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Wind Farms Disrupting Radar, Scientists Say
FoxNews.com ^ | November 05, 2011 | unattributed

Posted on 11/05/2011 12:54:18 PM PDT by Hunton Peck

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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Hunton Peck.


21 posted on 11/05/2011 3:45:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: dayglored

Ummm. No. Just google ‘windmill bird deaths’ and you will get many pro and con stories. Just a brief reading gives 10,000 to 40,000 bird deaths per year in the U.S. alone. Turbines exist in other countries as well. One facility in Wolfe Island off the shores of Kingston, Ont., Canada, has 86 turbines. Each wind turbine averages 14 bird kills per year and 29 bat kills. That amounts to 1032 birds killed per year and 2540 bats killed.
Millions of birds die each year by unnatural causes, so the number of 40,000 in the U.S. pales by comparison. I don’t know what the deaths worldwide are. But just because the national number is much lower does not mean that it is non-existent or unimportant.
Perhaps 400,000 is a worldwide number?


22 posted on 11/05/2011 4:18:52 PM PDT by justsmithers
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To: org.whodat
Radar, another horse an buggy technology coming to an end, what is wrong with the frigging GPS locator's.

Your vocabulary is loathsome. It suggests to me that you are a ledgend in your own miniscule mind.

23 posted on 11/05/2011 5:00:57 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: org.whodat

Get back to us after you sober up.

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24 posted on 11/05/2011 5:13:15 PM PDT by InkYouBuss_007 (This one is escaping the Cuckoo's nest)
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To: Hunton Peck
Dave Belote, cited in the article, is misrepresenting the effectiveness of the Scan-Step technology now being field tested at the Shepherds Flat wind project. By 2008, 39% of our long range radar was negatively impacted by wind turbines. We have twice the capacity of wind now installed and the problem is NOT resolved. Meanwhile, our taxes are picking up the bill to degrade our radar resolution in the name of the green dream. That little ‘blank spot’ Belote refers to in on the radar map is big enough to fly a space shuttle through.
25 posted on 11/05/2011 5:19:43 PM PDT by LisaS
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To: Hunton Peck

Murphy always rears his ugly head.


26 posted on 11/05/2011 5:21:32 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: InkYouBuss_007
What occupy group are you posting from is the animal rights division.
27 posted on 11/05/2011 5:22:52 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: jwalsh07

Perhaps not Murphy. Perhaps it was intentional.


28 posted on 11/05/2011 5:34:01 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: LisaS

I had a feeling the reports of a low-cost solution were probably bunk. Thanks for the info.


29 posted on 11/05/2011 5:43:09 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: justsmithers
> Millions of birds die each year by unnatural causes, so the number of 40,000 in the U.S. pales by comparison. I don’t know what the deaths worldwide are. But just because the national number is much lower does not mean that it is non-existent or unimportant.

I apologize if I seemed to be saying that bird deaths due to wind machines are "non-existent or unimportant". As one who, during my time as a wildlife rehabilitator, hand-raised a score or more injured/orphaned birds for weeks or months each until they are ready to be released, I know that every single one of those lives are God-given and precious.

Wind power at small scales has been around for centuries, and any American farmer will tell you that prior to FDR's Big-Government New Deal REA, a lot of America's rural heartland relied on wind power. I personally think that while modern small-scale wind power is both practical and worthwhile, the large-scale projects tend to be troublesome boondoggles.

Anyway, my point before was that bird kills are not a good means for advocating against large-scale wind power.

The number of birds actually killed by wind machines is a) mostly unknown, due to lack of data, and b) a lot smaller than the figures usually fabricated by the anti-wind-power advocates. In that information vacuum, people with agendas make data up. I have seen figures taken from a small study done on some turbines that were (unfortunately) sited directly on a major migration path, and multiplied by the estimated number of turbines in the world, as if they all were in such paths. That's silly at best, and a better description is "fraudulent".

> Perhaps 400,000 is a worldwide number?

It could be. As above, I don't know the real numbers any better than those who fabricate them; I believe it's lower than often cited, because no one is able to show the carcasses, and if birds were being knocked out of the sky at the cited rates, there would be piles of them on every wind farm.

Your mention of bat kills is interesting. I personally like bats a lot, and hadn't thought wind machines posed a significant danger to them, given that they are known to be able to fly through rotating electric fan blades and so on. I'll look into that, and thank you for the thought.

30 posted on 11/05/2011 7:13:47 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
US Fish and Wildlife Service estimates annual mortality due to wind turbines at 440,000 birds. See http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/pif/pubs/McAllenProc/articles/PIF09_Anthropogenic%20Impacts/Manville_PIF09.pdf .

Bat mortality is significantly higher thanks to the poor siting of wind turbines and reckless operating procedures (during peak migration periods). Turbines are adding to the devastation already underway from white nose syndrome.

We're long past the point of trying to stop wind projects using bird/bat mortality. The public is too confused by available information — as clearly shown in your post. Still, the industry knows better but refuses to accept responsibility and our wildlife agencies (State and Local) are unwilling to stand up for fear they will lose their jobs. The question now is how much mortality will take place before the industry succumbs to the more obvious weakness — the fact that the wind cannot survive without billions paid out in federal subsidies and existing state mandates that enable developers to demand (and get) higher prices for a low-value energy.

31 posted on 11/06/2011 5:08:23 AM PST by LisaS
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