Ohio voters reject restrictions on collective bargaining, AP projects

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[nutmeg]

Mostly in western Ohio, where I live. :)

God bless you and all conservative voters in western Ohio! :-)

Truth be told, lots of those conservatives belong to police anf fire unions (and the UAW, etc). The Ohio GOP overreached when they passed SB5, and made the fatal error of including police and fire unions in the reforms; had they been left out of the changes (like in Wisconsin), this referendum would never have made the ballot.

I just learned this earlier tonight (re: the police and fire unions being included in the reforms) via Charles Krauthammer on Fox News. (I don't know if this was discussed last week... I'm a bit out of the loop - we had a horrific freak snowstorm last week here in Connecticut, we had no power for a full week.)

Ignore the Lefty gloating; these reforms will be back, probably early next year, and will be passed one-by-one, which will make them much harder to repeal. In the meantime, we prepare for battle (and they can look forward to layoffs).

Thank you for this most interesting post, Tony. You've given me hope regarding Ohio voters. Do you have any idea if Ohio will go for Obama in 2012? Unlike my state (The People's Republik of Connecticut), your state is definitely going to be one to watch in 2012...

[nutmeg]

Check out TonyInOhio’s excellent post in #37...

[Nowhere Man]

I think Ohioans are dumber than rocks when it comes to how to vote on these issues. They probably thought a NO vote meant no, it wouldn’t be repealed. The thugs saw to it that the voters were confused. Not to worry, Kasich and company need to rewrite the bill and pass it again - or lay the union parasites off - whichever is easier. (and I’m a Buckeye. The union thugs and liars did their job of lying - now we all will pay the price.

Yeah, I wonder if there was fraud but for now, I'll have to take it at face value and agree with you. Then again, your (and many other) allegations seem spot on, they (Ohioans) prove it by the way they drive. Maybe I'm using too broad a brush, I do apologize to any good Ohioans and Freepers reading this, I'm just upset and blowing off steam but it's a shame that there are the good people in Ohio that have to be burdened by these union thugs, parasites and bootlickers.

[FreeAtlanta]

Shift gears and go after the unions this way... No Forced Dues Rand Paul's project to end on a national level the forced dues collected by Union Thugs. Basically, a National Right to Work! I heard it advertised on Glenn Beck this morning.

[Ron C.]

I heard about 8 hours ago that this would likely fail. So sad...

Now they face job-losses pretty much across the board - I hope.

[Nowhere Man]

“Tom Tancredo may have been right after all about the need for a civics literacy test for voters.”

And a poll tax wouldn’t hurt either.

Agreed and I would add in a basic literacy and math test and most important, must not be on public welfare and able bodied. Exceptions would be those who cannot work due to bonafide health conditions and/or retired, but they must still past the rest of the tests. If one is handicapped, assistance will be given to overcome it but they must still pass the test otherwise.

[fkabuckeyesrule]

You reap what you sow Ohio.

[bigbob]

Everything I’ve read confirms that you’re right. Wisconsin did it the smart way, that’s why the fleebaggers left the state, they knew with police and fire fighters exempted the bill would pass. I hope Ohio regroups and gets this passed next year, as that will still provide most of the benefits while having drained millions from the unions in what will then be for little gain.

[Anti-Bubba182]

If they had exempted Police and Firefighters the law would have had a better chance of not being repealed.

[RockinRight]

Issue 2 is a referendum on Kasich, and the loss is bad news for Ohio, but Issue 3, which was a referendum on Obamacare, and, by extension, Obama, is good news for the nation.

[RockinRight]

Here’s to hoping they blew their whole wad.

[RockinRight]

I do like that Kasich said “there is no money” when he gave his response.

[RockinRight]

SB5 was bad in two ways:

1. It overreached

2. It wasn’t “sold” to the people

Pass the provisions one by one, starting with the ones that have the most popular support. Some of the individual provisions had well over 50% support even though the bill as a whole did not.

[packman]

I like the idea of “No Forced Dues.” Unions would have a difficult time protesting that.

It would expose what is really important to unions—it is not the people in the unions, it is their money. Because with money, comes power. In time, people would not pay their dues and unions would lose money and thus their power.

Right now, we have made it too easy for unions to look like they care about the people...when it is really the union dues they care about.

[eyedigress]

It is not gonna be pretty when the cuts start coming.

[RockinRight]

Why was there no rebuttal? That’s what I don’t get.

[RockinRight]

So, Kasich, who initially wanted to do this the right way (in pieces), and, wanted the language of the poll question to make more sense, was overruled by the RINOs in the legislature, and he’s the one made to look like the bad guy?

I see.

[RockinRight]

I cannot name a SINGLE Facebook friend of mine in Ohio who was a yes vote, well, not among my high school and college classmates anyway.

[TonyInOhio]

Do you have any idea if Ohio will go for Obama in 2012? Unlike my state (The People's Republik of Connecticut), your state is definitely going to be one to watch in 2012...

Thanks for the reply. I'm glad to see you have power. :)

Ohio is always the bellwether - "As Ohio goes, so goes the Nation." I believe Ohio will once again decide a Presidential election, just like 2008.

Obama won here pretty easily in 2008, but he is very unpopular in the state, and I believe he will have a tough time winning here again. Despite tonight's union victory, the Democrat party has serious challenges in organization, and every statewide office is held by a Republican, as are both of the houses of the General Assembly. 2010 was the worst election for Ohio Democrats since the Coolidge Administration, and redistricting means they will have more on their plate in handling contested House seats in 2012.

I'm confident, but it will be close.

[Prokopton]

Must be many voters are too dumb to realize the taxpayers just lost.

That's because voters and taxpayers are no longer one and the same.