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Gov. Brown “going directly to voters” for tax raise on “high-income earners”
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 12/5/11 | Andrew S. Ross

Posted on 12/05/2011 3:59:27 PM PST by SmithL

From “An Open Letter to the People of California”:

I am filing today an initiative with the Attorney General’s office that would generate nearly $7 billion in dedicated funding to protect education and public safety.

I am going directly to the voters because I don’t want to get bogged down in partisan gridlock as happened this year. The stakes are too high.


(Excerpt) Read more at blog.sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: classenvy; goldenstate; moonbeam; taxandspend; taxtherich
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Full text of the initiative here.
1 posted on 12/05/2011 3:59:41 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

My guess is the dummies say “hell, yes”.


2 posted on 12/05/2011 4:00:53 PM PST by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: SmithL

Well this CA will vote no on this BS and I believe many others will also. The deal is this, he is including a sales tax in the bill. A sales tax can no way be considered a tax on the rich only. I think it will be voted down, but you never know, all the blue butts in the cities will want to vote for it if they think it will put more money in their pockets.


3 posted on 12/05/2011 4:02:52 PM PST by calex59
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To: SmithL
Tyranny of the majority?
4 posted on 12/05/2011 4:03:26 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: SmithL
.....and the movie industry that's still here will all move off to Vancouver.....
5 posted on 12/05/2011 4:03:37 PM PST by libertarian27 (Agenda21: Dept. of Life, Dept. of Liberty and the Dept. of Happiness)
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To: SmithL

Mobocracy at its finest !

LOL, my spell checker wants to replace mobocracy with democracy, maybe on to something.


6 posted on 12/05/2011 4:04:32 PM PST by JMJJR ( Newspeak is the official language of Oceania)
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To: SmithL

I read that there are 118,000 people in California that pay more than half of the California state income tax. Brown and his econnomically illiterate allies assume that all of 118,000 high income taxpayers will stay in California and pay 12% income tax instead of 9% income tax. Brown and the democrats will learn the hard way that 9% of something is better than 12% of nothing.


7 posted on 12/05/2011 4:06:31 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: SmithL

Maryland lost 1/3 of their millionaires after a similar tax. The left promised $100 million windfall from the rich but the state actually lost $100 million because so many rich moved out.


8 posted on 12/05/2011 4:07:30 PM PST by douginthearmy (Still undecided.)
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To: forgotten man

Birds gotta fly.
Fish gotta swim.
Democrats gotta tax.

You cannot change nature.

The sleeper must awaken.


9 posted on 12/05/2011 4:10:09 PM PST by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: SmithL

Start with a 20% entertainer tax on movie actors and producers.


10 posted on 12/05/2011 4:12:39 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: forgotten man
I read that there are 118,000 people in California that pay more than half of the California state income tax.

I call B.S.

Give me proof.

11 posted on 12/05/2011 4:16:06 PM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: ez

hey I like that one!


12 posted on 12/05/2011 4:16:31 PM PST by mriguy67
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To: SmithL

Well, some similar intitiative got shot down here in WA state last year, this is another dumb Moonbeam idea and an old one at that.


13 posted on 12/05/2011 4:17:30 PM PST by Baladas
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To: SmithL

Gee Jerry:

Maybe I should be move to Nevada . Hell I’ll save a boat load on my taxes.


14 posted on 12/05/2011 4:19:13 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SmithL

Gee Jerry:

Maybe I should be move to Nevada . Hell I’ll save a boat load on my taxes.


15 posted on 12/05/2011 4:19:46 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: libertarian27

.....and the movie industry that’s still here will all move off to Vancouver.....


Even the Porn industry is moving out of California and moving to Arizona and Nevada.

When you have lost the Porn Industry, you have lost America


16 posted on 12/05/2011 4:20:09 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: SmithL

Gee Jerry:

Maybe I should be move to Nevada . Hell I’ll save a boat load on my taxes.


17 posted on 12/05/2011 4:20:37 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SmithL

Gee Jerry:

Maybe I should be move to Nevada . Hell I’ll save a boat load on my taxes.


18 posted on 12/05/2011 4:21:09 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SmithL

2% and a 1/2 penny increase in the sales tax?

That’s a lot of money coming out of wallet.


19 posted on 12/05/2011 4:25:06 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SmithL

2% and a 1/2 penny increase in the sales tax?

That’s a lot of money coming out of wallet.


20 posted on 12/05/2011 4:25:38 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SmithL

2% and a 1/2 penny increase in the sales tax?

That’s a lot of money coming out of wallet.


21 posted on 12/05/2011 4:26:33 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SmithL

2% and a 1/2 penny increase in the sales tax?

That’s a lot of money coming out of wallet.


22 posted on 12/05/2011 4:27:05 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SmithL

2% and a 1/2 penny increase in the sales tax?

That’s a lot of money coming out of wallet.


23 posted on 12/05/2011 4:27:55 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SmithL

The California Legislature does not represent the voters? Or does not want to go on record as representing the voters?


24 posted on 12/05/2011 4:28:18 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: SmithL

2% and a 1/2 penny increase in the sales tax?

That’s a lot of money coming out of wallet.


25 posted on 12/05/2011 4:28:26 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ez
Start with a 20% entertainer tax on movie actors and producers.

Finally, a tax I could live with, but bump it to 50% and apply it to all those that receive income from the entertainment industry.

26 posted on 12/05/2011 4:31:58 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: MileHi

Its too late, they are broke Jim...only appearances now...


27 posted on 12/05/2011 4:32:36 PM PST by aces
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To: SmithL

Must take down the Spielburgs, Hanks, Lenos and Sorkins!

Occupy Malibu

Occupy Beverly Hills

Occupy Oprah


28 posted on 12/05/2011 4:32:36 PM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: SmithL

(”Assuming no one moves away...”)


29 posted on 12/05/2011 4:33:27 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: JMJJR
yeah....Mobocracy...Democracy....Bureaucracy.... Hypocrisy

What the hell is this this “Republic” thingy about anyway????????

30 posted on 12/05/2011 4:35:56 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: SmithL

I suppose this means he will have a staged setting of paid yahoos roboting right along with him.


31 posted on 12/05/2011 4:37:25 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Navy Patriot

Finally, a tax I could live with, but bump it to 50% and apply it to all those that receive income from the entertainment industry.


The way to tell when they are ‘REALLY’ serious is when they start taxing wealth not just income. Because when that happens the bottom of the barrel has been reached.


32 posted on 12/05/2011 4:39:15 PM PST by The Working Man (The mantra for BO's reign...."No Child Left a Dime")
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To: douginthearmy

“Maryland lost 1/3 of their millionaires after a similar tax. The left promised $100 million windfall from the rich but the state actually lost $100 million because so many rich moved out”

Exact same thing happened in Oregon - Voted it in - revenue down by 30%


33 posted on 12/05/2011 4:42:56 PM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: SmithL
"Democracies have been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death." James Madison

Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. John Adams: letter to John Taylor, April 15, 1814

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.:Thomas Jefferson


34 posted on 12/05/2011 4:46:26 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: combat_boots
The California Legislature does not represent the voters? Or does not want to go on record as representing the voters?
Yeah, sorta.

It would take a 2/3 majority for the legislature to raise taxes, or put a tax increase before the voters. The Democrats were two votes shy of that 2/3 majority in each house, and no Republicans would vote for more taxes. Some Democrats claimed they could put a tax increase on the ballot with just a simple majority, but the Governor and Most Democrats were unwilling to do that without a bipartisan endorsement.

Moonbeam has now decided that bipartisanship-be-damned, he wants more taxes. So here we go.

35 posted on 12/05/2011 4:46:37 PM PST by SmithL (Proud Tennessee Volunteer)
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To: SmithL

I say let them do it. Until the “people” face the hard cold world of socialism where there is no money, no jobs, no food on the shelves, and no hope, they will not understand how the world works. They need to feel the pain.


36 posted on 12/05/2011 4:51:23 PM PST by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: calex59

Exactly right! What a moron to include the sales tax in the proposition. I too am a Californian who will vote no regardless and agree, absent the sales tax inclusion, this thing would pass way too easy. How is there equal protection under the law when one economic class of citizens can vote to impose a tax on another? This kind of crap blows and needs to stop on 11/12.


37 posted on 12/05/2011 4:51:50 PM PST by DirtyDawg (eat fruit)
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To: arrogantsob
My guess is the dummies say “hell, yes”

If they were home schooled instead of public schooled, they would know that for every 50K you take out of the pockets of the employer, one employee loses his or her job.

Those who vote democrat or rino get what they deserve.

38 posted on 12/05/2011 4:52:39 PM PST by JakeS (This would be a good time to read John chapter three 1-21)
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To: SmithL

I’m in favor of it. Of course, rich liberals will pack their bags and move to a low-tax jurisdiction. Texas and Florida will welcome a lot more high income ex-Californians, thanks to the absence of a state income tax. I hope Jerry Brown sends other states his cream of the crop. It can’t happen soon enough!


39 posted on 12/05/2011 4:52:39 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: calex59

It will pass. Tax millionaires “all for the children.” The slackers and morons in California like that sort of thing. It goes with the water there.


40 posted on 12/05/2011 4:55:14 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SmithL
“A democracy ... can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates (Jerry Brown) promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy ..." ― Alexis de Tocqueville
41 posted on 12/05/2011 5:01:52 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: arrogantsob

Brown tried this before with Prop 1A in 2009 and was shot down decisively. There is a good chance it will fail again.


42 posted on 12/05/2011 5:02:49 PM PST by NathanR
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To: School of Rational Thought
“OCCUPY HOLLYWOOD”

They're all for the 99%ers....

Talk about easy money to further the cause!

The 1st stoned trust baby that figures that out will be the TRUE LEADER of the occupy movement!!!!

The perfect way to “produce” Conservatives!!!!

If I were younger id lead that movement!...........pocket a few 100k and leave early and gracefully when the new leader won the next voice vote,,,,,,,

43 posted on 12/05/2011 5:03:26 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: M-cubed
GAWD!.......I'm thinking like a Capitalist!!!
44 posted on 12/05/2011 5:05:43 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: forgotten man
I'm an Idaho resident, but doing work on a project in San Diego that requires my physical presence. Idaho state income tax is 8%. This year I got a 2% raise after my annual review. The week after that, my company instituted a new policy. If I work 20 days or more inside any state, I have the income earned in that state taxed at the state's rate. In my case, the CA income tax rate is 10%. The upshot is that I got a 2% raise one week and my taxes were increased 2% the following week.

If Brown raises it higher, I'll seriously have to consider whether the lower income I might earn in Idaho is ahead of the higher income in CA less the higher tax. All my "stuff" is at my home in Idaho...less a bed, some clothing and books. I could be on my way home to Idaho and stop earning money taxable by CA overnight.

45 posted on 12/05/2011 5:06:09 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: SmithL
OK there are more people that don't make above a Million dollars a year then people who make above a Million dollars a year. The logic is ‘I will vote for someone else to pay the taxes, just so long as it isn't me.’ so you take the majority of the people, and vote against the minority of the people the majority will win the election every time. Using this same logic. Why not have everybody vote for the Mexicans to pay more taxes. Since they are a minority. Wait hold on here “that is unfair” one might say. Why? You are choosing a group and saying they have to pay more taxes because of (blank). Fill in that blank with race, income, ethnicity, sexual preference, religion, what ever you want. As long as the majority votes for it then the minority has got to go along with it, right? This one group saying ‘another group has to pay more taxes,’ is going to cause a lot of damage in the long run. All taxes should be even for everybody across the board.
46 posted on 12/05/2011 5:30:02 PM PST by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: SmithL

All you rich people in California, come to Texas and spend your money here!


47 posted on 12/05/2011 5:38:38 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SmithL

In otherwords he is spending more money buying off teachers unions. why Not make these tax raises permanant, we can use more jobs in Georgia. And then again the upper 1% in California seems to like taxes why not make them live up to thier own values.


48 posted on 12/05/2011 5:49:11 PM PST by bilhosty (Don' t tax people tax newsprint)
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To: SmithL

Just keep on keeping on California. Tennessee will welcome a few more of your major companies as HQ.


49 posted on 12/05/2011 5:51:39 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress

Illinois is trying to be like Calif with all the higher taxes carp. Only thing is Ill-n_annoyed has no warm beaches, no mountains and the weather is awful.


50 posted on 12/05/2011 6:07:02 PM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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