Posted on 11/08/2011 6:30:59 AM PST by martosko
Monday’s Gloria Allred-assisted bombshell about Herman Cain is inspiring a wide range of reactions from all corners of the American political landscape. Liberals are occupying the narrow dynamic range between we-told-you-so and general Schaddenfreude. But conservatives’ positions seem decidedly mixed. This shouldn’t be so.
Everything should have changed Monday for future Republican primary voters, even for die-hard riders of the Cain Train.
What was previously a smattering of anonymous sexual harassment accusations has now become a very specific allegation of sexual assault. And what had suggested a tenuous analogy to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas now evokes a firm President Clinton déjà vu.
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This was Billy Graham's standard for staff in his ministry. It is very, very good advice to follow.
I realize standards for a Christian ministry are not always possible in business unless you're the boss — sometimes two staff members are going to be assigned to work long hours together on a project and if a man refuses to spend time with an attractive female colleague he may even get disciplined for “gender discrimination” when all he wanted to do was avoid false accusations.
However, avoiding appearance of evil and avoiding temptation is a very good idea.
And if Allred was defending a woman making these accusations against obama I'm sure you'd be saying the same thing right?
If you don't drink the Cain Kool-aid, you will be attacked, villified and labeled as a RINO or a troll--simply for asking questions.
Ain't that the truth.
Allred has no credibility whatsoever; so, yes.
And I'm sure you would be defending obama vigorously and claiming the women making accusations are liars. Allred is the best lawyer for this type of accusation. She knows how to handle the press and gets her point across. Not too many male lawyers want to go up against her.
No, that was Monica.
I see you are a great admirer of Allred. Where exactly was she when Kathleen Willey came forward? Juanita Broderick? Paula Jones?
Sorry, Allred is a leftist feminist Democrat. She doesn’t defend wronged conservative women. She defends women by whom she hopes to get richer [a la Tiger Woods’ women] or women who will hurt conservatives and help Dems.
But you are defending her. Hmmmm.
Supposedly, we now have a name for one of those “anonymous” complainants.
I agree, but there are a lot of koolaid drinkers on here who think it’s ok if Cain does it, but not ok when Clinton and other Democrats did it.
Such charges being brought against Obama with Allred holding a press conference would only happen on Bizarro world or your imagination. Your hypothetical example is worthless.
I don’t think it would be okay if Cain did it. I just think it’s amazing how many conservatives are willing to believe anonymous sources that refuse even to specify the charges, and who believe this woman whose story Mark Levin, for one, kicked wide open holes in (last evening). If a credible accuser came forward with believable charges it would matter to me. If you find this, frankly, unhinged looking/sounding woman with the hinky background, credible, then you and I have antipodal definitions of that word.
I’m not an admirer of Allred nor am I defending her, I’m saying that if a woman is in this predicament she goes with the lawyer best qualified to defend her. As for Willey et al, perhaps they didn’t request her services.
Name one conservative woman Allred has ever defended. Name one case she’s ever taken where her client hurt a Dem.
I don't think I really disagree with you.
The problem is that when just as most criminals get away with most of their crimes until they get used to not getting caught and start making mistakes, serial sexual predators routinely have many victims who never come forward, and some people who don't even see themselves as victims (i.e., they slept with the boss, got the promotion they wanted, and both are happy).
It's also a simple fact of sex abuse cases that smart abusers pick weak women who won't be believed.
Getting to the bottom of these accusations takes time. If we're going to have people being elected president with very minimal prior experience in public office — a very bad precedent set by President Obama — then we're going to have to get used to the idea that lots of accusations will come up in the campaign which have never been adequately evaluated, and which may come up so late that they **CAN'T** be conclusively proved right or wrong.
We're stuck with this situation now. For better or for worse, the Republican field is now set in concrete and we don't have any other candidates out there — and Cain is looking like one of the better choices if he puts these accusations behind him. Maybe we can learn for the next race that there are serious consequences to having people run for top office who haven't been subjected to long and detailed scrutiny while serving in city, county, and state government, or in Congress.
If there was any truth to these accusations and if Cain had been Governor Cain or Congressman Cain or Senator Cain, we'd have known long ago one way or the other. Now we're stuck with two months to find out, and we should not be in this situation.
Many decent people don’t want to run for office... all we get left are the Slick Willard types because they will say and do anything not to get on the wrong side of the media and the Left.
Many decent people don’t want to run for office... all we get left are the Slick Willard types because they will say and do anything not to get on the wrong side of the media and the Left.
The reality is that any liberal can make any charge they want against a conservative, and the MSM will run with the smear 24/7. A credible accuser can come forward against a Dem and will be first vilified and then ignored. If we don’t stop playing the MSM now we will never again have a decent candidate run on the GOP side. If this smear against Cain succeeds, the MSM double-standard will be codified, and we may as well kiss the GOP good bye.
Well said. This is why these accusations against Cain are actually raising him more money. I think a lot of republicans know that we cannot afford to lose a candidate to baseless smears just because the left/MSM has decided "thus shall it be". I just hope the charges are indeed baseless.
I’ve never hinted that Cain isn’t intelligent. I believe he is -— and very clever, too. His big fail might be that he thought he was too smart and clever to fail.
If he is totally innocent of all the claims, then good for him. Regardless, he cannot win the nomination or win a presidental general election.
As to the charges being baseless, the original Politico article came closest to specifying, when it mentioned a ‘non overtly-sexual gesture’. It really said that. How pathetic can a woman be, to sue for sexual harassment over a non sexual gesture? If Cain were a Dem, the MSM would be attacking the women for racism. I.e.: if a black man makes a non ‘overtly sexual’ gesture, racist women read it as sexual b/c they see all black men as predators.
As to Bialick (sp?), she appears mentally unbalanced, and in desperate need of therapy. I do notice that while Clinton’s accusers were all Dems, Cain’s accusers are all Dems too. One, in fact, works for Obama. [Don’t ask for the cite; I saw it here on FR earlier today, and that’s all I can tell you.] Yet Clinton’s accusers were dismissed by the MSM and Cain’s are accorded unquestioned credibility.
It looks like the MSM finally over-played their sick, biased, partisan, double-standard hand. People, especially primary voters, are on to them at last. If we can hand them their butts on a platter, either the MSM will be finished as a force, or they will perforce be more even-handed in order to survive. Win-win.
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