02:25 AM PDT by mmanager
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To: iowamark

I don’t think he’s drunk, but I don’t think he’s presidential, and I don’t think he’s going to be winning any debates and I don’t think he’s going to win the nomination.

And I don’t think he’s going to take enough votes away from Cain to tip the nomination to Romney.

This is now Cain’s nomination to lose. It worries me that Cain is unsteady on his feet — not unsteady in the manner of Perry in this speech, but just a little too quick to speak without thinking, which can be fatal to someone who already carries the burden of “inexperienced”.

But whatever Cain does or doesn’t do, Perry is out of it. Watch this speech. Forget about “drink or drugs” and just ask yourself: is this man presidential.

I have a weak-spot for Perry. I always have. But I watched this speech, several times, looking for “presidential”. It’s not there.


19 posted on 11/01/2011 4:07:08 AM PDT by samtheman (Newt, can you refute... global warming? You really have to do that.)
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To: samtheman

The longer this nomination process goes on the more convinced it is going to be Gingrich. Cain is done. There will be a number of other women come out of the woodwork. (just my guess). Perry is WAY done. Romney will not get the republican nod. This is going to Gingrich.


20 posted on 11/01/2011 4:20:26 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: mmanager
I think it may be best to look at this based on context. I have only seen the highlights clip, and it looks tad unprofessional, but it may be (as some have said) that he was speaking to a friendly crowd. Looking at myself - the way I speak/act at work is very different from when I am with close friends and family. It would be unfair for someone to record a Saturday evening with friends, put it on YouTube, and then say 'hey look, its Spetznaz acting 'bizarre.' I think the context really matters, and I find it hard to believe that Perry (or any other candidate for that matter) would go and start making drunk/high speeches. Also, their handlers would not let them do so.

Furthermore, if Perry had a serious issue with drink/drugs I am certain it would have come up by now.

Please note I am not saying this as a Perry fan (I actually consider the man a RINO), but I strongly believe that for the United States to prosper a strong leader needs to be selected at the primaries, and then elected as president. The people need to make a proper and logical decision, and that decision needs to be based on fact and stringent analysis, thorough evaluation and proper judgement.

This means that all candidates need to be vetted and vetted well, and that way whatever decision is made will be the proper one. This is the only way Obama can be defeated, and it is also the only way a candidate like Romney (who is the father of RINOS) can be prevented from being the nominee. To this effect, I wish evaluation of the candidates (be it Perry, Cain, Newt, Santorum, etc) could be evaluated on cold hard logic and facts, on policies and issues, on truth and evidence. I also believe that doing it in such a manner would avoid a lot of the bad blood that has been bubbling up. We laughed at the PUMAs that afflicted the Democrats some years back, but it is very possible to see the same effect take hold on our side whereby supporters of one candidate refuse to support another, when all that would accomplish is a Romney nomination followed by the re-election of Obama.

I accept the video posted shows Perry in a bad light, and he does seem 'off,' but I also think it needs to be looked at in the proper context. I think the FReeper who said he was amongst friends (e.g. donors) may be right, and thus the tone of the meeting is very different. I think the candidates need to be judged by their ideas and policies and what they can deliver and where they stand in the Conservativeness spectrum. I do not support Perry, but he deserves to be accepted or rejected based on the weight (or lack of) of his principles and policies, rather than on a YouTube video with no context provided.

21 posted on 11/01/2011 4:23:23 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: iowamark

I saw the video and it seems out-of-character for Perry. However, I have not seen enough Perry speeches to know if this is another side of him we do not know on the national stage. Perhaps Texas FReepers can help.


22 posted on 11/01/2011 4:25:22 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: iowamark

There are things that I do not like about Perry... drinking is NOT one of them.

LLS


23 posted on 11/01/2011 4:27:26 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: iowamark

I was thinking he was on prescription drugs during some of those debates. An hour in, he was always crashing and often incoherent.


24 posted on 11/01/2011 4:27:30 AM PDT by Yaelle (Donate to Cain today to show the media they can't choose our candidate this time.)
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To: kjam22

I could live with Gingrich.


25 posted on 11/01/2011 4:29:15 AM PDT by samtheman (Newt, can you refute... global warming? You really have to do that.)
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To: iowamark

Perry mistook the “who would you rather have a beer with?” political adage for “who would you rather do a night of tequila shots with?”


26 posted on 11/01/2011 4:29:34 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Newt - The Adult in the Room.)
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To: kjam22

What? If this kills Cain, Gingrich has worse! Cain was looking and talking. Newt was Doing!


27 posted on 11/01/2011 4:30:04 AM PDT by Yaelle (Donate to Cain today to show the media they can't choose our candidate this time.)
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To: edpc
In the end it led to the defeat of mexico and the creation of the Republic of Texas... the guys in the Alamo lost the battle... but caused the following VICTORY in the war with mexico... I only wished we had exterminated mexico after defeating them.

LLS

28 posted on 11/01/2011 4:31:18 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: iowamark

No, he’s not drunk, he’s clowning around, maybe trying a little too hard to be amusing. No, this non-story will not hurt him in any way. Yes, you Perry haters and Cainiacs are way off base and trying to make something out of nothing and doing your candidate no favors.


29 posted on 11/01/2011 4:38:24 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: hocndoc

Exactly. If anything, he may have been trying a little too hard to be jovial and friendly. But he wasn’t drunk. The media and the left view him as a threat because he has the positive record of the great state of Texas to stand on. I would hope that in light of the smear campaigns going on against Perry and Cain, that both of them take off the gloves, forget PC and go after obama in detail with everything from Wright to Ayers to the sealed records to his hidden past.


30 posted on 11/01/2011 4:40:27 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: kjam22

Agreed, I’ve really been impressed by Newt, he’s really never attacked anyone, he has stood up to the media at these debates, he has more knowledge than all put together and I feel he is the only one who can beat bozo the clown in a debate.

I’d love to see if this is Romney, the white house or the media working with the white house to raise the 2 sexual harassment cases up.
No doubt the white house now will be getting women together to say they were molested, harassed etc by Cain.


31 posted on 11/01/2011 4:41:34 AM PDT by manc ( Marriage=1man+1 woman I HATE OUR BIASED MEDIA)
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To: iowamark

Who cares?

Elect him as POTUS, what harm will it do for the country?


32 posted on 11/01/2011 4:42:57 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: hocndoc
I will watch the video later but there is a group of low lifes working for another campaign on FR and they are trying to paint a picture of Perry.

The Anita talking points are so off the mark and really they never stuck but a week ago we had a 2 day Freeper claiming to be a Cain supporter posting multiple stories about Anita and Perry and his minions began the PW routine.

Yesterday the "Perry's a drunk" started coming out and today this is supposed to be the sinker.

If you remember a few days ago there was a story "Romney goes for the quick kill on Perry"

If you watch these guys you will see a pattern in even the words they use. Maybe they are from the Cain camp, who knows.

Did you also notice the same guys tried to pin the Cain sexual harrassment leak on the Perry camp?

Certainly a pattern.

33 posted on 11/01/2011 4:51:54 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: org.whodat; iowamark
Perry is a drunk, happens to a lot of boys living with alpha females. Poor thing.

Then you're not a very good judge of what being drunk is like. He's certainly not drunk. His enunciation is great; he doesn't over-enunciate as someone who is inebriated and trying to cover it up attempts to do. His gestures are appropriate for what he's saying. He speaks cogently and coherently. His physical coordination isn't impaired at all. His eye tracking and head movement are all in synch. Compared to other clips I've seen of him, he comes across as relaxed, enjoying the occasion, and at ease in speaking to this group. Nothing bizarre about it at all. Your comments, though, seem quite a bit like some of those You-Tube comments.

And, no, I'm not a Rick Perry supporter. I never have been. I'm most partial to Herman Cain and Sarah Palin.
34 posted on 11/01/2011 4:57:55 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Your observations match what I saw, but it was still a very odd performance.


35 posted on 11/01/2011 4:59:51 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: org.whodat

I’m beginning to think that you post while drunk. You must have a lot of alpha females around you, poor thing.


36 posted on 11/01/2011 5:06:13 AM PDT by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: Yaelle
What? If this kills Cain, Gingrich has worse! Cain was looking and talking. Newt was Doing!

Geez, think of what you're doing. You're making a declarative statement about something of which you know nothing, of which, apparently even the writer at the Politico knows little or nothing, based on his reluctance to divulge--strange for a media person supposedly breaking a story. You're making assumptions based on at least a third or fourth-hand source of information, if it can even be called that.
37 posted on 11/01/2011 5:06:30 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: jersey117; normy

I don’t know where all the meanness about Governor Perry has come from. The worst seems to be from the ones who were disappointed by Sarah Palin and that all started with a few bloggers early this summer

But the personal attacks aren’t just on this board. I still haven’t figured out why on earth Cain singled Perry out as the one Republican he wouldn’t support 100%.

We’re all going to have to come together soon, to defeat Obama and to prepare for the threats of a possible third party, Paul campaign.


38 posted on 11/01/2011 5:07:39 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Your observations match what I saw, but it was still a very odd performance.

Only by comparison to public appearances. Remember that GW Bush was a lot more personal and personable, and a lot less stiff and controlled, when not in an official capacity.
39 posted on 11/01/2011 5:08:10 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Yaelle

He’s said that he “does” caffeine. The time line would be right for caffeine withdrawal.


40 posted on 11/01/2011 5:31:49 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: hocndoc
I wont forget what Cain said and how he came out after Perry for the hunting lease story. Not because it offended me but because it didn't make sense.

If you watched Cain on Face the Nation he laid out the exact plan for border security Perry laid out from the onset.

He said there would probably not be an electric fence and it wouldn't go the length of the border. His remarks about not supporting Perry were supposed to be based on his lack of willingness to secure the border. It came off as a Romney talking point as does "Perry's a drunk" and "Anita rules Perry". He's been my governor for 10 years and that has never been the case.

41 posted on 11/01/2011 5:49:29 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: org.whodat
Perry is a drunk, happens to a lot of boys living with alpha females. Poor thing.

I watched the video and he didn't seem drunk to me. A little goofy for a political speech but not stoned.

I'm not perrywinkle but there is too much bashing of opponents {and I am guiltier of this than most posters}, but I try not to knowingly lie about my opponents.

I don't know if he is a drunk or not, but in my view, he's not drunk in this video.

42 posted on 11/01/2011 6:03:13 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the Terrorists Savages)
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To: USS Alaska

I didn’t think he was drunk either....but then I thought if he would have been drunk, he at least might have an excuse. LOL


43 posted on 11/01/2011 6:06:50 AM PDT by dforest
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Watch the entire speech!
Drunk? Ridiculous anyone, “supposedly” on our side, would go along with smears like this, and entertain it as fact, without anything concrete to follow it up with. Big deal a few animated moments. How sad and ridiculous. Every day there seems to be a new downer from even our own side.

I like that he said his campaign is about FREEDOM. He speaks about our founding fathers, Pro-life, struggles of the family life right now and need for jobs. Perry presented a good speech with a positive message.

44 posted on 11/01/2011 6:09:26 AM PDT by GodBlessUSA ( God Bless Our Military Heroes! ) (("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them"))
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To: LibLieSlayer

I understand what happened post-Alamo. My point is “Victory or Death” is not the best slogan for a campaign....especially when your political career is closer to the latter.


45 posted on 11/01/2011 6:36:27 AM PDT by edpc (My silence IS an answer)
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To: indylindy
I didn’t think he was drunk either....but then I thought if he would have been drunk, he at least might have an excuse. LOL

I don't believe he was drunk either. But if this is how he conducts himself when he is supposedly relaxed then heaven help us all should he ever be confronted with real life problems as a President, like a nuclear crazed despot from say, Pakistan and Iran talking about nuking Israel or even the US! His line then might be something like 'can't we all just get along' (and giggling all the while saying it).

46 posted on 11/01/2011 6:39:58 AM PDT by Ron H. (Conservatives have the Tea Party. The Liberals have the Pee Party.)
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To: beandog
It is not up to me to prove he isn't drunk, it is up to him. Now where is his evidence.
47 posted on 11/01/2011 6:41:08 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: hocndoc
Great thing about the Internet, you can claim to be superman if you wish, and what you think is only important to you.
48 posted on 11/01/2011 6:44:51 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: edpc

That is a valid point.

LLS


49 posted on 11/01/2011 9:27:15 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: iowamark

I think he was sleep deprived or on some meds or something. Seemed odd and punchy.


50 posted on 11/01/2011 9:29:58 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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