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Questions on Sandusky Are Wrapped in a 2005 Mystery {Paterno]
NY Times ^ | 11/08/11 | Ken Belson

Posted on 11/08/2011 6:18:10 PM PST by BunnySlippers

One of the questions surrounding the sex-abuse case against Jerry Sandusky is why a former district attorney chose not to prosecute the then-Penn State assistant coach in 1998 after reports surfaced that he had inappropriate interactions with a boy.

The answer is unknowable because of an unsolved mystery: What happened to Ray Gricar, the Centre County, Pa., district attorney?

Gricar went missing in April 2005. The murky circumstances surrounding his disappearance — an abandoned car, a laptop recovered months later in a river without a hard drive, his body was never found — have spawned Web sites, television programs and conspiracy theories. More than six years later, the police still receive tips and reports of sightings.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: childabuse; gricar; homosexualagenda; jerrysandusky; lavendermafia; missingda; pederast; pederastagenda; pederasts; pederasty; pennstate; politicalcorrentess; raygricar; sandusky
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To: Flycatcher

I believe you and the other poster are having a misunderstanding, and you are both on the same side. The other poster was just pointing out the incident that got the current investigation started. The 1998 incident, also a victim’s mothers complaint, was the investigation led by currently missing DA Gricar. In that investigation, the police had Sandusky on tape admitting to the mother his crime. DA Gricar did not prosecute, even thou the evidence seemed solid. We will never know why for sure, we can speculate, since Gricar has disappeared from the Earth, and according to his fellow prosecutors he handled this case close to the vest. They have no idea either. As for Paterno, he is a liar and knew about all these investigations. If one of his players spit on the sidewalk, he would know from the local police. That is the way it is done in these college towns. His true character has been exposed. As of today he is still more concerned that he is coaching a football game on Saturday than with what happened to 20 and climbing victims who’s lives have been ruined for ever.


41 posted on 11/08/2011 9:26:44 PM PST by gusty
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To: Flycatcher

On WFAN today, host Mike Francesa stated that if this happened to Bear Bryant,Bryant would have broke Sandusky’s neck with his own hands.


42 posted on 11/08/2011 9:29:19 PM PST by gusty
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To: gusty; onona
Good post.

Diplomatic too.

I commend you.

And I apologize to you, onona, for not picking up that we're on the same page.

Off to bed now. 'Night!

43 posted on 11/08/2011 9:36:40 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: dead

As for the ex-QB, this guy has no soul. He witnesses the despicable act, makes eye contact with the perp and victim, and then walks away. For all he knew, Sandusky murdered and disposed of the kid an hour later. Then for the next nine years has frequent contact on campus and at practice with the predator like nothing happened. After all this, Sandusky must have believed he could have buggered a nine year old on the fifty yard line and no one would do anything about it.


44 posted on 11/08/2011 9:41:00 PM PST by gusty
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To: BunnySlippers
If I had to guess, I'd say that this homo-predator was being protected by local law enforcement, media, and/or politicians. This DA's disappearance may have nothing whatever to do with this case. However, based on some similar cases involving homo-predators and whistle-blowers in the Catholic Church, offing those who are a threat to them is not unheard of.

I am willing to bet that Sandusky was part of a homo-predator ring in State College. I hope the state investigates the crap out of this case.
45 posted on 11/08/2011 9:46:35 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: Antoninus
You mention homo-predator ring, you might be on to something. Now I might be completely wrong in what I am going to say, and have debated with myself if I should pass the information to the authorities. So here is what I know. I played four years of baseball at another college in Pennsylvania in the early 80’s. My coach my Junior and Senior years was a real weird guy. His best friend on campus was an out of the closet track coach. He would select one guy on the team to get close with, invite him over for dinner that kind of stuff. My brother played there after me, and the coach was doing the same. The players, amongst themselves, would joke that he was having his way with his pet players. We had no evidence besides appearances of course. Now here is the kicker, in the time period late 90’s early 00’s, he was head baseball coach at you guessed it, Penn State. Am I seeing something here or is it just unjust speculation. I would be interested in others opinions . Should I just keep this under my hat, or should I tell the authorities. Unlike the ex-QB I witnessed nothing or heard anything solid from anyone else, but again the guy was weird.
46 posted on 11/08/2011 10:04:30 PM PST by gusty
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To: BunnySlippers

It appears that the Catholic Church has become Satan’s playground and far too many are far too willing to play ball!

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.


47 posted on 11/08/2011 10:08:42 PM PST by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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To: Figment

Maybe, but the DA declined to prosecute in 1998, and then didn’t disappear until 2005.

It took them seven years to bump him off?


48 posted on 11/08/2011 10:16:34 PM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: TheDailyChange
It appears that the Catholic Church has become Satan’s playground and far too many are far too willing to play ball!

Pray tell, what does the Catholic Church have to do with this particular story?

If you read my post above, you'd know that the only way the Catholic Church is linked to this story is that based on our continual weeding out of homosexual predators from the Church, we have learned a lot (too much, frankly) about how they operate.

The difference between the Catholic Church and most other large organizations right now is that we have at least taken strong action against the infiltration of homo-predators and gone a long way toward eliminating them all together. If you don't think this predator/protection racket goes on at institutions you're involved with--particularly if there are homosexuals working there--you'll probably be in for a big shock down the road.
49 posted on 11/08/2011 10:20:08 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: gusty

Your post is rather creepy. If I found the guy to which you refer, then he was an assistant baseball coach at a boarding school. After being a head coach for a major university. Very disturbing.


50 posted on 11/08/2011 10:29:23 PM PST by petitfour
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To: chaosagent

Personally, I thnk the DA succumbed to the guilt of letting PSU pressure him into not pressing charges and offed himself.

As for the Grad Asst, not only did he not call the cops and not leave the program as his father reportedly suggested, he landed a cush job as an assistant coach. He’s the redhead you see prominently on display on the sidelines every game day. Apparently, he’s a great negotiator when it comes to putting a price on his silence.


51 posted on 11/09/2011 3:35:18 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie; All
People underestimate the mindset of loyalty at Penn State.

Back in the 70's when I was an undergrad, my friends who worked the health center told me about the stifling of information regarding campus suicides and rapes. Most campuses covered up negative statistics back then, but at Penn State the protective attitude was incredibly powerful. There were and still are stories of how Paterno had an agreement with the local PD that he would handle disciplinary actions when the football players broke the law. There are also stories that Sue Paterno had disturbing DUI violations were covered up.

The love - and therefore the donations, endowments and image marketing - for PSU runs so deep in fans and alumni that preserving the image became an acceptable part of the loyalty package.

Let me just add,

Those of us who love Penn State and Joe Paterno are deeply affected and emotionally racked by the recent developments, the way any of you would be crushed by the same allegations against a family member.

The trouble with EVIL is that it can advance its cause by occasionally performing GOOD....the trouble with GOOD is that it can do no EVIL, or it immediately loses the value of its cause.

52 posted on 11/09/2011 6:36:44 AM PST by LoveUSA (You don't notice the night light until it gets dark.)
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To: LoveUSA

I’m a PSU alum myself. I don’t doubt the football uber alles mentality one bit, nor is that obviously limited to Penn State. Stories abound at all schools, and are usually met with with shrugs of “Hey, it’s just football”. It’s a billion dollar industry after all. Well, now we see that what that mentality can lead to. The whole thing was business as usual. Protect the program at all costs. I guess nobody realized how high the costs could get. The whole thing is shameful. Everybody from the McQueary on up to Spanier should be fired. Fired, not given the chance to resign. I saw Paterno on the news last night greeting the idjits who rallied at his house in support. The man clearly does NOT get it, and never will.


53 posted on 11/09/2011 6:45:30 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Figment

No I wasn’t meaning Paterno. I didn’t word it right....sorry. :-) My question was pertaining the assistant coach having possible ties to the mob due to child pornography and a ‘pedo ring’. It will be interesting to see the facts as things come out in the wash.

I have family up in PA and a niece and nephew who are graduates of Penn State. Sis’ says all of this is really ‘rocking their world’ up there. Incredibly sad. :-(


54 posted on 11/09/2011 7:20:18 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: BunnySlippers

I remember seeing a story on one of the cable channels about Gricar.


55 posted on 11/09/2011 7:20:57 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: gusty
On WFAN today, host Mike Francesa stated that if this happened to Bear Bryant,Bryant would have broke Sandusky’s neck with his own hands.

You got that right.

56 posted on 11/09/2011 7:22:28 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

“No I wasn’t meaning Paterno. I didn’t word it right....sorry. :-) My question was pertaining the assistant coach having possible ties to the mob due to child pornography and a ‘pedo ring’.”

You might not have been off the mark if you were including Paterno. The guy doesn’t appear to be the saint he’s been portrayed as. He has to go today, not at the end of the season


57 posted on 11/09/2011 6:50:31 PM PST by Figment
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To: chaosagent

It took them seven years to bump him off?

Ummm .He’s not dead, he faked suicide and vanished. May have nothing to do with this, but looks suspicious


58 posted on 11/09/2011 6:53:19 PM PST by Figment
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To: chaosagent

The DA chose not to prosecute in 1998 in deference to PSU football image


59 posted on 11/09/2011 6:55:13 PM PST by Figment
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To: Figment

It’ certainly does. I’m sure it will ‘come out in the wash’....but we’re talking BIG MONEY involved, here, with an athletic program. There is NO TELLING the rabbit hole that may be uncovered.

Gawd!!!! Those poor kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


60 posted on 11/09/2011 6:56:42 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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