Posted on 12/04/2011 2:29:55 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
The current point of unquestioned legal person-hood is birth.
There is no legal requirement for insoulation. (to coin a word).
Probably just as well. A lot of politicians likely wouldn't make the cut...
Yes. It begins taking on proportions and similar reasoning that George Castanza converting to Latvian Orthodox.
hey grey, how’s it going?
Come on, you really think I give two hoots about justifying anything? X is the unknown, spurt is a drip under pressure.
So who’s right Newty or Squeeky?
What the heck, the stupes thinking of an abortion wouldn’t ever think about it until they somehow discovered they were PG a month later. Any dummy taking that “morning after” pill is sort of playing Russian Roultett with their own life any way.
So if conception is when tabpole meets the egg or a few hours later, doesn’t make much difference, except to MICHELLE.
Not all stem cells derived from the embryo up to 8 weeks old are pluripotent. It is true that embryos are defined in human embryology as up to 8 weeks old.
However, the cells commonly referred to as embryonic stem cells are usually derived when there are at least 2 cell types in the embryo, the trophoblasts and the inner cell mass. The trophoblasts aren’t pluripotent.
It does appear that they are up to the 8 cell stage or so - so pluripotent in fact that we get identical quadruplets!
He can ask his “very difficult questions” of Lucifer who’s surely waiting for him.
“Your words cheapen the creation of life.”
No it doesn’t...
Even Blackmun didn't do that. A) He couldn't make laws. And B) Even he admitted, in the majority opinion, that if the child is a person OF COURSE they are protected by the explicit provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment.
The folks who are pushing this kind of lawless legislation are in fact worse than Blackmun.
-- Justice Harry A. Blackmun, Roe vs. Wade, 1973"The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a 'person' within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment."
No, I'm not.
Gov. Rick Perry's Rape-Incest-Life-Of-Mother Abortion Exceptions...
Katherine Cesinger, State Press Director, RickPerry.org, Inc., says, re: Governor Rick Perry's position on abortion: "His position has been consistent on this. Gov. Perry is pro-life, with exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother."
And:
Rick Perry: Abortion is a states’ rights issue
"Despite holding personal pro-life beliefs, Texas Gov. Rick Perry categorized abortion as a states’ rights issue today, saying that if Roe v. Wade was overturned, it should be up to the states to decide the legality of the procedure."
She has a virtually unlimited license to determine whether the life of the child is protected. The Federal DOJ enforces this "Constitutional right." using local, State and Federal courts, guns and prisons.
We couldn't have passed even this law without exceptions in 2005. As I've told you before, it's a leaky, small life boat, but it's all we've got. We're making trip after trip, as we swim along side and push as fast and hard as we can.
You achieve no good shooting at us with a rifle while sitting dry on the dock with your freshly pressed shirt, waiting for delivery of your perfect dream boat.
With that 2005 prenatal protection law that defined the individual as beginning at fertilization, we moved closer to this year's sonogram law then the later law prohibiting the appropriation of State tax funds to any entity that pays for abortions even when the money for the abortions come from other taxing authorities like cities, counties and hospital districts, which does not recognize the rape and incest exception.
We will go closer to protecting the right to life of the child and to aborting the mother's "right to choose" whether her child is a person.
Your "scheduler" is still not really doing you any good.
(For others confused about that "scheduler" references, and since EV seems to want to fight several battles on several fronts, since he would take shots at me and Texas' prenatal protection law than talk about the original post, here's the history, from August, 2008:
However, since you want to fight several ethical arguments at once, What about "Thou shalt not bear false witness." I'm still waiting for an apology, btw, for this accusation against me:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2059761/posts?page=337#337
To: EternalVigilance; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; narses; All
To whom? Joe Pogman. After our scheduler talked with Beverly and Davida several times, I put Alan on the phone with Joe. I was sitting right there when Joe told Alan that the board said Alan couldn't speak because he was a candidate.
Lord have mercy!
*I* am Beverly and I never spoke to anyone from Dr. Keyes' campaign other than the man himself. On the day of the Rally, I walked over to him, introduced myself, reminded him where we'd met and told him again that my mother (a Baptist preacher's wife) had always said that he sounded like a Baptist preacher to her.
Davida does not work in the office, she's a Board Member, as am I, along with a judge, several business men and women, and other volunteers. I work part time in my job as a Family Physician in another town, and only go to Austin to testify, lobby and for meetings. I have never have contact with a scheduler for our events.
And you would be wrong: but that figures, since you're just trying to justify your screen name.
See also Tristram Shandy Chapter 2.VIII:
‘Good God!’ cried my uncle Toby, ‘are children brought into the world with a squirt?’
Cheers!
Look jerkoff, it’s clear that medically and scientifically life begins at the moment of conception.
Newt knows this... Every thinking person does. However it does open up a can of worms.
90+ percent of the women in this country over the last 40 some years have taken birth control pills. They abort the child at approximately 2.5% of the time - per month... They didn’t necessarily know this, but it is true none the less.
Do you really want to put this in their face and then ask them to vote for the republican candidate?
Telling someone they are stupid is really not the way to bring them on board.
Newt knows what the real deal is... Every thinking person does, but to distance 80% of the female voters would be stupid politically.
We are winning this battle. The younger generation is coming around...
Be patient.
Get over it.
And the Texas law is still immoral and unconstitutional.
Have you ever been in the position to pass a law or worked for someone who actually got elected and had a chance to pass a law that even saved one life?
As I said before, you just sit there all dry and warm on the dock, shooting at those of us in the water, doing what we can.
When will you get a DOJ, and FBI, a Federal Court system that will do what you want it to.
I don’t really care about your continued determination to make this some sort of personal battle.
Deal with the facts: it is immoral to pass lawless “laws” that, while admitting to the personhood of the child, allow their killing. It is also explicitly unconstitutional.
“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.”
“No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Which part of that is so hard to understand?
It is also barbaric to support the killing of innocent babies because of the crime of their father, as Rick Perry does.
And it is the destruction of the cornerstone principles of our republic to claim, as Perry does, that “states’ rights” supersede the right to live.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men...”
Don’t tell me we’re coming down to Romney. I think Gingrich has jumped the shark. He’s so busy trying to get the “correct” answer that he has no clue about the RIGHT answer.
When enough Christians stop sacrificing God's Law, the natural law, self-evident truth, the first principles of the republic, the supreme stated purposes of our Constitution, and the explicit, imperative requirements of the Constitution and the sacred oath of office on the altar of perceived political expediency.
The thread has moved completely away from whether Gingrich is right or wrong about life beginning at conception.
In the meantime, you berate the efforts of Texas lawmakers and would have me “get over” (per your post #154) your lies about me *and* to sit still for the condemnation from both you and the pro-aborts for working for incremental changes that move closer to where we want to be, that educate while preventing what abortions I can.
The Freepers you harangue should have the opportunity to weigh your credibility, your purist statements against my example in post #151 of your false witness.
Three years ago, when the lies began to spread you could have asked the people being accused.
Instead, you were actively complicit in slandering my name and that of TAL, supposedly because some “scheduler” misled you so blatantly that it was easy to refute.
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