Cain left with millions after withdrawing from presidential race

Yes but was it Wagyu steak? Did Herman’s dog and bodyman
fly on a different plane? Give me a break!!! They all stay at nice hotels and eat steak.

The post I was responding to originally implied that Cain was this self made wealthy guy. I questioned that premise.

Please point out to me what justified this statement of yours then.

"The cult of Cain is suc a curious thing. He is self made without question, and deserves credit for that. I think people would be surprised if they saw that his net worth is probably not close to what he portrays,..." LINK

This is what I responded to earlier by stating I have never heard him, his staff, or his supporters address his net worth. My having followed him for months, and having never heard his net worth addressed, it made it quite clear to me that you were blowing smoke on that issue.

Then you seemed to have been saying something diametrically opposed to what you're saying here, regarding him being a self-made man. Earlier you said, he was self-made and deserved credit for it, and now you're saying you question the same premise.

You say you have been following Cain for months, so have I. If you go back a few months you will see posts from me where I actually SUPPORTED his candidacy.

Well that's pretty strange, because some of the things you take him to task for are years old, some over a decade. Here is another quote from the same post I clipped from above.

"After he left Pillsbury (Godfathers) he did a couple years running NRA at $250k or so, and then a radio talk show which basically failed." LINK

I changed my mind because of two things. First was the NRA fiasco.

The NRA fiasco as you describe it, was based on his tenure there in the late 1990s. None the less you state that just months ago you were a big Cain supporter. Color me not buying into that claim.

Like I said, the sex did not bother me, the lifestyle he was living at NRA’s expense did.

Nope, sorry, over ten years later you claim you were a Cain supporter. His NRA activities didn't bother you two months ago, but they do now. Your story doesn't hold water.

I have met and even worked for people who live that type of lifestyle on other peoples money (ie corporate CEO’s or in this case POTUS candidate) I have 0 respect for that type of person because the guy we have in the White House is a perfect example of what happens when people with that philosophy gain power.

No, the guy in the White House is a perfect example of what you get with a devout Leftist who is a fellow traveler of Soros, Ayers, Wright, Fahrakan et al. You leave a whole lot out of that equation, something a guy likely to support Cain couldn't have.

The second thing that turned me away from Cain was his utter lack of depth on most issues, especially foreign policy. It reminded me of watching Palin at the debates, furiously trying to remember the talking points someone had tried to squeeze into her head.

I wasn't particularly impressed with Cain's foreign policy depth either. That doesn't mean that over time he couldn't have improved. I didn't attack him on that front, because I wanted to see where he would go from here. We are not blessed with a deep body of people we can draw from this year. Cain does seem to have business savvy and a fairly good grasp on the free market economy vs Obama's fascist leanings.

Your ad hominem attacks on me reveal more about yourself than the issue at hand.

I'm just shocked to see you spin it that way. /s No, your professed support for Cain despite your knowledge of things that took place over a decade ago that you are now using as a reason not to support him, lead me to peg you just about right. You're a fraud.

I have been a FReeper for a decade, but am finding it more and more an intolerant forum of those who would rather blindly follow a person rather than the conservative ideals FR purports to support.

Watching you try to pass off untruths, is not my idea of the ideals FR purports to support.

Cain was out of his depth, his motives totally suspect now that the bimbo eruptions have forced him out of the race, and was woefully unprepared intellectually for the rigors of a campaign for POTUS.

I love the way you pass of what the Left pulled on Cain, as if this was all his fault, and his loss of traction was somehow evidence of not being prepaired.

So far we have no idea if the charges, any of them, against him were true or not. Big corporations often settle cases to maintain their credibility. Why should I or anyone else come to the conclusion that Cain is guilty of any of this? Absent that conclusion, I am not going to trash him for not being able to counter things he could very likely not have done. You can't prove a negative. You can only tell the truth and hope that folks that "supposedly" support you, will have enough common sense to reach reasoned conclusions.

My premise is that you can look just as presidential at the Holiday Inn as you can at the Ritz Carlton. How many times did you see Cain on TV from either hotel? The hotel he stays at is irrelevent to his campaign other than the huge waste of money it was.

Okay ace, let's discuss the possible cost to the campaign. If Cain could have spent $5 million dollars, and instead spent $10 million, what is that in the overall scheme of things related to a run for the presidency where $500 to $700 million dollars would be spent? Say, have you been spending time in parks sleeping in tents lately? Sounds like you're a good candidate for that sort of thing.

Finally, I made no comment on whether GWB was a good POTUS or not, I merely related as FACT that I know his campaign was more conservative with how they spent their cash on hotels during their first campaign for POTUS in 2000.

That and a ten cents won't get you a pack of gum these days. Once again, here you are expressing the mindset of the Occupy America participants. Class envy, judging others, loathing successful people as if they are sinners for political gain, is this what you want to look like to others? Is that an example of the Conservative Ideals FR purports to support?

You seem to have invested too much in Cain. A healthy skepticism of all candidates will help protect you from such profound disappointment you evidently are feeling now that Cain has been exposed and removed himself from the race.

1. Cain supposedly spent too much as director of the NRA over ten years ago. Knowledge of this ended your strong support for him, since two months ago.
2. The NRA settled two harrassment suits involving charges against Cain. Evidently you think his is part of what has been exposed about him, even though it is not proof he did a single thing wrong.
3. You don't like that he tried to loft a radio show and failed. Yes, you have revealed that to us.
4. He stays at nice hotels. Yes, that has now been revealed.
5. He eats at nice restaurants. Yes, that has now been revealed.
6. Several women have stated he done them wrong years ago. Yes those claims have been revealed.
7. One woman says he had an affair with her over 13 years. She has no proof and his wife still supports him. Yes, that has been revealed.

Anotherwords, your support for Cain was so honest and true, that nothing having been proven concerning him, unsubstantiated charges going back over a decade, and spending that didn't seem to bother the organizations he worked for, are cause for you to abandon ship and trash him.

I honestly haven't invested too much in Cain. I will defend anyone against nonsensical charges by someone whose story doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

I think the agenda now is to break the back of the Tea Party entirely. The Establishment knows we are fed up with holding our noses and voting for their choice, but The People cannot be allowed to exercise any power. We must be made to follow like drones.

Of course the dems have a dog in this fight too - fracture the Republican Party - it’s the only way Obama can get elected.

it was the details of how Cain had no problem spending NRA’s cash at high end restaurants, giving his staff large raises

I seemed to have missed those details, could you please provide that information again? Thanks

As a side note, just exactly what is the NRA, what do they do and how is Cain associated with them?

Very good point. I doubt any of the GOP powers that be will catch that.

It is a shame that we have leaders who are so slow to respond to things like this. I swear, it ought to be a rule that all Republican politicians read the stories and comments here on FR in order to sharpen their wits, comebacks,and abilities to sling zingers like the Dems do so quickly. It seems we have a bunch of sleepers in DC.

“Nothing has been proven true about Cain even to this point, and yet the level of attack continues and even escalates.”

And we have to ask ourselves...”Why?”

Why continue attacking this man after he’s dropped out? I can think of a few very good reasons: First, there is a huge effort ongoing in Iowa and the other early states to elect Cain regardless of his official status.

Secondly, Cain is probably the Tea Party candidate with the most supporters. It is imperative to the Elites that the Tea Party be squashed.

Third, Mr. Cain has not stayed on the plantation. This could cause other Blacks to do the same.

Finally, the smears have cast serious doubt on the veracity of the MSM. The public must have confidence in the media if they are to maintain power and control.

I agree with your takes on the possible reasons for it.

I would also submit that in the run-up to November 2012, Cain could be a real threat to the Democrats, as you touched on moving off the plantation and revealing Obama for what he truly is.

IMO, that was the whole driving force behind the movement to get women to come forward. They’re terrified of this guy.

Once blacks do move off the Democrat plantation, they will probably never return in a block as they were in the past.

Cain will touch on the welfare state, and how the Democrats have kept blacks down for over a century.

1. Example of my posts in EARLY OCT about Cain.....Raising Cain and loving it! Romney and the RINO’s who worship him are in for the shock of their lifetime as the GodFather blows by them in the polls and comes out of nowhere to defeat the elite moneyed east coast wing of the Party.

1 posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:45:40 PM by milwguy

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2. Cain’s NRA spending Wash Post....Nov. 3, 2011.......Bloomberg’s Lisa Lerer spoke to former National Restaurant Association employees and reported: “Cain was known for lavish spending, they said, racking up cellphone and travel bills that drew accountants’ attention and angered some board members . . .

“There were few checks on Cain’s travel budget as he traveled to chapters across the country, said one former employee.”

The organization also footed the bill for Cain to live for a time in the luxurious Jefferson Hotel, in downtown Washington, D.C., while Cain’s family remained in Georgia.

Cain LEFT before his 3 year term was up, and although nobody knows the reasons, the spending and two sexual harassment settlements very likely prodded the board to push him out early.

3. October 27, 2011|By James Oliphant

Herman Cain has said he was “po’” before he was poor. But he’s not anymore.

According to recently certified financial disclosure forms, the former pizza chain executive has an estimated net worth of somewhere between $2.9 million and $6.8 million.

4.Cain’s failed talk show was reported by local talker Mark Belling at WISN radio. Cain had a show in Atlanta but the national syndication failed to get off the ground.

5. Cain could have/SHOULD have DEMANDED the NRA release all pertinent documents regarding the two settlements that were made in relation to the women who claimed sexual harassment. Let the people decide afetr seeing the allegations if they had merit. The fact he didn’t speaks volumes. The fact he didn’t is even more pertinent when the last bimbo emerged and Herman said he was paying her for years, his wife did not know the woman at all, and they were just friends. Those statements do not pass the smell test when you are speaking of a THREE time divorcee.

6. Class envy? That is the funniest charge yet you have made. I live in one of the three most republican counties in Wisconsin, the one with the highest per capita income in the state, in one of the wealthiest suburbs in the county, own my own house, and both my wife and I have very nice incomes. Put our two kids through college (one started at Hillsdale btw) and pay more taxes than I care to talk about. I have spent a large part of my career working for/with very wealthy people, flown of private planes

I did ‘occupy Madison’ last winter, but only in support of Gov. Walker at a TeaParty rally (where coincidentally Herman Cain spoke). There were a few thousand of us there on the lawn of the capitol building, while 25,000 or so public union leeches marched around the building chanting for their ‘collective bargaining rights’.

Why you would defend Cain is beyond me. Cain would not defend himself for God’s sake. If his positions were defensible, any PR person could have told him how to get out in front of the situation. His tactic of deny and ignore, then admit to some things but not the sex is pretty pathetic. His wife’s support for him is between the two of them, but I am sure my wife would not be quite so understanding if I knew a gal for 13 years and had been sending her cash to ‘help her’......

“Hilary kept hers too AND said to h@ll with her campaign bills!”

FWIW—————

Politics-PRN-Newser

Hillary Clinton Finishes Paying Off Campaign Debt, Last Check Goes to Mark Penn

By Joe Ciarallo on July 17, 2009 9:16 AM

http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/hillary-clinton-finishes-paying-off-campaign-debt-last-check-goes-to-mark-penn_b1860

Seeing that Cain has aroused the ire of OStinko and his bunch of thugs you can expect the attacks to continue if Cain doesn’t quickly vanish into background.

Now Im hungry for Steak :(

1. Example of my posts in EARLY OCT about Cain.....Raising Cain and loving it! Romney and the RINO’s who worship him are in for the shock of their lifetime as the GodFather blows by them in the polls and comes out of nowhere to defeat the elite moneyed east coast wing of the Party.

1 posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:45:40 PM by milwguy

Not knowing you, I'm left with the task of understanding why you supported Cain, then turned on him. Look where you got this information below.

2. Cain’s NRA spending Wash Post....Nov. 3, 2011.......Bloomberg’s Lisa Lerer spoke to former National Restaurant Association employees and reported: “Cain was known for lavish spending, they said, racking up cellphone and travel bills that drew accountants’ attention and angered some board members . . .

NRA employees... You can find employees of every organization that ever existed, that don't agree with the actions of an upper management figure, and embelish negatives against them. "Drew accountants attention? Angered some board members?" I doubt you could find an executive (or former executive) that didn't have some damning information against them that existed in the public arena these days, whether petty or of merit.

“There were few checks on Cain’s travel budget as he traveled to chapters across the country, said one former employee.”

Once again, this is so petty. "One former employee..."

The organization also footed the bill for Cain to live for a time in the luxurious Jefferson Hotel, in downtown Washington, D.C., while Cain’s family remained in Georgia.

He serves at the corporations will. They agreed to pick up this tab. If they don't find him worthy of these costs, they can replace him.

Cain LEFT before his 3 year term was up, and although nobody knows the reasons, the spending and two sexual harassment settlements very likely prodded the board to push him out early.

That could be true. You have no idea if it is or not, but you are willing to buy into it. It's just as likely that they didn't like the direction he had led the NRA in. He was let go, and no negative reason was made public for it.

3. October 27, 2011|By James Oliphant

Herman Cain has said he was “po’” before he was poor. But he’s not anymore.

According to recently certified financial disclosure forms, the former pizza chain executive has an estimated net worth of somewhere between $2.9 million and $6.8 million.

Boy, Oliphant sure had iron clad access to Cain's personal information didn't he. He estimates Cain's net worth at anywhere from $2.9 million to $6.8 million. That's embarrassingly vague, and yet you bought into it and let it influence you negatively. Why? Any guy that can't tie it down better than this, doesn't have any idea what Cain's net worth is, yet you let this influence you. Oliphant has never been known as a friend of Conservatism, but you bought this hook line and sinker. Once again,... why?

4.Cain’s failed talk show was reported by local talker Mark Belling at WISN radio. Cain had a show in Atlanta but the national syndication failed to get off the ground.

What does this have to do with him being a good candidate for the presidency or not? It's laughable. It's as if he had done something wrong in your eyes. This carries no weight whatsoever with me, postive or negative. It shouldn't with you either. The fact that it does, and you don't understand why it might impress me one way or the other, is quite surprising.

5. Cain could have/SHOULD have DEMANDED the NRA release all pertinent documents regarding the two settlements that were made in relation to the women who claimed sexual harassment. Let the people decide afetr seeing the allegations if they had merit. The fact he didn’t speaks volumes. The fact he didn’t is even more pertinent when the last bimbo emerged and Herman said he was paying her for years, his wife did not know the woman at all, and they were just friends. Those statements do not pass the smell test when you are speaking of a THREE time divorcee.

Corporations operate as the board, leadership, or attorney's advise them to. They operate in the best interest of the corporation. It was not Cain's decision to make.

6. Class envy? That is the funniest charge yet you have made. I live in one of the three most republican counties in Wisconsin, the one with the highest per capita income in the state, in one of the wealthiest suburbs in the county, own my own house, and both my wife and I have very nice incomes. Put our two kids through college (one started at Hillsdale btw) and pay more taxes than I care to talk about. I have spent a large part of my career working for/with very wealthy people, flown of private planes

Despite your protests to the contrary, you still complain about Cain's spending in his capacity at the NRA, and with regard to his campaign. Neither is any of your business. That spending is between him and the corporation he worked for. His spending in his campaign is between him and the government campaign spending oversight concerns. The left couldn't pin anything of a criminal nature on him, so they moved on to this sort of nonsense. You being a devout Conservative bought it.

I did ‘occupy Madison’ last winter, but only in support of Gov. Walker at a TeaParty rally (where coincidentally Herman Cain spoke). There were a few thousand of us there on the lawn of the capitol building, while 25,000 or so public union leeches marched around the building chanting for their ‘collective bargaining rights’.

Why would you mention a big spender like Cain being there? Obviously he was there spending way too much money. /s

Why you would defend Cain is beyond me.

Yep, that becomes quite evident. With all this disgruntled employee and leftist derived information, and how you bought into it lock stock and barrel, I think it's rather transparent how much of a supporter of Cain you were.

Cain would not defend himself for God’s sake.

What then, would you categorize repeatedly saying the charges were not true as?

If his positions were defensible, any PR person could have told him how to get out in front of the situation.

Yes, I guess you think a P.R. person can totally get out front of someone going public and making charges that weren't true, out of the blue. That premise seems rather juvenile to me.

His tactic of deny and ignore, then admit to some things but not the sex is pretty pathetic.

Unless his statements are true, and to this moment, you still don't know they aren't.

His wife’s support for him is between the two of them, but I am sure my wife would not be quite so understanding if I knew a gal for 13 years and had been sending her cash to ‘help her’...

Except that we do not know he knew her for thirteen years. We don't know how much cash he gave her. We don't know how much cash he gave the male person he gave funds to either. I suppose you want us to believe he was undoubtedly a homosexual too. Well, that makes as much sense as anything you want us to buy into here.

You certainly have couched your concerns due to your prior support for Cain. That sure stands out. /s

Okay, did the vendors have to sue or go out of business before this happened? It was an issue for a very long while.

If Cain had a few steak dinners on me, all I have to say is bon appetit.

I’m just peeved that my Cain 2012 bumpersticker arrived today!

“Okay, did the vendors have to sue or go out of business before this happened? It was an issue for a very long while.”

It still seems to be an issue. As I understand it, she has been very active in working to eliminate the debt, at one point even enlisting Obama to help. I’ve seen varying estimates as to what the actual amount was, but double digit millions (at least 30 million} would seem about right. Contrary to what I posted yesterday, which was dated 2009, other articles after that time suggest that the striving for solvency in this matter is still ongoing. I get the feeling that once they got it down to about 2 million, they considered it cleared, but they still have continued the push to settle the whole obligation.

Unless there is some particular restriction against it I would have thought that, considering all of the money Bill takes in from giving speeches and making appearances, this problem would have been a thing of the past by now.

Clinton camp looking for Obama money
Capitol News Company, LLC.By Jonathan Martin | Politico – Thu, Jun 26, 2008

http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-camp-looking-obama-money.html

Clinton hits milestone in trying to clear campaign debt
April 16, 2009|By Robert Yoon CNN Political Research Director

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-04-16/politics/clinton.debt_1_campaign-committee-clinton-s-campaign-hatch-act?_s=PM:POLITICS

Saturday, November 14, 2009
Clinton campaign debt under $1 million

http://hillaryclintonclub.com/newsupdate2/2009/11/clinton-campaign-debt-under-1-million.html

May 13, 2010 9:28 AM
Bill Clinton Raffles Himself to Pay Hillary’s Campaign Debt
By Stephanie Condon

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20004883-503544.html

Dec 06, 2011 USA TODAY
Donors get a piece of Hillary Clinton’s campaign

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/12/hillary-clinton-campaign-debt-convention-dvd/1

Not the Ritz Carlton AND the Four Seasons!!! That is just too much, I say. He should have stayed at the Micro-Budget Suites by Marriott abd eaten Frito Pie every night.