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Scientist: Human Life Begins at Conception, Fertilization
Life News ^ | 11/18/11 | Gerard Nadal, Ph.D.

Posted on 11/18/2011 4:16:38 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: frposty
There are no concrete facts upon which to base a conclusion about the start of life.

Sure, there are. That first cell formed by the fusion of the gametes is the simplest possible form of a new, genetically distinct individual. Be it ever so humble, it's a new life. Of course, many of them never make it to implantation or to full prenatal development or post-natal development or to adulthood for one or another reason, but all of those reasons have this in common: they ended life.
41 posted on 11/19/2011 10:19:28 AM PST by aruanan
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To: wagglebee
In the same way, the early embryo is alive and fully human, though it has not yet executed all human organismal functions.

As was said here many years ago:
Genetically speaking, there is a time before which an individual of a sexually reproducing species does not exist and after which it does, be it ever so humble. From that moment to the moment of its dissolution it passes through definable stages of development and degeneration. Here are some that apply to us: zygote, embryo, fetus, newborn, infant, toddler, child, pre-adolescent, young adult, mature adult, old-aged. Upon this continuum of development place an asterisk where “it” becomes “human” and perhaps another where its humanity ceases as far as the empirical world is concerned. Many would place the asterisks at fertilization and death (death defined as the irreversible disruption of the continuum). I do. It is this creature appearing at fertilization and disappearing at death that is human.

42 posted on 11/19/2011 10:26:20 AM PST by aruanan
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To: frposty
There are no concrete facts upon which to base a conclusion about the start of life.

Except for metabolic functioning like cell division. Or initially; the almost miraculous combining of two cells which individually are incapable of mitosis into one cell that is.

43 posted on 11/19/2011 11:22:58 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: wagglebee

Can an egg or the sperm be dead? Are they not alive? Does not abortion end life, whereas the combination of an egg and wiggly sperm CONTINUE/create a new unique life???


44 posted on 11/19/2011 7:24:56 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: wagglebee

Too bad “LifeNews” and the compromised NRTL “leaders” they shill for act politically as if this isn’t so.


45 posted on 11/19/2011 7:28:47 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Nutritionally, you are what you eat. Politically, you are what you endorse.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Anyone who has ever taken 8th grade biology already knew this.” This is why I was so astonished at the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling. I was 17 at the time and thought it was obviously wrong scientifically and I expected the American people to rise up and demand a Constitutional amendment to protect human life from conception. That didn’t happen.

Regarding the humanity of a fertilized egg, I ask: 1) Is it alive? 2) What species is it? If it is alive and human, killing it is murder. QED

See my essay I wrote in 1977 about abortion on my Free Republic home page.


46 posted on 11/19/2011 8:21:49 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Seek you first the kingdom of God, and all things will be given to you.)
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To: All
Pinged from Terri Dailies


47 posted on 11/20/2011 10:30:54 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: frposty; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
I’m entitled to reach my own conclusion about when a life begins and I conclude that a single fertilized cell is alive only in the sense that it is able add more cells to itself. Much beyond a few cells, though (I can’t say exactly where) it becomes an itty bitty human being whose killing is a sin.

So, is this your way of saying that it's "above your pay grade"?

A sin, yes, but should these killings be unlawful? I’m inclined to say yes because sanctioned abortion (not to mention subsidized abortion) is probably not good for the moral health of the society.

Why don't you say that abortion should be "safe and legal and rare" because that certainly seems to be your attitude.

48 posted on 11/20/2011 10:40:05 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

“is this your way of saying that it’s “above your pay grade?”

We can beat this subject to death like it’s been beaten a thousand times before.

The last few posts are my conclusions at this time. It’s above my pay grade in that I’m not qualified tell others what their conclusions should be.

Abortion should be medically safe. Our government should not make it totally illegal and should not subsidize it. It should be rare.

Next question, please.


49 posted on 11/20/2011 11:52:28 AM PST by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: frposty; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
We can beat this subject to death like it’s been beaten a thousand times before.

53 MILLION babies have been murdered since 1973, there are currently over 3500 babies being murdered EVERY DAY, an INNOCENT AMERICAN BABY IS MURDERED EVERY 24 SECONDS. Given all that, and seeing that FR is a pro-life forum, I am fully prepared to "beat this subject to death" and I don't give a damn what the naysayers think about it.

The last few posts are my conclusions at this time. It’s above my pay grade in that I’m not qualified tell others what their conclusions should be.

So, I assume you are "personally opposed" to abortion, but don't want to tell others not to kill babies?

Abortion should be medically safe. Our government should not make it totally illegal and should not subsidize it. It should be rare.

You sound just like every leftist in America.

Next question, please.

Okay, why aren't you on DU? You clearly have much more in common with them.

50 posted on 11/20/2011 12:09:36 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for the ping!


51 posted on 11/20/2011 12:24:46 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: frposty; Ellzeena; Anvilhead; stonehouse01; Goreknowshowtocheat; Absolutely Nobama; Elendur; ...
Abortion should be medically safe ... It should be rare.
Why rare? If it is safe and legal, why not widespread and profitable? Maybe even in your local drugstores and retail malls. If it is safe and legal, why not?
52 posted on 11/20/2011 12:25:16 PM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: frposty
Abortion should be medically safe.

Abortion is never medically safe. It's not even intended to be. It is intended to leave at least one dead person.

Our government should not make it totally illegal and should not subsidize it. It should be rare.

It's already illegal, and it should never happen in this country under the color of law.

The Supreme Law of the Land:

"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


53 posted on 11/20/2011 12:26:30 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Nutritionally, you are what you eat. Politically, you are what you endorse.)
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To: frposty; Jim Robinson; Lead Moderator
Abortion should be medically
safe
. Our government should not make it totally il-
legal and
should not subsidize it. It should be
rare.

Emphasis mine, but the words are directly from frposty.

54 posted on 11/20/2011 1:02:41 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: frposty
Abortion should be medically safe.

Oy. No medical procedure is medically safe. EVERYTHING has risks to it.

Our government should not make it totally illegal and should not subsidize it. It should be rare.

What other forms of murder and torture do you suggest our government endorse then?

55 posted on 11/20/2011 2:23:01 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: frposty; wagglebee
Abortion should be medically safe.

Our government should not make it totally illegal and should not subsidize it. It should be rare.

And that is EXACTLY the kind of argument that got us into this abortion mess we have today, some 53 million butcherings later.

56 posted on 11/20/2011 2:25:47 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: turfmann
Abortion is evil. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I saw a study not long ago - a month or so that the heart beats far sooner than they thought. Less than a month, so you've got a living, heart beating individual in your belly before you even knew they existed.

That tells me something.

57 posted on 11/20/2011 2:34:51 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: uptoolate
Only God can “breathe” a soul into a body, therefore I contend that there is no such thing as an “unwanted pregnancy”,

Disagree, God makes physics and Biology. Knew a woman who would be the perfect mother, barren. Too many of those unfit druggie types who are able to reproduce.

Perhaps you think God "breathes" a life into a baby when it's born?

58 posted on 11/20/2011 2:39:47 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: ozarkgirl

Every woman is capable of being the mother God wants her to be.


59 posted on 11/20/2011 3:12:07 PM PST by uptoolate (For the record: I have complete assurance that nothing can pluck me from His hand)
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To: ozarkgirl
God makes physics and Biology
Psalm 139:13 For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb

Knew a woman who would be the perfect mother, barren. Too many of those unfit druggie types who are able to reproduce.
Hebrews 11:11 By faith even Sarah herself received ability to conceive, even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised. (God chooses barren, or not barren, based on His will, not our will, or our wisdom, or our abilities, or desires)

Perhaps you think God "breathes" a life into a baby when it's born?
Luke 1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

60 posted on 11/20/2011 3:34:29 PM PST by uptoolate (For the record: I have complete assurance that nothing can pluck me from His hand)
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