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Child sex charges, possible cover-up rock Penn St
AP/Yahoo ^ | 11/6/11 | GENARO C. ARMAS and MARK SCOLFORO

Posted on 11/06/2011 4:04:13 AM PST by markomalley

An explosive sex abuse scandal and possible cover-up rocked Happy Valley after former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, once considered Joe Paterno's heir apparent, was charged with sexually assaulting eight boys over a 15-year period. Among the allegations was that a graduate assistant saw Sandusky assault a boy in the shower at the Nittany Lions' practice center in 2002.

Sandusky retired in 1999 but continued to use the school's facilities for his work with The Second Mile, a foundation he established to help at-risk kids. The state grand jury investigation also resulted in perjury charges against Tim Curley, Penn State's athletic director, and Gary Schultz, vice president for finance and business. The two administrators were accused of failing to alert police — as required by state law — of their investigation of the allegations.

"This is a case about a sexual predator who used his position within the university and community to repeatedly prey on young boys," state Attorney General Linda Kelly said Saturday in a statement.

Paterno, who last week became the winningest coach in Division I football, wasn't charged, and the grand jury report didn't appear to implicate him in wrongdoing.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: happyvalley; homonazi; homonazism; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; paterno; pederastagenda; pederasts; pederasty; pedophile; pennstate
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1 posted on 11/06/2011 4:04:14 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

There was a longer story on this yesterday.
Lots of people evidently covered it up, and need some jail time.


2 posted on 11/06/2011 4:09:56 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: markomalley
Crime Report
3 posted on 11/06/2011 4:26:45 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: markomalley

Paterno knew his assailant raped a ten year old boy and he did not report it to police?

Why is he not immediately put in jail?


4 posted on 11/06/2011 4:39:23 AM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: icwhatudo
Paterno knew his assailant raped a ten year old boy and he did not report it to police?

From yesterday's longer story, I believe Joe Paterno was told by the graduate assistant who witnessed the assault by Sandusky. Paterno reported the charge to Curley, the Athletic Director, which is why Curley knew about it.

I don't know whether Paterno had an obligation to notify police. The article (and I never believe what journalists write about the law) suggests that Curley and Schultz had an obligation to report Sandusky to the police because they had conducted an 'investigation."

Not a defense of anyone - just some additional facts from a longer story.

5 posted on 11/06/2011 4:49:44 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: markomalley

Penn Street? Penn Saint?


6 posted on 11/06/2011 5:00:59 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Scoutmaster

Paterno let this pedo keep his campus office until friday. There is way more to this story I have a feeling. Sandusky started his kids charity in 1977. Pedos don’t start raping children when they are in their 50’s. Paterno forced Sandusky to retire after he molested a boy in his locker room in 1998. Then he rapes a boy a few years later in Paterno’s locker room showers and Paterno did NOTHING. He never followed up when he knew this guy was still around kids. This is the end of Joe Pa sad to say...


7 posted on 11/06/2011 5:08:24 AM PST by lodi90
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To: markomalley
Sandusky retired in 1999 but continued to use the school's facilities for his work with The Second Mile, a foundation he established to help at-risk kids.

Death penalty. As Bob Grant used to say, he has served notice on society that he is not fit to live amongst us.

8 posted on 11/06/2011 5:15:38 AM PST by montag813
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To: lodi90

Paterno will suddenly decide it is time to retire in a few weeks. Sick stuff. I imagine the worship-joe culture at PSU gave Joe a feeling of being untouchable and above the law.


9 posted on 11/06/2011 5:16:03 AM PST by Treeless Branch
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To: lodi90

State Police Investigators do not agree with you. Joe followed his chain of command and reported the incident to his superior. PSP have been investigating this for years. If they had evidence that JoePa was criminally involved he would have been charged.


10 posted on 11/06/2011 5:16:12 AM PST by halfright ("Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Je)
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To: halfright
Joe followed his chain of command and reported the incident to his superior.

Does JoePa not know the number for 9-1-1? Does anybody at Penn State? Because if I see a guy literally raping a child I'm going to call the police. Not campus security, not "oh, I told my co-worker," not a quick e-mail to the president.

The god damn police. What the hell.
11 posted on 11/06/2011 5:29:34 AM PST by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: montag813
...a foundation he established to help at-risk kids.

...a foundation he established to help find at-risk kids.

12 posted on 11/06/2011 5:30:33 AM PST by Never on my watch (WTF happened to my country?)
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
Joe followed his chain of command and reported the incident to his superior.

This is like saying he should have called the Dean before the fire department if the locker room was on fire.

13 posted on 11/06/2011 5:36:28 AM PST by Never on my watch (WTF happened to my country?)
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To: halfright

IIRC, state law requires reporting to the cops or a child protective agency. Paterno did neither. He and Spanier should both be up on charges.


14 posted on 11/06/2011 5:37:00 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: Never on my watch

My favorite part is how the original DA just up and vanished in 2005.


15 posted on 11/06/2011 5:38:33 AM PST by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: halfright

As for state police officers not agreeing, Roy Gricar, the DA who didn’t prosecute Sandusky, was mentioned in the grand jury report. Another angle that needs some closer examination.


16 posted on 11/06/2011 5:41:21 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: markomalley

If football coaches could marry this would not happen. Oh wait...


17 posted on 11/06/2011 5:44:22 AM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

Re read post four, or the longer wallstreet journal story from yesterday.

Paterno only had a second hand accusation to go on. He wasn’t a witness. He passed what he had heard up the chain of authority to the people who are supposed to look into things like this.


18 posted on 11/06/2011 5:45:58 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: mewzilla

Roy Gricar vanished without a trace years ago.


19 posted on 11/06/2011 5:47:45 AM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: flintsilver7

Yeah, I know.


20 posted on 11/06/2011 5:48:37 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: MrEdd

Just out of curiosity, and NOT that I recommend it, but have you read the grand jury report?


21 posted on 11/06/2011 5:49:53 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: markomalley

Paterno crapped his pants again on this one. Sandusky should have his trail and if convicted given the death penalty. Of course the other prisoners may make that happen.


22 posted on 11/06/2011 5:50:14 AM PST by Abbeville Conservative (Sarah Palin, the only cure for the RINO virus.)
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To: mewzilla

Just the Wallstreet Journal story late last night.


23 posted on 11/06/2011 5:55:35 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

Paterno only had a second hand accusation to go on. He wasn’t a witness. He passed what he had heard up the chain of authority to the people who are supposed to look into things like this.

"Hey Coach Paterno, I saw Coach Sandusky 'subjecting a ten-year-old boy to anal sex in the shower'."

Paterno reported "that the graduate student had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

Well, a) one of those things is not like the other; b) if you heard that your employee was literally raping a ten-year-old boy would you pass that off as "fondling?"; c) why didn't JoePa ask what the hell a grown-ass man is doing in the showers with a young boy in the FIRST place...

Like, if I heard this from someone under me, I'd be taking me, AND him, AND Coach Sandusky, AND the athletic director, at the very least, and we'd have a sit-down with the cops and get to the bottom of this.

Nah, it's probably nothing, I'll just kick it up the chain of command, it'll work itself out
24 posted on 11/06/2011 5:55:41 AM PST by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: halfright

The only reason JoePa is not charged is because of his legendary status he was not given as much of an opportunity to perjure himself. This is sick sick stuff. JoePa’s friend was raping children in his shower and he is supposed to follow the “chain of command”? Is that what you would do?

Why did JoePa allow this man on campus and around children after a member of his staff WITNESSED anal rape of a child in his locker room showers? He made no attempt to stop it after multiple assaults. One phone call from JoePa is all it would have taken

You need stop stop being in denial and defending JoePa. It’s only going to get worse once more facts come out.


25 posted on 11/06/2011 5:58:14 AM PST by lodi90
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

“My favorite part is how the original DA just up and vanished in 2005.”

Ray Gricar, just declared legally dead by the courts....
A VERY big deal that got swept under the rugs, real quick.


26 posted on 11/06/2011 6:01:52 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

Paterno immediately reported the incident to Curley (the AD) and Schultz (the head of University Police, who are ‘real’ cops). Is the complaint now that he didn’t report it to the ‘right’ police? There was a lengthy grand jury investigation and they didn’t find Paterno at fault for anything. I’m not sure what else you need. The information available is quite detailed.

For the record I do not care for Paterno. While his wife is cheerful and pleasant, Paterno is unfriendly, bitter, and angry. He doesn’t even believe he needs to stop at stop signs (though I can now say that I flipped off and gave a big FU to him). That said, from the available information I believe Joe did the right thing.


27 posted on 11/06/2011 6:04:05 AM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: MrEdd

FWIW, my opinion of Paterno did a 180 after I read the grand jury report.


28 posted on 11/06/2011 6:05:44 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: flintsilver7
Paterno immediately reported the incident to Curley (the AD) and Schultz (the head of University Police, who are ‘real’ cops). Is the complaint now that he didn’t report it to the ‘right’ police?

Yeah, actually, that is my complaint. He reported it to the very people with a significant financial stake in keeping it under wraps.
29 posted on 11/06/2011 6:08:05 AM PST by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: MrEdd

“Paterno only had a second hand accusation to go on. He wasn’t a witness.”

This was the second documented PUBLIC accusation of child sex assault that JoePa kicked upstairs and did not follow up on. How much more do we need to know? How much more don’t we know?

Why did JoePa allow this perp around children and young men after multiple accusations of sex assault? No falsely accused man showers again with young boys. He is guilty. JoePa & everyone else at PSU knew that.

The only logically explanation to the inaction is that everyone at Penn State was in CYA mode. Meanwhile, more boys were being assaulted for years.


30 posted on 11/06/2011 6:08:38 AM PST by lodi90
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

Point.

Hadn’t read the grand jury report that Paterno was given so much detail and then downplayed the act.

His legacy will be something different now.


31 posted on 11/06/2011 6:09:08 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: markomalley

The Second Mile is apparently a Catholic youth organization.

http://www.manta.com/c/mmg82tq/second-mile

This behavior is regarded as being learned, ie the molestors were themselves molested as a child.

Quite the horrid price to pay for having been “tolerant” in the past. The damage appears to have spread like a cancer. Some of these boys will be warped for life and will end up perpetuating the cycle.


32 posted on 11/06/2011 6:20:45 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: flintsilver7
Paterno immediately reported the incident to Curley (the AD) and Schultz (the head of University Police, who are ‘real’ cops).

This.

I am not a Paterno fan either, but the idea he did not report this incident to the Police is flat out wrong. I work for a major University, and if I had a report that something like this had happened, I absolutely would take it to the Chief of Police for our campus. From there, I would trust him to pass it on to higher authorities if the situation warranted it.

That said, WTF was Paterno doing letting the guy back on campus to use his facilities after this occurred?

33 posted on 11/06/2011 6:21:08 AM PST by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: comebacknewt

Just curious, and not passing judgement. But why wouldn’t you call the real police? After all of the stories we hear about cover ups of this stuff, would you trust the “internal” process.


34 posted on 11/06/2011 6:23:49 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
The Second Mile is apparently a Catholic youth organization.

No it's not.

You referenced its entry in "Manta.com", which says:

Second Mile in Camp Hill, PA is a private company categorized under Youth Organizations. Our records show it was established in 1977 and incorporated in Pennsylvania. Register for free to see additional information such as annual revenue and employment figures. Companies like Second Mile usually offer: Youth Soccer Organizations, Youth Development Organizations, Catholic Youth Organizations, Youth Football Organizations and La Costa Youth Organization.

Here is their website.

If you take a look at their board of directors (listed on the website), you will see no clergy members of any denomination. Nor will you see any affiliation with any religious organization.

The reason "manta" lists "Catholic Youth Organizations" is because CYO's serve similar purposes to this organization, not that there is any affiliation.

35 posted on 11/06/2011 6:28:33 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

Another disgusting homo caught in the act of their sick obsession. IN time, all of the acts of a homo will be couched in their rights as a minority. Who would ever have thought they would be allowed marital status and to adopt same-sex children—just like ancient Rome and the catamites.


36 posted on 11/06/2011 6:28:57 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Scoutmaster
From yesterday's longer story, I believe Joe Paterno was told by the graduate assistant who witnessed the assault by Sandusky.

I do not unterstand why the graduate student who witnessed the assault did not intervene.

I'm sorry, but if I see a man anally raping a child, I'm going to physically stop the act and take the child to the hospital. The coroner can mop up what's left.

37 posted on 11/06/2011 6:30:05 AM PST by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)
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To: lodi90

Merely an extension of the homosexual lifestyle. See nambla.org. They marched openly in many “gay” pride parades.


38 posted on 11/06/2011 6:30:35 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Vermont Lt
Campus police are real police.

The Chief of Police on our campus was formerly the Chief of a major U.S. city before he took their early retirement and accepted our job. I am pretty sure all our officers were previously employed by other police departments.

I would have full confidence in them to handle the situation appropriately.

39 posted on 11/06/2011 6:30:42 AM PST by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: comebacknewt

Sorry...I did not read the entire thread before posting. Most schools I work with (I am involved with college athletics in several places.) do not have “real” police. But the state universities do have troopers on campus. My mistake.


40 posted on 11/06/2011 6:31:00 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Never on my watch

...a foundation he established to help at-risk kids.””

Now you know why homos want to preach their deviance in schools and become scout leaders. Look what the infiltration of homos did to the Catholic Church, and the list goes on.


41 posted on 11/06/2011 6:32:24 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Vermont Lt
Just curious, and not passing judgement. But why wouldn’t you call the real police? After all of the stories we hear about cover ups of this stuff, would you trust the “internal” process.

To Hell with that. I am passing judgement. The police should have been called. How many children did Sandusky rape after this particular incident? How many children could have been spared his predations if someone had possessed the stones to do the right thing??

42 posted on 11/06/2011 6:32:32 AM PST by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)
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To: markomalley

Something else I’m wondering: Considering the number of parents who kept quiet, I’m wondering if any money changed hands to buy their silence and if so, where the money came from.


43 posted on 11/06/2011 6:32:50 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: comebacknewt

Nobody reported the 2002 rape to campus PD. It was all administrative. The 1998 incident was reported to campus police, they investigated and Paterno asked him to retire(at 55)because of it. So clearly everyone in the PSU Administration from JoePa on up knew this guy was assaulting kids over a multi year period. And all they did was CYA.


44 posted on 11/06/2011 6:36:37 AM PST by lodi90
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To: markomalley

“The second mile” is from an apparently famous Dorothy Day quote, markomalley.


45 posted on 11/06/2011 6:37:00 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Vermont Lt
The PA state statute relating to the campus police....

State StatutesPowers and DutiesFrom Section 2416.1 of the Administrative Code of 1929 (Act 57 of 1997) and Section 2416.1 Campus Police Powers and Duties

Note to the PA state legislture: Revisit your legislation. There should be no debate over what constitutes a proper authority.

46 posted on 11/06/2011 6:39:54 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: mewzilla
PA Code on suspected child abuse mandated reporting requirements
47 posted on 11/06/2011 6:48:13 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: mewzilla
And speaking of Gricar, from the Centre Daily Times.....

Gricar had final say in ending inquiry

48 posted on 11/06/2011 6:51:17 AM PST by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
“The second mile” is from an apparently famous Dorothy Day quote, markomalley.

Actually, it's a paraphrase of a Biblical quote.

Matt 5:41 (RSV) and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.

This article talks about how the charity was formed.

49 posted on 11/06/2011 6:53:59 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
Because if I see a guy literally raping a child I'm going to call the police" to report a mysterious death.

Corrected it for you.

50 posted on 11/06/2011 6:59:33 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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