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ATF Classifies Pot Scrubbers as Silencers, Makes Possession Illegal
Truth About Guns ^ | 15 NOV 11 | Nick Leghorn

Posted on 11/16/2011 1:13:04 PM PST by DCBryan1

David Codrea published an article today about an interesting letter one law abiding silencer owner received from the ATF. The silencer owner in question owns an AWC .22lr silencer that uses a material made of tangled copper ropes to slow down the expanding gasses, a material not unlike the common Brillo pad or Chore Boy Pot Scrubber. He wanted to know whether it would be legal to replace the worn out material in his legally owned silencer with some pot scrubber material, an act which seems pretty innocuous to the impartial observer. The ATF, on the other hand…

From the ATF’s reply:

“[S]ound/gas absorbing materials manufactured from Chore Boy copper cleaning pads, along with fiberglass insulation, constitute a silencer.

Therefore, it is illegal for an individual to replace deteriorated material within an already- registered suppressor without an approved ATF Form 1, ‘Application to Make and Register a Firearm,’” along with a “$200.00 making tax” and “a ‘no-marking’ variance…since there is no viable area in which to apply a serial number to the sound-absorbing material.”

So if someone wanted to replace the padding in their silencer they’d need to submit two new sets of fingerprint cards, two new photographs, a signature from their local chief law enforcement officer, $200 and a set of newly filled out Form 1 applications and then wait 4 months for a reply. All for an item they already own legally, and at the end of the day they will still have only one NFA item.

But that’s not all. The original letter included a question about the owner of a legally owned silencer having a reserve of such pads. In case, you know, they needed to clean something. According to the ATF that would be considered a “stockpile” and considered an illegal act.

David has the full letter on his site which can be seen here.


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To: DCBryan1

Are they NOW going to outlaw potatos [the "poor man's silencer"] ...

21 posted on 11/16/2011 1:27:20 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: SkyDancer
If you have some rubber stoppers and empty plastic water bottles laying about you are in violation for having silencer manufacturing parts.

Pillows too. We need to consfiscate pillows or arrest anyone caught with one.

22 posted on 11/16/2011 1:27:40 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals vote like clowns walking thru a minefield, oblivious to the consequences.)
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To: 556x45

Maybe...don’t think “sheep”....

Maybe think “part of the show”... or to put it another way, now they have an excuse to say what is and what isn’t legal regarding that issue.

Was that declaration ever part of the NFA34 firearms code, or GCA68 or any other law?

Or was it something that they just happened to need to clarify, and created a convenient excuse to do so??

After Fast & Furious, I put nothing past this regime. Nothing it too low for them to try.


23 posted on 11/16/2011 1:29:27 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: DCBryan1
“[S]ound/gas absorbing materials manufactured from Chore Boy copper cleaning pads, along with fiberglass insulation, constitute a silencer, unless they are for immediate strawman export to Mexico."
24 posted on 11/16/2011 1:29:54 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Tenacious 1

And two-liter coke bottles.


25 posted on 11/16/2011 1:29:57 PM PST by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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To: DCBryan1

So let me get this straight. The ATF won’t let me possess a box of Brillo pads, but the ATF will give the Mexican drug cartels assault weapons?


26 posted on 11/16/2011 1:31:50 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: DCBryan1

I dug more into the story, and found this ATF letter which....are you ready? Which states that a SHOESTRING can be a MACHINE-GUN.

Ya don’t believe it, right? This one was new to me:

http://jpfo.org/images02/shoestring.jpg

Nice, huh? That is the original letter from the ATF.


27 posted on 11/16/2011 1:32:22 PM PST by gaijin
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To: DCBryan1

This is the new trick in town. Just redefine the language to fit existing laws. No fuss, no muss.


28 posted on 11/16/2011 1:32:30 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SkyDancer
If you have some rubber stoppers and empty plastic water bottles laying about you are in violation for having silencer manufacturing parts.

Not to mention baffles in your motorcycle mufflers...

"OMG! It's a double-barreled motorcycle muffler baffle! Run for your lives!"

29 posted on 11/16/2011 1:33:47 PM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: moovova

My dad showed me how to use oven mitts with my Beretta Tomcat .32cal.


30 posted on 11/16/2011 1:35:25 PM PST by SkyDancer ('If you want to learn to love better, you should start with a friend who you hate ")
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To: DCBryan1

Let them prove the material isn’t what came in it.


31 posted on 11/16/2011 1:35:30 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: montyspython
I must resist...

But the real question is...

Resist you "much"?

32 posted on 11/16/2011 1:36:10 PM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: SkyDancer
oven mitts

Clever...and, as yet, still legal.

33 posted on 11/16/2011 1:38:36 PM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: moovova

I am being temp.....ted, must... re...sist...


34 posted on 11/16/2011 1:38:55 PM PST by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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To: DCBryan1

SHUT UP!


35 posted on 11/16/2011 1:39:31 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: DCBryan1
Time to bolt the country, in silence of course :-)


36 posted on 11/16/2011 1:43:04 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: DCBryan1

I’m still waiting for my ATF approval letters for a couple of suppressors. It’s now been the “usual” 4 months. I called the gun shop and they said that the flow of letters from ATF has slowed to a crawl. They’re barely getting any lately... and it’s taking more like 5 months for most of them.

Arrgh.


37 posted on 11/16/2011 1:43:41 PM PST by Ramius (personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: DCBryan1

That’s what he gets for asking permission. He’d have been better off just doing it and keeping his mouth shut. Now he’s awakened the government beast and they are on his scent.


38 posted on 11/16/2011 1:52:39 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Tenacious 1

Exactly! Whats more worrisome is that such a rule doesn’t apply to nfa weapons. Its considered maintenance and for restricted parts one only needs the tax stamp.


39 posted on 11/16/2011 2:00:30 PM PST by 556x45
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To: DCBryan1

Suppressed is Best


40 posted on 11/16/2011 2:08:58 PM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao << >> with a floating, shifting, ever changing)
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