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To: vladimir998

As I stated earlier, deeds matter to me. Words and stated policy do not.

Do you disagree with my statement that pornography is not going away?

Do you disagree with my contention that homosexuals would be virtually eliminated from the priesthood if priests could marry?

Do you disagree with my statement that the Church continues to protect child molesters?

None of my statements has been critical of people that follow Catholic teachings. The teachings are fine. Yet, some are trying to turn me into a Catholivc basher because they cannot disagree with my statements.

To be even clearer, the same problems exist in all religions, including the Jewish faith (I’m Jewish), particularly in the Orthodox community.

The difference is that the Catholic Church as an institution exists in a different state than all others because it has a hierarchy unlike the other religions.

I’ve had personal experience through a friend and neighbor that went through hell because of the way the Church treated his son and the priest that molested him, so pardon me if I seem indifferent to whatever it is they say rather than what they do.


53 posted on 11/19/2011 6:18:50 AM PST by sakic
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To: sakic

You wrote:

“As I stated earlier, deeds matter to me. Words and stated policy do not.”

If words don’t matter to you, then stop typing.

“Do you disagree with my statement that pornography is not going away?”

Irrelevant. Whether it is or isn’t going away is in itself irrelevant as to whether or not it is good or should be opposed.

“Do you disagree with my contention that homosexuals would be virtually eliminated from the priesthood if priests could marry?”

Your contention is meaningless in any case. There is no history - EVER - within Christianity of priests marrying. Married men can be ordained. Ordained men do not marry.

“Do you disagree with my statement that the Church continues to protect child molesters?”

Yes, I disagree because no such thing ever happened in the first place. Some bishops did wrong, others did not. The Church never protected child molestors. Some bishops did.

“None of my statements has been critical of people that follow Catholic teachings. The teachings are fine. Yet, some are trying to turn me into a Catholivc basher because they cannot disagree with my statements.”

No, I think the first problem is that you seem to have little or no idea of what you’re talking about. Priests don’t marry. Period. Thus, saying that that should happen is nonsensical. It can’t. It won’t.

“To be even clearer, the same problems exist in all religions, including the Jewish faith (I’m Jewish), particularly in the Orthodox community.”

So, that shoots your “let them marry and everything will be fine” idea. If other religions have the same problems, then a celibate clergy is not the problem.

“The difference is that the Catholic Church as an institution exists in a different state than all others because it has a hierarchy unlike the other religions.”

False. Orthodox Christians also have hierarchy. Again, you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about. Lutherans and Anglicans also have hierarchies.

“I’ve had personal experience through a friend and neighbor that went through hell because of the way the Church treated his son and the priest that molested him, so pardon me if I seem indifferent to whatever it is they say rather than what they do.”

I’ve had personal experience through Freerepublic with people who seem to have had no idea of what they were talking about, so pardon me if I seem indifferent to whatever it is you say since it’s unconnected to reality.


60 posted on 11/19/2011 6:28:44 AM PST by vladimir998 (Public school grads are often too dumb to realize they're dumb)
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To: sakic

Hey dude, maybe you should try to grok Christianity in general better before going all ballistic at the Roman Catholics. Loosening up the rules of priesthood would hardly do squat to push out the homos. Lutherans, who have no qualms about pastoral marriage, haven’t seen significantly less of a proportional pedophilia perversion problem in their ministry. It comes wherever there will be a lot of contact with children. Hard to get a pastoral position that doesn’t have a lot of that, unless you’re ministering at a monastery or old folks home.


63 posted on 11/19/2011 6:35:52 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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