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Egypt's Christians prepare for new political climate (Welcome to Democracy, Islamist style)
MSNBC ^ | 12/1/2011 | MIKE ELKIN / NY Times

Posted on 12/01/2011 3:38:04 AM PST by tobyhill

A young woman with a kerchief on her head lit a candle and prayed Sunday beneath a mosaic of Mary and Jesus at a packed Mass at St. Mark’s Coptic Orthodox Church. Then she picked up a leaflet next to the candle rack from an organization called Shahid, or Witness. It listed emergency phone numbers, e-mail addresses, Facebook and Twitter information should trouble arise at voting stations during parliamentary elections this week.

For those attending Mass at St. Mark’s, in the upper-class district of Maadi in Cairo, the elections represent the beginning of a democratic Egypt but also instill fear of a party coming to power that favors Islamic law.

It is widely expected that the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party will dominate the political landscape. This expectation has already affected the Christian community. Since the Jan. 25 revolution that removed President Hosni Mubarak from power, 100,000 Christian families have emigrated abroad, according to Naguib Gibrael, the Coptic Church’s lawyer.

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1 posted on 12/01/2011 3:38:12 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

God Bless the Egyptian Coptic Christians.


2 posted on 12/01/2011 3:45:41 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: tobyhill

The best thing to do is, LEAVE MUSLIM LANDS. Emigrate as refugees.


3 posted on 12/01/2011 3:49:19 AM PST by Cyclops08
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To: Cyclops08

Sad, but true, it is time for the Christians of the middle east, or for that manner, any Muslim run country to GET OUT.


4 posted on 12/01/2011 3:50:44 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: tobyhill

Arab Spring, with its rise of Islamic Democracy and its massacres of Christians, began in Iraq, under Bush.

It’s not only Democrats who bang their heads against the Law of Unintended Consequences.


5 posted on 12/01/2011 4:08:16 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
The difference in Iraq and Egypt is that in Egypt at least we had a semi-ally but in Iraq we had a full fledged enemy.
6 posted on 12/01/2011 4:17:31 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: tobyhill

I understand that there are differences and in fact if you think about what I posted I am not saying that Obama ran into the Law of Unintended Consequences in Egypt. Obama wants Islamofacists governments all over the Arab world. He is actively promoting the rise of Islamofacism wherever he can.

But Bush didn’t want that. Bush wanted something that he and the neocon fantasy dreamers imaged as “Arab Democracy”.

Well, they got their Arab Democracy in Iraq and they got a whole sh*t-load of Unintended Consequences, didn’t they?

They got a much stronger Iran.
They got an Islamic Republic of Iraq (much more so than under Saddam).
They got the massacre and exodus of Christians in Iraq.

And they got (in my opinion) a template in the Arab world for replacing strong-man governments with Islamofacist Democracies.

And how many lives did we spend on these Unintended Consequences? And how much money?

Again, with Obama it’s not the Law of Unintended Consequences. I only mention the Democrats and the liberals because we are all so fond of pointing out to them in many other cases when they do run into that iron-clad Law.

But with Bush, it clearly was a case of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Bush went into Iraq with the most honorable of motives... and really f*d things up royally.


7 posted on 12/01/2011 4:27:56 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
I love the guy but Bush in some ways... was himself an “unintended consequence”.

LLS

8 posted on 12/01/2011 4:31:03 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: LibLieSlayer

All I’m saying is that when we look at the so-called Arab Spring and when we look at our IslamoCommie _resident and his sickening support of that Arab Spring we should also remember what George Bush said (paraphrasing):

We are going to build a model of Arab Democracy in the region, show the Arabs what can be done and what’s possible, so that they can do it on their own.

And we did that. And they are doing that.

That’s exactly what happened. The Arab Spring began in 2003.


9 posted on 12/01/2011 4:40:10 AM PST by samtheman
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To: LibLieSlayer

Good luck to the Copts. I believe there are about 10 million of them in Egypt. That should make for some degree of resistance to the so-called arab spring.


10 posted on 12/01/2011 4:40:47 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Biggirl

Sad, but true, it is time for the Christians of the middle east, or for that manner, any Muslim run country to GET OUT.

I AM NOT LEAVING AMERICA!!!


11 posted on 12/01/2011 4:46:31 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: tobyhill
ROP = CEK

(Convert,Enslave or Kill)—there is no fourth way if you are a Muslim who does not want to go to Muslim Hell.

12 posted on 12/01/2011 4:55:03 AM PST by Happy Rain ( "Where's the BLUE DRESS? you liberal and RINO scum!")
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To: tobyhill

We need to provide the Muslims with the same religious freedoms that they provide Christians and other religions in Muslim countries.


13 posted on 12/01/2011 4:57:04 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: tobyhill
"Egypt's Christians prepare for new political climate"

"New political climate" - is that what we're calling genocide nowadays?

14 posted on 12/01/2011 5:07:14 AM PST by circlecity
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To: SECURE AMERICA

What I mean is that those Christians come to the USA were they will be SAFE.


15 posted on 12/01/2011 5:20:07 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Happy Rain

Got to remember that more attacks on Christians the Muslims do to, the more likely not only will Christanity grow and spread, but also create new Christian martyr saints in Heaven, the Heaven of the Holy Bible.


16 posted on 12/01/2011 5:22:41 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
God Bless the Egyptian Coptic Christians.

Amen to that...

17 posted on 12/01/2011 5:39:31 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: tobyhill
I was just there in Cairo the 2nd week of November as part of a complete tour of the Holy Land. Our guide in Egypt was a Coptic Christian and he took us to St Marks and several other important churches.

Until that visit I never really understood that there were so many Christians in Egypt and before I would have just said that any there should leave, immigrate. But then seeing first hand not only the great love and devotion they have for our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ really touched my heart. They are living in a place and time where their very life depends every minute of every day on a real and deep dependency on and their faith in the Grace of God.

These churches are not just church buildings that can be relocated by moving it's congregation to another place. They are living history to the Copts and many Christians around the world, Holy places, as they mark the places where Mary, Joseph and the baby Jesus stayed while in hiding in Egypt during the time when Herod demanded the slaughter of all Jewish baby boys under 2 years old. Miracles followed the Holy family throughout their sojourn and word of this was passed down through the generations to be remembered.

And they now point to Isaiah chapter 19, and particularly verses 24-25 (which many Bible commentators believe points to history yet to come) and says:...... In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth. The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.”

Perhaps the radical Muslims dominating Egypt after this so called election is inevitable, never the less, I will continue to pray for my new friends in Egypt and to admire their faith during this tough time for them. and I ask all of you, the FR community to join in prayer for them as well.

18 posted on 12/01/2011 6:01:14 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: Cyclops08

They can’t. Muslims control the UN refugee agencies controlling who gets the visas. They are trapped, and very likely await a fate like that of the Armenians in Turkey, 1915.


19 posted on 12/01/2011 6:09:01 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: samtheman
muslims need a strong man to control them... wherever they have freedom... they eat one another and anyone else that they can.

LLS

20 posted on 12/01/2011 7:30:23 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: hal ogen

Amen!

LLS


21 posted on 12/01/2011 7:32:47 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: LibLieSlayer
muslims need a strong man to control them... wherever they have freedom... they eat one another and anyone else that they can
You are right.

Never did anyone misjudge a religion and a people as badly as GWB misjudged Islam and the Arabs.

22 posted on 12/01/2011 7:39:07 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman

100% dead on! religion of peace my arse! REMEMBER DANIEL PEARL! I will NEVER forget.

LLS


23 posted on 12/01/2011 8:37:45 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: tobyhill

24 posted on 12/01/2011 8:40:35 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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