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Ten Years to Greece
Townhall.com ^ | December 7, 2011 | John Stossel

Posted on 12/07/2011 5:00:36 AM PST by Kaslin

America moves steadily toward the cliff.

When Greece blew up, its government debt was 126 percent of gross domestic product. Ours is on track to exceed that in about 10 years.

If we haven’t learned from Greece, might we learn when other countries blow up? That may be about to happen, says Daniel Hannan, author of “The New Road to Serfdom: A Letter of Warning to America.”

Hannan, a British member of the European Parliament, says, “The consequences of the better part of 40 years of reckless borrowing have caught up with us.”

I told him that most Americans don’t notice Europe struggling. I hear people say: “I went to Paris. I went to Rome. Things are OK.”

“Things are OK in the same sense that a house that is massively overmortgaged can still be a nice-looking house. ... But there comes a point when the bills are due, and we’ve reached that point.”

On the surface, things do look good on the other side of the Atlantic. Europeans have shorter workdays and longer vacations than Americans. Many of us would say, “Sounds good.”

“In the short term, it’s lovely. What’s not to like? ... The trouble is you can’t carry on doing that indefinitely. ... In the mid-1970s, Western Europe accounted for more than a third of the world’s economy. Today, it’s about a quarter. And in 2020, it will be 15 percent. That’s the reality of burdening yourself with more taxes, more regulations ... deeply uncompetitive practices.”

Adding to the fiscal burden is the fact that people live longer.

“It’s a good problem to have. ... But, of course, the longer people live, the worse the (worker-to-retiree) ratio grows. ... We introduced the old-age pension in the U.K. almost exactly 100 years ago. ... And in those days, you typically drew your pension for about 18 months. That was the gap between retirement and death. Fortunately, we can all now look forward to much longer periods of life. But, of course, you’ve got to pay for that. ... We are going to have to ask people to make a greater contribution or to retire later, or both.“

People don’t want to hear that. Hannan notes that his fellow Europeans are remarkably selfish when it comes to things they think they’re entitled to. Some understand that cuts must be made, but don’t touch their handouts.

“In France, they call it the ‘droits acquis,’ the acquired rights. ... As the governments try belatedly to ... restore some order, some sanity to their public finances ... people who now feel entitled by right, and who have stopped thinking about where the money comes from ... quite understandably turn around and say: ‘This wasn’t what I expected when I started doing this job. Go and find the money somewhere else.”

But there really isn’t anywhere else.

We Americans feel entitled, too. We work longer and harder than Europeans, but American students say they are entitled to government loans; industries and their friends in politics insist that housing, agriculture, energy and all sorts of other businesses deserve subsidies; and most everyone expects health care to be free, or nearly free. Many politicians tell people that’s all possible, and some promise more.

But that just moves us closer to the cliff.

Why don’t we learn? Because there are problems that must be solved, and politicians act so interested in our welfare that we believe them when they say, “Yes, we can.” But the educated response to “Yes, we can” is “No, they can’t.” Not when “they” means government.

Our government should be a fraction of the size it is now. Its girth is the result of electioneering politicians who promise the moon to gullible voters while using debt to push the costs onto our children and grandchildren.

Politicians can dream of guaranteed incomes and free medical care, but as economist Friedrich Hayek wrote in “The Fatal Conceit”: “The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.”

But saying that government can’t solve our problems is not to say that humanity cannot solve them. When people and markets are left free, we manage to prosper.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: debt; greece; jobs; nationaldebt

1 posted on 12/07/2011 5:00:45 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
If we haven’t learned from Greece...

Conservatives already know and libtards refuse to believe.

2 posted on 12/07/2011 5:05:05 AM PST by CPOSharky (The only thing straight, white, Christian males get is the blame for everything.)
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To: Kaslin

Liberalism- destroying countries one at a time.


3 posted on 12/07/2011 5:06:17 AM PST by petercooper (2012 - Purge more RINO's.)
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To: Kaslin; blam; dennisw; TigerLikesRooster
Don't worry, economic geniuses like Krugman, Geitner and Berhanke are in control.


4 posted on 12/07/2011 5:07:10 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Kaslin
Ten Years to Greece

If Hussein steals the election next year it will be MUCH sooner than 10 years!

5 posted on 12/07/2011 5:09:40 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Kaslin

If Europe is really in such terrible shape why do I have to pay $1.39 for one Euro?


6 posted on 12/07/2011 5:11:33 AM PST by csmusaret (The only borders Obama has closed is a bookstore.)
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To: csmusaret

If Europe is really in such terrible shape why do I have to pay $1.39 for one Euro?

Because of German industry (for now). Try taking German production out of valuations. Look at German bond yields..going negative. The rest are rubbish.


7 posted on 12/07/2011 5:22:01 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp)
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To: Varsity Flight

I think it has more to do with the actual weakness of the dollar than Germany’s fiscal strength.


8 posted on 12/07/2011 5:27:47 AM PST by csmusaret (The only borders Obama has closed is a bookstore.)
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To: csmusaret

The dollar has been weakened everywhere. Your valuation was regarding the current euro price.

Watch what happens if, emphasis on “if”, if Germany drops out. The German people, not necessarily the Merkelites, are the reason German bonds went negative.


9 posted on 12/07/2011 6:28:35 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp)
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To: csmusaret

You don’t. Today’s valuation for the Euro is 1.336 and the USD is nearly at the highest it has been in years, at 78.72.

IMO, the EU problems have given us the gift of a bit more time to prepare for people realizing we have the same sort of crisis here.


10 posted on 12/07/2011 6:38:58 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Kaslin

I’m still wondering what happened to the mid-2010 collapse?


11 posted on 12/07/2011 7:55:46 AM PST by blam
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To: reformedliberal

Kyle Bass says we don’t have that long:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V3kpKzd-Yw

I think he is one of the most prescient financial gurus out there.


12 posted on 12/07/2011 9:52:17 AM PST by darth
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To: Kaslin
If Obozo and his hate America thugs/buddies elect Obozo for one more term, our country will not last 10 more years. Just listen to Obozo's speech of envy and hate this week,when he pretended to be Teddy Roosevelt.


13 posted on 12/07/2011 12:36:00 PM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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