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[Obama Disaster] Employers Consider Dropping Insurance Plans [once ObamaCare in place]
FoxNews.com ^ | 11-1-2011 | By Jim Angle

Posted on 11/01/2011 8:24:36 PM PDT by topher

Three years before the new health care law takes full effect, a survey of employers has found 30 percent of them are thinking about dropping coverage, in part because most employees will have an alternative -- government-subsidized insurance exchanges.

McKinsey & Company commissioned a survey of 1,329 private sector employers in February and found that three out of 10 respondents who said their companies offered employer-sponsored health insurance said they would "definitely" or "probably" drop coverage in the years following 2014, the year the Affordable Care Act takes full effect.

"The employer knows there's no reason to provide private, expensive coverage if there's free options available from the government," said John Goodman, of the conservative National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhohealthcare; democrats; disaster; healthcare; healthinsurance; insurance; obama; obamacare; socialistdemocrats; socialisthealthcare
This will force to government to spend more money not less.

What a disaster Obama has been as president!

He is less than the big Zero. He is the big deficit, the gigantic minus in terms of the dollar and plunging the US into debt.

1 posted on 11/01/2011 8:24:42 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher
Single Payer, Canadian-style plan coming up soon.

It's what the Left has always wanted -- and this is how they decided to convince people.

2 posted on 11/01/2011 8:26:43 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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To: topher

We should have read the bill to find out what was in it. Piglosi lied.


3 posted on 11/01/2011 8:27:39 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Stop Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: topher

that was the plan all along

your choice is to pay for an $8K (or more) plan, or pay a $3.5K fine

once everyone is paying the fine, it will go up to 8K too (or more)


4 posted on 11/01/2011 8:27:44 PM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: topher
And the entire system comes a tumbling down.

Sends a shiver up your leg, doesn't it?

5 posted on 11/01/2011 8:27:52 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: topher
FoxNews also an article about how the US Senate will deny Americans inhalers over an environmental issue.

Stupidity is reigning supreme in Washington, DC these days.

FoxNews article about inhalers:

Senate Votes Down DeMint's Proposal to Protect Inhalers

Too many IDIOTS in the US Senate as well as in the White House and Vice President. But then these people are paid big bucks to be IDIOTS.

6 posted on 11/01/2011 8:30:20 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: topher

I hope you all enjoy your 6 month wait to see a Nurse and not a Doctor.


7 posted on 11/01/2011 8:37:14 PM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: topher
In terms of the Senate vote on DeMint's amendment to prevent inhalers [for asthma sufferers] from being taken off the Market, the vote was:

1. All Democrats except Nelson of Nebraska voted against it [prevent people from breathing].

2. All Republicans voted for it except for two New England RINO's -- Brown of Massachusetts and Collins of Maine.

3. Not voting were two Republicans -- Burr R-NC and McCain R-AZ.

8 posted on 11/01/2011 8:43:33 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: topher


9 posted on 11/01/2011 8:48:15 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: topher

Of course, that was the plan all along.


10 posted on 11/01/2011 8:49:35 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Single Payer, Canadian-style plan coming up soon.

True. Why do supporters believe the single payer will be benevolent? All of us will find out differently when it's too late.

11 posted on 11/01/2011 8:51:34 PM PDT by poindexter
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To: topher

This was the plan all along....a single payer system completely run by the government. I believe that’s why they keep cutting medicare provider payments. It’s a way to run the doctors and hospitals out of business.


12 posted on 11/01/2011 8:56:31 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Where is the OPPOSITION party? I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: topher
FoxNews also an article about how the US Senate will deny Americans inhalers over an environmental issue

And last year or so 0bambi was railing against the health industry....

some mumbo jumbo about ...

inhalators....breathalators.....breathalizers.....or some such as he got off the teleprompter...

see the video...and this goon is our PResident.....?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxxGUeZtno

13 posted on 11/01/2011 9:02:21 PM PDT by spokeshave (Cain....100% American, 100% Black and 100% for the Constitution...999 an added benefit.)
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To: desertfreedom765
not necessarily a nurse-—just “health care provider’. Some flunky will decide if you are ill enough to see a nurse.
14 posted on 11/01/2011 9:17:34 PM PDT by RightLady (Liberty above all)
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To: topher

why is that a disaster for obama? That’s exactly what they wanted to have happen.


15 posted on 11/01/2011 9:19:44 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: topher

I made a trip to the pharmacy recently for an elderly church member, to pick up 6 prescriptions for her, before I left her house, she handed me a five dollar bill and said, “here, this is for the copay”. I brought her scripts back to her and $2.60 in change.

Medicaide for everybody! Nobody pays! Whatta plan!

I have no idea what her prescriptions were for or what the real cost of them were but at 40¢ per, you can’t go wrong.


16 posted on 11/01/2011 9:45:04 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: topher

forcing industry and business out of providing health care benefits is JUST EXACTLY what the govt statists want...its all working out as planned...


17 posted on 11/01/2011 10:39:22 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Mr. K
a survey of employers has found 30 percent of them are thinking about dropping coverage

and it will snow ball after that.........once your competition drops coverage, your company will be under economic pressure to do the same.

18 posted on 11/02/2011 12:31:35 AM PDT by Lockbox (`)
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To: desertfreedom765

“I hope you all enjoy your 6 month wait to see a Nurse and not a Doctor.”

Maybe it will be worthwhile, as our employers increase our pay due to the reduced cost of coverage.

Just kidding...


19 posted on 11/02/2011 2:49:37 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: the invisib1e hand
The editorial title is more to annoy liberals that lurk on Freerepublic.

It is a disaster for the American people for private industry to pay less and people and government pay more for health care.

20 posted on 11/02/2011 3:51:51 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- are the values that time has proven them to work)
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To: Terry Mross

“This was the plan all along....a single payer system completely run by the government. I believe that’s why they keep cutting medicare provider payments. It’s a way to run the doctors and hospitals out of business.”

True. Aided and abetted by corporate America. In the 1990’s and early 2000’s corporate America not only outsourced millions of jobs, it eliminated the defined benefit pension system. Through the first decade of the 21st century, businesses shifted more of the burden of rising health care costs to employees through higher deductibles, higher premiums, and reduced benefits.

Today rising health care costs are the biggest uncontrollable expense on most company P&L’s. Offloading this expense on the government will result in a major improvement in profitability for most businesses, even if they pay the $2000 per employee fine for not providing health care. If the employer share of an employee’s health care cost is $5000 to $8000 a year today, the decision to drop health care insurance for employees and pay the $2000 fine is the logical choice.

The $2000 fine on employers who drop or don’t provide health care coverage was a brilliant economic incentive to force the adoption of the single payer government system. The government will enjoy billions in revenue from this new tax as employers drop millions of employees from company sponsored/funded health care program. When millions of employees with preexisting conditions find they can’t buy coverage in the private sector, or the available coverage in the state pools is too expensive, they will be screaming for the federal government single payer system. Democrats and limp Rino Republicans politicians will gladly provide it for them.

Unless the Obamacare requirement that all Americans purchase health care is struck down by the Supreme Court, the game is over. Boehner and the House Republicans clearly have no appetite for doing anything to defund, modify, or roll back Obamacare. There will be no action to reform Obamacare in the Senate while Harry Reid is in charge. It is beginning to look like Obamacare will be implemented on schedule and the implementation plan will ensure the citizens demand it be converted into a single payer system run by the government.


21 posted on 11/02/2011 3:52:28 AM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: topher

On the other hand, We’re broke, bankrupt, etc. Why does everyone think that this is going to plan? IMHO they went for broke either too early or too late and now... Well, I believe we are going to have civil disruption, possibly civil war and I don’t see any way to stop that now. And if that was the plan after all, then ‘they’ are about to succeed.

The Healthcare takeover is just the grease under the skids to that disastrously unhappy point in our history coming up. And I personally don’t see how to stop or avoid it now.

Then again perhaps I’m just in a pessimistic mood this morning.


22 posted on 11/02/2011 4:49:14 AM PDT by The Working Man (The mantra for BO's reign...."No Child Left a Dime")
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To: The Working Man

“Then again perhaps I’m just in a pessimistic mood this morning.”
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That’s it, you just need to clear your head and relax, now lean back and count the Pink Unicorns, are you smiling yet?


23 posted on 11/02/2011 5:33:38 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: RipSawyer

one Unicorn... Pink

Two Unicorn ... Pink

Three Unicorn ... Purple

Four Unicorn ... Pink.. No Purple... What was the question again?


24 posted on 11/02/2011 5:39:21 AM PDT by The Working Man (The mantra for BO's reign...."No Child Left a Dime")
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To: The Working Man

obamacare = stay healthy or die.

If you are sick, you are useless to the collective.


25 posted on 11/02/2011 5:55:53 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It will all collapse long before we ever get there.

If we had 1912 demographics and accumulated debt levels we might have been able to sustain single-payer for a short time; but with accumulated debt at 98.5% of Q3 2011 GDP and now exponentially increasing combined with the demographic bomb of baby boomers just starting to turn 65 now in 2011.

Not only will you not have single payer, you won’t have Medicare, Social Security, government worker pensions or any other transfer payment.

It won’t not happen because the Republicans successfully fight it (although they may yet still at the USSC). It won’t happen because the mathematics make it impossible.


26 posted on 11/02/2011 9:59:14 AM PDT by Reagan80 ("In this current crisis, government is not the solution to our problems, government IS the problem")
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